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Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:37 pm**

Paul Howe wrote:Oh and when I challenge Apterous Rex it says in the game browser I was playing Apterous Prime.

Really? When you say the game browser, do you mean the panel that shows current games in progress, or the pages that show a recap of the game?

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:11 pm**

Charlie Reams wrote:
Paul Howe wrote:Oh and when I challenge Apterous Rex it says in the game browser I was playing Apterous Prime.
Really? When you say the game browser, do you mean the panel that shows current games in progress, or the pages that show a recap of the game?

The pages showing the recap, specifically this one

http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=867

was definitely against Apterous Rex. I didn't look at the games in progress panel but all the in game dialog used Apterous Rex, as far as I know it's just the recap page that's mislabelled.

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:15 pm**

Ah, you are correct. Damn database cache. Now fixed.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:26 am**

Not really a bug as such but on the 4th high scoring game down, I clicked on it to read the recap and it said only generous types can read it. I've donated - does that not make me generous?

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:01 am**

Kirk Bevins wrote:Not really a bug as such but on the 4th high scoring game down, I clicked on it to read the recap and it said only generous types can read it. I've donated - does that not make me generous?

Did you remember to log in first? If the problem reoccurs, send me the link to the problematic page itself and I'll look into it.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:00 pm**

It's fine today, it just says no game details.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:24 pm**

The new Goatdown feature is sex on legs but alas has a bug- after picking 6 consonants and 2 vowels, the bot I was playing then picked an S- my understanding of the goatdown rules is that the final pick can't override the maximum vowel/consonant limit like this.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:05 pm**

Ben Wilson wrote:The new Goatdown feature is sex on legs but alas has a bug- after picking 6 consonants and 2 vowels, the bot I was playing then picked an S- my understanding of the goatdown rules is that the final pick can't override the maximum vowel/consonant limit like this.

I did check this against the official rules and they make no mention of the traditional V/C rules, so I figure anything goes. Especially because that's a lot easier to code.

Posted: **Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:30 am**

I'd definitely keep Goatdown like it is, I'd hate to spot a two vowelled 8 that I then couldn't get because of a 6V/3C restriction.

Also, someone (MW? I'm too lazy to look) mentioned open challenges which would be cool if it's easy, then I could just let apterous run in the background, plus I'm really bashful about challenging people

Also cool would be to see statistics of head-to-head matchups, e.g. win-lose records, total points scored broken down into letters-nums-cons, who's my nemesis and who's my gimp, that kind of thing.

One possibly cool and more probably shite idea for a variant is to treat the letters rounds as conundrums: people keep submitting words and the first one to get the max gets a point (0 if noone gets it, maybe 2 if its darrenic).

And I've just realised this isn't the suggestions thread. Sorry.

Posted: **Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:51 am**

Here's an actual bug, or at least undesirable behaviour: my score in the daily duel got announced in aptochat, which I assume you want to keep secret.

Posted: **Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:54 pm**

Bizarre behaviour on the ratings- losing to Stewy in his first ever game dropped my rating from 580 to 356.

Posted: **Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:58 pm**

Ben Wilson wrote:Bizarre behaviour on the ratings- losing to Stewy in his first ever game dropped my rating from 580 to 356.

Unlucky

I think the same thing happened to Kirk when he lost to Matthew Green in one of his first games. IIRC Kirk challenged him again, beat him and had his rating restored to an even higher level, so see if you can do that!

Of course the real lesson here is to never, ever play anyone new.

Posted: **Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:58 pm**

Just had a slightly weird one. The game froze after I'd clicked to start rd 8 but before any letters were selected, so I quit and logged in again, and when resuming we got to play round 8 again. Then, when it got to the conundrum, I head the game finishing noise and I got the button to end the game rather than advance to the conundrum, so I quit without playing a conundrum. When I went to challenge apterous again it still had resume and resign buttons active, so I resumed and the game state was with the conundrum finished and solved by apterous. At no point did I ever see a conundrum window. Then the whole thing froze again when I clicked to finish the game and I had to crtl-alt-del.

