Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim 8)
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Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim 8)
Another win for June Glasspell means she's at 2, can she get the third today?
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
Alt 1st numbers: (100 + (5x3)) x (9-3)
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
Alt of UNLIKE in R13 and hence beater of SUNLIKE.
Too much gambling by Jessamine - would have expected her to win a few.
Too much gambling by Jessamine - would have expected her to win a few.
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
Agreed, although you have to wonder if she had a safe six in the SOAPAGE^ round. She was certainly decent but the invalid words probably cost her the game.Tony Atkins wrote:Alt of UNLIKE in R13 and hence beater of SUNLIKE.
Too much gambling by Jessamine - would have expected her to win a few.
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
Today's should-be-in-the-dictionary-by-now word: ^UNLIKES - 232,000,000 hits on Google. Beats my regular example ^LAGGY (4,400,000 hits) which the OED & ODE still inexplicably overlook.Tony Atkins wrote:Alt of UNLIKE in R13 and hence beater of SUNLIKE.
Good comeback by June, though helped by poor gambles by Jessamine.
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Rating out of 10?Jack Worsley wrote: She was certainly decent
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
What do we think about WORNEST We officially give it as a no, no, although Susie's definition of the rules suggests otherwise............
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Gotta accept it by the rules
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
It's interesting that all monosyllabic adjectives can be extended by adding ER or EST according to the rules. Some of them sound completely ridiculous. I remember that in my sixth game, my opponent had MAINER disallowed which sounds stupid but according to the rules, it should be valid. It wouldn't have scored anyway but there was a mini debate about it afterwards. http://www.c4countdown.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8758 I'm pretty sure the rules haven't changed on comparatives since then which highlights some inconsistency in Susie's judgement. I'm not entirely comfortable on allowing every monosyllabic to be extended in this way so either the next edition of the dictionary needs to be clearer on this or if not, it should be a case of applying common sense. This could cause more problems though.James Robinson wrote:What do we think about WORNEST We officially give it as a no, no, although Susie's definition of the rules suggests otherwise............
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
WORN means damaged and shabby, so obviously something can be more worn than something else. I think the issue here is that normal usage is more/most worn, rather than worner or wornest. Is it the case that adjectives that started life as past participles don't typically take -er or -est? My cuffs are more frayed than yours, they certainly aren't frayeder. But the dictionary and Countdown rules could hardly be clearer. WORNEST is fine.
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
The dictionary says that 1-syllable adjective taking -er and -est are treated as regular and are not shown. I've never seen how this can be interpreted as implying that these forms automatically exist for every 1-syllable adjective. As for the Countdown rule, as far as I know this includes expressions like "rule of thumb", "you’ll get used to what is acceptable and what isn’t", "general rule" and "they are pretty obvious anyway". It could definitely be clearer.David Williams wrote:But the dictionary and Countdown rules could hardly be clearer. WORNEST is fine.
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday July 10th 2013 (Series 69 Prelim
What is the exact wording? In the NODE (a few dictionaries back), it says:Clive Brooker wrote:The dictionary says that 1-syllable adjective taking -er and -est are treated as regular and are not shown. I've never seen how this can be interpreted as implying that these forms automatically exist for every 1-syllable adjective. As for the Countdown rule, as far as I know this includes expressions like "rule of thumb", "you’ll get used to what is acceptable and what isn’t", "general rule" and "they are pretty obvious anyway". It could definitely be clearer.David Williams wrote:But the dictionary and Countdown rules could hardly be clearer. WORNEST is fine.
I think this is ambiguous to be honest.The following forms for comparative and superlative are regarded as regular and not shown in the dictionary:
words of one syllable adding -er and -est, e.g. great -> greater, greatest
But generally speaking, if you think the dictionary has problems, write to them.
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Just regarding er/est comparatives, I have the contestant guidelines in front of me and there's no mention of the subject in 4 pages on ODE usage and interpretation. So there's literally no rule. I'm pisseder and tireder with this than most so I'm gonna get my goldest pen and write a letter on the wornest paper I can find.