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Gavin Chipper wrote:"ng" as in "song"

James Nguyen wrote:This is correct.

James Nguyen wrote:

Kai Laddiman wrote:It's new-en, isn't it? That's how I pronounce it in my head anyway.

That's how my friends pronounce it too, and it's not too far.

So Ngew-en then?

James Nguyen wrote:

Kai Laddiman wrote:It's new-en, isn't it? That's how I pronounce it in my head anyway.

That's how my friends pronounce it too, and it's not too far.

Matt Morrison wrote:Also, they say "(n)win", I'm fairly sure, as that's how I learnt to say it myself! Unless they've changed pronunciation recently.

Ah you brits will never pronounce it correctly. That's how the foreigners(to Vietnam) pronounce it, because they simply cannot pronounce it like the viets.

Or is it kinda like this (or something)?: New-ng-en (New as in "not old", ng as in the end of the word pong and en as in the start of the word enter - total guess!)

10 is a really awkward number of entrants. I'll have to devise something to make a rounder number of contestants. Perhaps the lowest two scorers in the Duel don't progress to the knockout?

Kai Laddiman wrote:10 is a really awkward number of entrants. I'll have to devise something to make a rounder number of contestants. Perhaps the lowest two scorers in the Duel don't progress to the knockout?

Or see if 1 more can join, and join yourself. 12 is much easier to work with.

Kai Laddiman wrote:10 is a really awkward number of entrants. I'll have to devise something to make a rounder number of contestants. Perhaps the lowest two scorers in the Duel don't progress to the knockout?

Not sure if you did this already, but you might get a few more if you aptomail people from the 17 And Under category on ProRanks.

I've aptomailed most of the active Tots on ProRanks, so hopefully I'll either have 12 entrants for a round robin final or 16 entrants for a straight knockout.

Matt Morrison wrote:

Joe Denniss wrote:Am I too late to sign up for this?

Go for it - you just have to say how you think you'd pronounce it and then let everyone critique your efforts.

I would've said "nwin" but that's only because I watch a lot of poker.

Matt Morrison wrote:Also, they say "(n)win", I'm fairly sure, as that's how I learnt to say it myself! Unless they've changed pronunciation recently.

pretty sure this is right

Milo Mckenzie wrote:

Matt Morrison wrote:Also, they say "(n)win", I'm fairly sure, as that's how I learnt to say it myself! Unless they've changed pronunciation recently.

pretty sure this is right

Pretty sure you searched on the net, but are still wrong. That is the foreign(to Vietnam) way of saying it.

James Nguyen wrote:

Milo Mckenzie wrote:

Matt Morrison wrote:Also, they say "(n)win", I'm fairly sure, as that's how I learnt to say it myself! Unless they've changed pronunciation recently.

pretty sure this is right

Pretty sure you searched on the net, but are still wrong. That is the foreign(to Vietnam) way of saying it.

So what is right?

Honestly, the only way possible to tell you is by voice,

James Nguyen wrote:Honestly, the only way possible to tell you is by voice,

Recording please!

James Nguyen wrote:Honestly, the only way possible to tell you is by voice,

But you could tell us what is wrong!

If you ever find yourself on the show, Jeff should call you something different every time he introduces you.

OK, so there will be a 15-round Duel entry to this tournament on Saturday 30th April. All people wanting to enter this tournament will have to do this Duel.

I still need at least 1 more entrant for this. I haven't had a reply from those I aptomailed annoyingly, so I'm not sure how I'm going to get one more entrant.

I'm on holiday Friday - Monday. Will have to pull out.

Joseph Krol wrote: I'm on holiday Friday - Monday. Will have to pull out.

Sad face Can Sophie still compete?

No. Perhaps Charlie could temporarily bring the tourney owl back in, or failing that you could use a randomizer to work out where we could go. Or I could just accept that I'll have to pull out.

One option would be to make anyone who doesn't play the Duel into the lowest seeds.