Also, my chat is dead. Same problem as before, no welcome message, no messages appear.

Posted: **Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:31 pm**

Just noticed that the above game got recorded twice on the game browser as well:

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=1148

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=1147

Posted: **Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:56 am**

Also, yesterday's Daily Duel is showing 139 as the max, which includes 7 points for the first numbers game, which if you look at my effort, I scored 10 on

(and then the numbers went slightly downhill after that).

Do you still score the same on numbers game on Hyper btw? Seems harsh to get 11 away from a 4-digit total and not score, if that is the case.

Posted: **Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:10 pm**

Paul Howe wrote:Just had a slightly weird one. The game froze after I'd clicked to start rd 8 but before any letters were selected, so I quit and logged in again, and when resuming we got to play round 8 again. Then, when it got to the conundrum, I head the game finishing noise and I got the button to end the game rather than advance to the conundrum, so I quit without playing a conundrum. When I went to challenge apterous again it still had resume and resign buttons active, so I resumed and the game state was with the conundrum finished and solved by apterous. At no point did I ever see a conundrum window. Then the whole thing froze again when I clicked to finish the game and I had to crtl-alt-del.

Also, my chat is dead. Same problem as before, no welcome message, no messages appear.

I think this is fixed now. Would I be right in saying it only ever occurred in Goatdown?

Posted: **Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:32 pm**

Not really a bug as such but when there are more than one conundrum to be solved, the "max" column shouldn't go up by 10 every time, e.g.

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=1259

If we had say 20 conundrums going unsolved, you could have a max of like over 300 which just shouldn't happen. Tiny point really.

Posted: **Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:02 pm**

Kirk Bevins wrote:Not really a bug as such but when there are more than one conundrum to be solved, the "max" column shouldn't go up by 10 every time, e.g.

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=1259

If we had say 20 conundrums going unsolved, you could have a max of like over 300 which just shouldn't happen. Tiny point really.

Hmm. I guess you're kinda right. This is a debate which has never really been solved. I'll think about how to handle it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:44 am**

I can't seem to log in today, unless I've made a typo in my name and password ?

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:31 pm**

Charles - my console disappeared when I got booted when we were playing earlier, but a while after I found this file had appeared on my desktop:

hs_err_pid2488.log wrote:#
# An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment:
#
# EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x6d02f2ca, pid=2488, tid=2608
#
# Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (11.0-b15 mixed mode, sharing windows-x86)
# Problematic frame:
# C [awt.dll+0x2f2ca]
#
# If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
# http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp
# The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code.
# See problematic frame for where to report the bug.
#

--------------- T H R E A D ---------------

Current thread (0x030bb000): JavaThread "AWT-Windows" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2608, stack(0x033f0000,0x03440000)]

siginfo: ExceptionCode=0xc0000005, writing address 0xe2c78740

Registers:
EAX=0x00000002, EBX=0x00000039, ECX=0x00000055, EDX=0x00000003
ESP=0x0343f2a4, EBP=0x06030302, ESI=0xe2c78740, EDI=0x229ccbcc
EIP=0x6d02f2ca, EFLAGS=0x00010202

Top of Stack: (sp=0x0343f2a4)
0x0343f2a4: 0343f37c 00000039 0343f384 00000017
0x0343f2b4: 6d0a540f 067f7f55 00000000 00000039
0x0343f2c4: 00000017 0000031c 0343f300 00000000
0x0343f2d4: 00000000 00000039 030f92d8 00000100
0x0343f2e4: 00000400 e2c78740 0013dd80 00000000
0x0343f2f4: 00000000 00000039 00000017 00000000
0x0343f304: 00000000 00000039 00000017 00000000
0x0343f314: 00000000 00000004 00000400 00000000

Instructions: (pc=0x6d02f2ca)
0x6d02f2ba: 00 0f b6 84 01 e0 d1 0f 6d 0b ea c1 e5 08 0b e8
0x6d02f2ca: 89 2e 83 c7 04 83 c6 04 4b 75 9f 8b 54 24 18 8b

