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Rhys Benjamin wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:02 pm Well, given I subscribe to the Ben Wilson school of shuffling.
Which begs the question, why would anyone subscribe to an incorrect system?
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L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:42 pm
Rhys Benjamin wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:02 pm Well, given I subscribe to the Ben Wilson school of shuffling.
Which begs the question, why would anyone subscribe to an incorrect system?
But what is the correct system? As far as I know, there's no explicit rules about how Countodwn does it - it's just been noticed that the letters get shuffled face up. But what does that even mean? The way up you shuffle letters shouldn't affect the randomness. It's what you do to change your shuffling while you can see the letters. And what exactly is it that they do? Is it even consistent? I'm pretty sure the TV show has gone through whole periods of "better" and "worse" selections. Should CO-events, Zoomdown, Apterous etc. all change their algorithms on a weekly basis depending on what's come out this week on Countdown?
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Gavin Chipper wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:41 pm
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:42 pm
Rhys Benjamin wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:02 pm Well, given I subscribe to the Ben Wilson school of shuffling.
Which begs the question, why would anyone subscribe to an incorrect system?
But what is the correct system? As far as I know, there's no explicit rules about how Countodwn does it - it's just been noticed that the letters get shuffled face up. But what does that even mean? The way up you shuffle letters shouldn't affect the randomness. It's what you do to change your shuffling while you can see the letters. And what exactly is it that they do? Is it even consistent? I'm pretty sure the TV show has gone through whole periods of "better" and "worse" selections. Should CO-events, Zoomdown, Apterous etc. all change their algorithms on a weekly basis depending on what's come out this week on Countdown?
I don't think the Countdown shuffling is anything systematic, just the expected effect of what happens if you shuffle a pack while looking at it. If you see a clump of Es together, you're likely to reshuffle that bit and not think anything of it, perhaps briefly reasoning that you didn't shuffle it very well or haven't shuffled that bit yet.

I'm reminded of the old story of a maths teacher who sets their pupils a homework task to toss a coin 100 times and write down the resulting sequence of heads and tails. When the pupils hand in their sheets of Hs and Ts, the teacher can tell who actually tossed the coin and who just made up a random-looking sequence. For example, the ones who made it up write few, if any, clumps of four or more Hs or Ts in a row.
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Quick word of advice / criticism:-

The chat after Rd6. Usually the point is to chat to a contestant and find out a little more about them... however one of Paul's standard questions is whether the person watches Countdown... this invariably leads to a lengthy discussion of the dubious merits of Anne Robinson. We have been treated to the "She divides opinion" and "She's not catering to what the public want to hear, in my opinion, just my opinion" etc. lines a couple of times now...

Probably best to swerve away from that particular topic in future chats. That ground is becoming too well worn.
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As regards whether hardcore fans can force 'muggles' to watch ZoomDown with them...
...the key consideration is how smoothly the show goes.

The more it looks and plays like a real TV show (i.e. if it can be at the very least -watchable), the more likely casual fans and non-fans will be prepared to tolerate it on TV whilst their hardcore family member / friend watches it.
From that perspective, I'd encourage ye to take whatever measures are necessary to prioritise the stream being good.

(Now... I believe I put that in the kindest manner possible. Ye can start calling me "Diplomacy McGraw" if ye like.)
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Have ye just had yet ANOTHER cheating controversy?! :shock:
It's becoming par for the course at this stage.

If ye're reinstating all of Eeshan's defeated contestants, surely it is now the perfect opportunity to let Ahmad/James continue his run? Should be Ahmad v Florence, winner plays Luke, winner of that plays Harry/Reg in the first game of the next season...
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