Charlie Reams wrote:One option would be to make anyone who doesn't play the Duel into the lowest seeds.

but isnt that just totally unfair?

Soph K wrote:

Charlie Reams wrote:One option would be to make anyone who doesn't play the Duel into the lowest seeds.

but isnt that just totally unfair?

Tbh it is a bit inconvenient for us not to play the duel in fairness.

Joseph Krol wrote:

Soph K wrote:

Charlie Reams wrote:One option would be to make anyone who doesn't play the Duel into the lowest seeds.

but isnt that just totally unfair?

Tbh it is a bit inconvenient for us not to play the duel in fairness.

you talk in complex talk, cant you make your speech simpler? anyway...so does that mean you agree with ME or CHARLIE? if i understnad right, you agree with me...?

Soph K wrote:

Charlie Reams wrote:One option would be to make anyone who doesn't play the Duel into the lowest seeds.

but isnt that just totally unfair?

The alternative is that you get kicked out of the tournament, so I'd say it's pretty fair.

Charlie Reams wrote:

Soph K wrote:

Charlie Reams wrote:One option would be to make anyone who doesn't play the Duel into the lowest seeds.

but isnt that just totally unfair?

The alternative is that you get kicked out of the tournament, so I'd say it's pretty fair.

i dont know what id rather do now tbh...! not do the tournament, or not do the duel and be ranked as the lowest seed... kai, how are the numbers? if i pulled out, would the numbers be easier to work with, or harder? if they'd be easier, i'll pull out (theres loads more tournaments to do) but if it'd be harder then i will probably stay in.

If the Krols don't participate, then we have a good number for a tournament. However, if they do, I need one more person to enter.

Kai Laddiman wrote:If the Krols don't participate, then we have a good number for a tournament. However, if they do, I need one more person to enter.

Amazing news... we can now participate... I think... (thinking about it, apterous hasn't existed for 18 years so the bots are theoretically eligible to play).

Ditch the krols; too much hassle.

Joseph Krol wrote:

Kai Laddiman wrote:If the Krols don't participate, then we have a good number for a tournament. However, if they do, I need one more person to enter.

Amazing news... we can now participate... I think... (thinking about it, apterous hasn't existed for 18 years so the bots are theoretically eligible to play).

That's true! I mean, even though the bots are computers, they aren't 18 years old yet! Most are about 2! So, does that mean we'd have to play bots instead of people or something?

Soph K wrote: That's true! I mean, even though the bots are computers, they aren't 18 years old yet! Most are about 2! So, does that mean we'd have to play bots instead of people or something?

Dunno about that - just as a dog year is reckoned to be about seven human years, wouldn't a computer year be a gazillion human ones (Barring Prune )

Peter Mabey wrote:

Soph K wrote: That's true! I mean, even though the bots are computers, they aren't 18 years old yet! Most are about 2! So, does that mean we'd have to play bots instead of people or something?

Dunno about that - just as a dog year is reckoned to be about seven human years, wouldn't a computer year be a gazillion human ones (Barring Prune )

Mabey

James Nguyen wrote:

Peter Mabey wrote:

Soph K wrote: That's true! I mean, even though the bots are computers, they aren't 18 years old yet! Most are about 2! So, does that mean we'd have to play bots instead of people or something?

Dunno about that - just as a dog year is reckoned to be about seven human years, wouldn't a computer year be a gazillion human ones (Barring Prune )

Mabey

I dunno... Let's see what Kai thinks about it, he is the Organizer after all.
Well, yeah, obviously we wouldn't play Apterous Prune and probably not Apterous Nude (but definitely not Apterous Prune; it'd be unfair then, seeing as Prune incredibley occasionally gets anything).

Soph K wrote: I dunno... Let's see what Kai thinks about it, he is the Organizer after all.
Well, yeah, obviously we wouldn't play Apterous Prune and probably not Apterous Nude (but definitely not Apterous Prune; it'd be unfair then, seeing as Prune incredibley occasionally gets anything).