Stack: [0x033f0000,0x03440000], sp=0x0343f2a4, free space=316k
Native frames: (J=compiled Java code, j=interpreted, Vv=VM code, C=native code)
C [awt.dll+0x2f2ca]

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j sun.awt.windows.WToolkit.eventLoop()V+0
j sun.awt.windows.WToolkit.run()V+69
j java.lang.Thread.run()V+11
v ~StubRoutines::call_stub

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=>0x030bb000 JavaThread "AWT-Windows" daemon [_thread_in_native, id=2608, stack(0x033f0000,0x03440000)]
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0x02a7c400 WatcherThread [stack: 0x02d70000,0x02dc0000] [id=1200]

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VM Mutex/Monitor currently owned by a thread: None

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--------------- S Y S T E M ---------------

OS: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2

CPU:total 2 (2 cores per cpu, 1 threads per core) family 6 model 15 stepping 6, cmov, cx8, fxsr, mmx, sse, sse2, sse3, ssse3

Memory: 4k page, physical 2096500k(1100784k free), swap 4034152k(2885064k free)

vm_info: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (11.0-b15) for windows-x86 JRE (1.6.0_10-rc-b28), built on Jul 21 2008 00:52:03 by "java_re" with MS VC++ 7.1

time: Mon Sep 15 12:54:11 2008
elapsed time: 3092 seconds

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:47 pm**

My rating has also dropped to a somewhat disappointing -1

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:55 pm**

Jon Corby wrote:Charles - my console disappeared when I got booted when we were playing earlier, but a while after I found this file had appeared on my desktop:

hs_err_pid2488.log wrote:#
# An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment:
#

... lots clipped

time: Mon Sep 15 12:54:11 2008
elapsed time: 3092 seconds

Could well find links to all of those porn sites in there.

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:22 pm**

Jon Corby wrote:Charles - my console disappeared when I got booted when we were playing earlier, but a while after I found this file had appeared on my desktop:

Jonathan - were you resizing or maximizing the window when the crash occurred, by any chance?

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:02 pm**

Nah, I don't think I would have been doing anything else - I had just selected my awesome 8-letter winner to crush your puny declaration of 4. I saw the outline of the "end of round" dialogue box appear in the top left of my screen (as I occasionally do actually before it repositions itself) but this time everything just hung, and then gradually disappeared.

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:04 pm**

I've had a couple of problems with conundrums vs. bots, first time the box never appeared, the second time I tried to enter the conundrum and it wouldn't let me submit.

Posted: **Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:43 pm**

Played Jono at 5 second Countdown a minute ago and I typed in my word, COPIERS and declared it and then it says "declare your word" and nothing moves on.
Also, chat doesn't work a lot of the time so I have to close my browser completely before logging back in for it to work. Not sure why.

Attempting clock start
Clock started successfully.
Clock ended successfully.
Thread-346 << GameEvent{key=-1696611341577026771,pos=1,o=COPIERS}
ClientReceiveThread: [] [java.net.SocketException: Connection reset]java.net.SocketException: Connection reset
at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(Unknown Source)
at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream$PeekInputStream.peek(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream$BlockDataInputStream.peek(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream$BlockDataInputStream.peekByte(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(Unknown Source)
at net.DirectNetworkLayer.readObject(DirectNetworkLayer.java:128)
at net.client.CXInfoClient$ReceiveThread.run(CXInfoClient.java:58)

Posted: **Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:30 pm**

I've just signed up for this, and the Applet appears to freeze when I open it. I get the message "Logging in to.......please wait...", but that's all I get. Is this a bug, or am I missing something?

Posted: **Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:43 pm**

Forget it, probably my old version of Java.

Posted: **Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:39 pm**

In Hyperconundrums/Hypergoatconundrums, the letters appear too small to be visible- wide ones like Ms and Ws appear as an ellpisis.