Playing robots would be pretty boring ...

I'm really not sure what to do. As James says, playing bots would be reasonably boring.

Nah, don't have bots, it takes away from the whole tournament thing.

Don't forget, the entry Duel is today. You have to do it to be in with a chance of winning the amazing tournament! :O

Joseph Krol wrote: I'm on holiday Friday - Monday. Will have to pull out.

Was that meaning THIS Friday-Monday? Cos we aren't going on holiday anymore, are we? So I think we can still take part...can't we?

Kai Laddiman wrote:I still need at least 1 more entrant for this

Are you still needing one more person? You could enter yourself, couldn't you? Or have you done already?

When are we actually starting the games, Kai?

So... today's duel determines Tiny Tots seedings, does it?

Thomas Carey wrote:So... today's duel determines Tiny Tots seedings, does it?

It does indeed.

Kai Laddiman wrote:

Thomas Carey wrote:So... today's duel determines Tiny Tots seedings, does it?

It does indeed.

Cool. 97 any good? (Probably not ).

I have 10 confirmed entrants; Giles Hutchings did the Duel but hasn't entered the tournament, whereas Joe Denniss entered the tournament but didn't do the Duel. I'm waiting for a reply from them, but for now the seeds list is:

1 Kai Laddiman
2 Eoin Monaghan
3 James Nguyen
4 Rob Foster
5 Oliver Garner
6 Joseph Krol
7 Thomas Carey
(8 Giles Hutchings)
9 James Bradley
10 Sophie Krol
11 Rhys Benjamin

Kai Laddiman wrote:I have 10 confirmed entrants; Giles Hutchings did the Duel but hasn't entered the tournament, whereas Joe Denniss entered the tournament but didn't do the Duel. I'm waiting for a reply from them, but for now the seeds list is:

1 Kai Laddiman
2 Eoin Monaghan
3 James Nguyen
4 Rob Foster
5 Oliver Garner
6 Joseph Krol
7 Thomas Carey
(8 Giles Hutchings)
9 James Bradley
10 Sophie Krol
11 Rhys Benjamin

Was it basically a normal Daily Duel (where, if it was a different variant etc. we would've done it because we were going to do it on that day all along) or did you make it, or ...what?

Kai Laddiman wrote:It's new-en, isn't it? That's how I pronounce it in my head anyway.

Kai Laddiman wrote:but for now the seeds list is:

1 Kai Laddiman

Well done.

When are we gonna start this t'ing then?

Rhys Benjamin wrote:When are we gonna start this t'ing then?

I'm going to give Joe the rounds (and 30 seconds to do each) to see where he seeds. Then the top seed ( ) will get a bye and 2nd will play 11th, 3rd will play 10th etc. The 6 remaining will then play 1st vs 6th, 2nd vs 5th and 3rd vs 4th. The final will be a round robin; if no-one wins both games, the winner will be decided on points.

Thanks for your patience everyone

Kai Laddiman wrote:Then the top seed ( ) will get a bye and 2nd will play 11th, 3rd will play 10th etc. The 6 remaining will then play 1st vs 6th, 2nd vs 5th and 3rd vs 4th. The final will be a round robin; if no-one wins both games, the winner will be decided on points.

So basically (because the 2nd seed will probably beat 11th, 3rd will probably beat 10th and 4th will probably beat 9th), 1st (definitely), 2nd (likely), 3rd (probably) and 4th (I presume) seeds will actually have a chance of winning, and maybe not the other seeds? I guess that's not really so unfair, as the lower seeds aren't quite as good as the higher seeds...

Soph K wrote:

Kai Laddiman wrote:Then the top seed ( ) will get a bye and 2nd will play 11th, 3rd will play 10th etc. The 6 remaining will then play 1st vs 6th, 2nd vs 5th and 3rd vs 4th. The final will be a round robin; if no-one wins both games, the winner will be decided on points.