Posted: **Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:15 pm**

A couple of times in conundrums when my opponent has buzzed and got it wrong, some of the letters in it are replaced by dots which makes it rather difficult!

Posted: **Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:15 am**

Just noticed another game that appeared twice on the game browser. I think this may have been a game that was abandoned mid round and resumed because Ben got WSOD but I'm not certain.

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=1611
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=1616

Sadly the console output is gone but I think I could dig it up if you really needed it.

Posted: **Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:55 pm**

Paul Howe wrote:
Ben Wilson wrote:Bizarre behaviour on the ratings- losing to Stewy in his first ever game dropped my rating from 580 to 356.
Unlucky

I think the same thing happened to Kirk when he lost to Matthew Green in one of his first games. IIRC Kirk challenged him again, beat him and had his rating restored to an even higher level, so see if you can do that!

Of course the real lesson here is to never, ever play anyone new.

Apterous ratings don't matter that much, do they though? They're (probably) not going to be used for tournaments - well not the main ones like COLin, COBris, COOT, COGST etc.; we're sticking to the cdb ratings for those aren't we?

Posted: **Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:09 am**

Julian Fell wrote:
Apterous ratings don't matter that much, do they though? They're (probably) not going to be used for tournaments - well not the main ones like COLin, COBris, COOT, COGST etc.; we're sticking to the cdb ratings for those aren't we?

I guess it'd be at the discretion of tourney organisers, but I don't see any reason not to use the cdb ratings. You're right that the apterous ratings don't mean a great deal, especially when you can do stuff like steal rating from the good bots on conundrum challenges.

Posted: **Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:16 am**

Yep. Apterous ratings are a quick and dirty guide to the level of your opponent. CDB ratings are more mathematically solid, have a lot more data behind them, and a track record of several years of giving fairly realistic output -- much better suited to tournament seedings. They can happily coexist.

Posted: **Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:42 pm**

I'm currently on the applet, and the chat just isn't working for me at all. I've played a game fine, which has made me notice that the two games I played yesterday aren't taken into account in my record: It says I've got one win from 1 game when I lost twice yesterday. Stee-range.

The error is "Thread 220, Java.io.IO exception: An established connection was aborted by the software in your home machine."

Posted: **Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:46 pm**

Aaand I just logged out and back in, and my record is back to zero again. Is this just what happens with less than five games?

Posted: **Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:14 pm**

Ian Volante wrote:Aaand I just logged out and back in, and my record is back to zero again. Is this just what happens with less than five games?

Err, no. That shouldn't happen. The 2 games you played did get put in the database, but somehow your game count got out of synch. I will fix this. Thanks for letting me know.

Posted: **Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:18 pm**

Cheers, I'll log off for now as I need to go and be (more) useful elsewhere.

Posted: **Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:30 am**

I've just lost connection during a game with the bot, and when I reconnected I seemed to be locked. Unable to continue game, and unable to start a new one.

Having got this far in this post, I went back to Apterous, and this time I was invited to resume the game. However, I was put into a letters round (correct) but only allowed to choose vowels - the request consonant box was missing. After selecting 5 vowels it wouldn't let me do anything.

The only button which appears to be available to me is Resign Game, but when I select this, I'm asked to confirm resignation, but on replying yes, the game doesn't stop.

Error tracker gives the following (got to type it in, as select and copy doesn't seem to be working)

Spectator:[Spectator client] java.io.IOException:An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host
ClientReceiveThread:[]java.net.SocketException:Connection reset
AWT-EventQueue-4:[Failed to resign game]java.net.SocketException:Connection reset by peer:socket write error
{above line 6 times}
AWT-EventQueue-4:[Failed to request games in progress]java.net.SocketException:Connection reset by peer:socket write error
and then the failed to reign game message again, twice

------------------------------------------------

Had another disconnection, then when i came back and logged back in, my game had been successfully terminated, but i was the only person remaining - no bots any more.

With nothing else to do, I decided to accept the Duel challenge. It seemed to be accepted ok, but no game started. Log says I'm playing today's Duel, but I can do nothing. The game's window hasn't opened.