So basically (because the 2nd seed will probably beat 11th, 3rd will probably beat 10th and 4th will probably beat 9th), 1st (definitely), 2nd (likely), 3rd (probably) and 4th (I presume) seeds will actually have a chance of winning, and maybe not the other seeds? I guess that's not really so unfair, as the lower seeds aren't quite as good as the higher seeds...

Yeah but it's the only way the top seeds can both reach the finals.

Soph K wrote:

Kai Laddiman wrote:Then the top seed ( ) will get a bye and 2nd will play 11th, 3rd will play 10th etc. The 6 remaining will then play 1st vs 6th, 2nd vs 5th and 3rd vs 4th. The final will be a round robin; if no-one wins both games, the winner will be decided on points.

So basically (because the 2nd seed will probably beat 11th, 3rd will probably beat 10th and 4th will probably beat 9th), 1st (definitely), 2nd (likely), 3rd (probably) and 4th (I presume) seeds will actually have a chance of winning, and maybe not the other seeds? I guess that's not really so unfair, as the lower seeds aren't quite as good as the higher seeds...

That's the point of seeding.

OK, so as neither Giles nor Joe seem to be up for this, the top 2 seeds will get a bye and the other 8 seeds will play 3rd vs 10th, 4th vs 9th etc. Games will be up soon.

EDIT: Games are up.

Oh great.
I had more of a chance against Eoin.

Rhys Benjamin wrote:Oh great.
I had more of a chance against Eoin.

Oh, I dunno about that, Rhys. I'd say you would have had about the same chance against either of them.

I beat Thomas 2-0, details on the tourney page.

Rhys Benjamin wrote:Oh great.
I had more of a chance against Eoin.

Cheers

1. Can we start playing the games yet or not?
2. Are they normal 15 rounders?
3. So i'm playing rob right?
4. Rob, any particular time that would suit you? I can't do any earlier than 6.25 on weekdays.

Kai,
Me and Rob played 2 games and we had both won 1. We played our 3rd game, which of course was crucial, and just when we were on a crucial conundrum, it crashed. We went back to Apterous then found our 3rd, almost-finished and crucial game hadn't been saved - it wasn't in our challenges. I looked on the table thing and it said Rob Foster | Sophie Krol | Unplayed, so we don't think it's saved our first 2 games either! Do we have to play all the games again or can we maybe just play a conundrum attack against each other - or some kind of standard game with a conundrum at the end - and the last, say, conundrum can replace the crucial one that I told you about on the second line of this post?
Thanks,
Sophie (also on behalf of Rob Foster).

Soph K wrote:I looked on the table thing and it said Rob Foster | Sophie Krol | Unplayed, so we don't think it's saved our first 2 games either!

Urm, they're both in your history. One of them isn't marked as a tournament game, you probably matched each other instead of accepting the tourney game.

Charlie Reams wrote:

Soph K wrote:I looked on the table thing and it said Rob Foster | Sophie Krol | Unplayed, so we don't think it's saved our first 2 games either!

Urm, they're both in your history. One of them isn't marked as a tournament game, you probably matched each other instead of accepting the tourney game.

Oh right, maybe they just take a while to load onto it then. But still. That last game was crucial and so was the conundrum then CRASH and its gone!!

In my opinion, the only fair way out of this is to just replay a single conundrum- if neither of us gets it, Sophie wins 2-1 as she was ahead on points. Not sure if this is an "official" way of conducting the tournament though- if this isn't recognised by the tourney system I'd be happy to replay the last game, although it's not very fair. Any thoughts?

Robert Foster wrote:In my opinion, the only fair way out of this is to just replay a single conundrum- if neither of us gets it, Sophie wins 2-1 as she was ahead on points. Not sure if this is an "official" way of conducting the tournament though- if this isn't recognised by the tourney system I'd be happy to replay the last game, although it's not very fair. Any thoughts?

Yeah...I think it's a good idea personally, but as you said, it won't be official... Let's see what everyone else thinks...and Kai will need to confirm what we should do.