----------------------------------------------------

This time, I decided to reboot. When returning to Apterous, I was put straight back into my game with the bot. {not sure yet what's happened with my game with duel.)

I've just noticed in between rounds, that the main log reports -
Welcome to aptochat Howard. There are 2 other people here. [there was in fact only 1 other person, beside the four bots]
Howard Somerset is playing Apterous Prune. [that comment is correct]
Howard Somerset left the room. [no I didn't. I'm still there, and i'm still listed as an on-line player]

--------------------------------------------------------

I like the new numbers interface, btw. Yet to try it with a timer, though.

Posted: **Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:32 pm**

Gavin Chipper wrote:A couple of times in conundrums when my opponent has buzzed and got it wrong, some of the letters in it are replaced by dots which makes it rather difficult!

Does anyone else get this by the way?

Posted: **Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:58 pm**

I'm stuck in two games against bots at the moment - when I resume, all I can choose is vowels, there's no "consonants" button, so the round can't start. Strange, as all was working fine an hour ago.

Posted: **Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:25 pm**

jimbentley wrote:I'm stuck in two games against bots at the moment - when I resume, all I can choose is vowels, there's no "consonants" button, so the round can't start. Strange, as all was working fine an hour ago.

Try extending the window and the consonant box should appear.

Posted: **Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:41 pm**

Oh yeah. I feel a bit daft now.

Cheers, Kirk!

Posted: **Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:11 pm**

jimbentley wrote:Oh yeah. I feel a bit daft now.

Cheers, Kirk!

Don't feel daft - it wasn't obvious.

Posted: **Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:45 pm**

Kirk Bevins wrote:
jimbentley wrote:I'm stuck in two games against bots at the moment - when I resume, all I can choose is vowels, there's no "consonants" button, so the round can't start. Strange, as all was working fine an hour ago.
Try extending the window and the consonant box should appear.

Just the same thing happened with me last night - referred to in an earlier post. I didn't notice the window being any smaller than usual. But should it happen again, I'll try as you suggested.

Posted: **Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:13 am**

Not a bug as such, more an inadvertent omission by the looks of it. I just had a game of Goatdown with Matt, and in one round he'd picked 2 vowels and 6 consonants - but wasn't forced to pick a vowel as the final letter.

Posted: **Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:10 am**

Dan Vanniasingham wrote:Not a bug as such, more an inadvertent omission by the looks of it. I just had a game of Goatdown with Matt, and in one round he'd picked 2 vowels and 6 consonants - but wasn't forced to pick a vowel as the final letter.

That's been discussed before. It's OK. I chose 6 vowels against Ben Pugh in Goatdown - I think it's within the rules.

Posted: **Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:32 pm**

Oh, ok then. Is the rule "minimum 2 vowels/3 consonants", or can the selection be absolutely any combination?

Posted: **Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:10 pm**

The first 8 are bound by the usual rules. The 9th is free choice.

Posted: **Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:21 pm**

Excellent, thanks you two.

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:08 pm**

This is a small point, and doesn't affect playability.
When you don't make the target on a numbers round, the solver sometimes says "it's impossible" and then goes on to solve it.

Posted: **Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:26 pm**

Julie T wrote:This is a small point, and doesn't affect playability.
When you don't make the target on a numbers round, the solver sometimes says "it's impossible" and then goes on to solve it.

Thanks for the heads up. For some reason I wrote "It's impossible" where I meant "It's possible". I will now sit in the retard cage for 10 minutes.

Posted: **Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:33 pm**

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:A couple of times in conundrums when my opponent has buzzed and got it wrong, some of the letters in it are replaced by dots which makes it rather difficult!
Does anyone else get this by the way?

Anyone? I would have thought that at least one person would have either had this problem or not.

Posted: **Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:36 pm**

Gavin Chipper wrote:Anyone? I would have thought that at least one person would have either had this problem or not.

When did you last experience it? I thought I fixed it last weekend.

Posted: **Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:40 pm**

Charlie Reams wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:Anyone? I would have thought that at least one person would have either had this problem or not.
When did you last experience it? I thought I fixed it last weekend.

Before the weekend actually.

Posted: **Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:25 pm**

Couldn't challenge anybody this evening. Tried challenging Gevin and I clicked the button and it just depressed and did nothing:

Decoded, message: Welcome to aptochat, Kirk. There are 4 other people here.
CX 0: Got event: EV[key=0: Welcome to aptochat, Kirk. There are 4 other people here.]
EVINSERT:Welcome to aptochat, Kirk. There are 4 other people here.
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$ExistingGameResponse@5f3bad
net.MessageToClient$ExistingGameResponse@5f3bad
Existing game vs 3: null
Existing game: null
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerHTML@46fef3
net.MessageToClient$PlayerHTML@46fef3
html for 3: <h2>Kirk Bevins</h2><table><tr> <td>Rating</td> <td>1033 </td> </tr><tr> <td>Record</td> <td>255 wins from 306 games. </td> </tr><tr> <td>Member since</td> <td>2008-07-16 </td> </tr>
AWT-EventQueue-4 << net.MessageToServer$ExistingGameRequest@b37089
AWT-EventQueue-4 << net.MessageToServer$RequestPlayerHTML@a16605
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$ExistingGameResponse@c0a150
net.MessageToClient$ExistingGameResponse@c0a150
Existing game vs 376: null
Existing game: null
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerHTML@9ebcd0
net.MessageToClient$PlayerHTML@9ebcd0
html for 376: <h2>Gevin Chapwell</h2><table><tr> <td>Rating</td> <td>372 </td> </tr><tr> <td>Record</td> <td>12 wins from 15 games. </td> </tr><tr> <td>Member since</td> <td>2008-09-15 </td> </tr>
AWT-EventQueue-4 << net.MessageToServer$ChallengeIssue@d006a7
Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-4" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Lnet/server/classic/Participation;
at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredFields0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.privateGetDeclaredFields(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredField(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.getDeclaredSUID(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.access$700(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass$2.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.<init>(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.lookup(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectOutputStream.writeObject0(Unknown Source)
at java.io.ObjectOutputStream.writeObject(Unknown Source)
at net.DirectNetworkLayer.writeObject(DirectNetworkLayer.java:120)
at net.client.CXInfoClient.sendMessage(CXInfoClient.java:252)
at net.client.CXInfoClient.issueChallenge(CXInfoClient.java:256)
at apterous.ChallengeSet.issuedChallenge(ChallengeSet.java:44)
at applet.frontend.MainPanel.issueChallenge(MainPanel.java:290)
at applet.frontend.MainPanel.issueChallenge(MainPanel.java:285)
at applet.frontend.MainPanel.issueChallenge(MainPanel.java:280)
at applet.frontend.ProfilePanel.issueChallenge(ProfilePanel.java:234)
at applet.frontend.ProfilePanel.issueChallenge(ProfilePanel.java:241)
at applet.frontend.ProfilePanel$1.actionPerformed(ProfilePanel.java:38)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: net.server.classic.Participation
at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
... 45 more

Posted: **Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:52 pm**

Kirk Bevins wrote:Couldn't challenge anybody this evening. Tried challenging Gevin and I clicked the button and it just depressed and did nothing:

5 points for anyone who knows a bit about Java and can figure out what dumb thing I did from that error message...

Posted: **Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:26 pm**

Not a bug as such but the goatdown conundrums when viewed afterwards on game browser appear as 9 letter words. They used to appear as just 8s and we had to guess the 9th. When did this change and why?

Posted: **Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:40 am**

Kirk Bevins wrote:When did this change and why?

This reminded me of an A-level question. I don't know when it changed or why.

Posted: **Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:16 am**

Charlie Reams wrote:
Kirk Bevins wrote:When did this change and why?
This reminded me of an A-level question. I don't know when it changed or why.

And is that how you answered it in the exam?

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