Nothing to do with binary, folks!
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Nothing to do with binary, folks!
Here's a puzzle anyone who's done GCSE maths is equipped to do.
What is the smallest number (apart from 0), consisting entirely of 0's and 1's, that is divisible by 225?
No points will be given for just using a computer to find the answer!
What is the smallest number (apart from 0), consisting entirely of 0's and 1's, that is divisible by 225?
No points will be given for just using a computer to find the answer!
Re: Nothing to do with binary, folks!
Is it 11111111100?
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I'm neither going to confirm or deny answers without at least some explanation as to how you came up with it!
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Piece of piss to work out, surely- 225= 15^2= 3^2 * 5^2, therefore the number has to be divisible by 9 and by 25. The first criterion means its digits must sum to a multiple of 9, and as we're using only 1s and 0s, it must therefore contain 9 1s. It must also be divisble by 25, meaning it must be a multiple of 100- as it can't end -25, -50 or -75. Hence, we get 11 111 111 100.
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225 - 2 + 2 + 5 = 9.
225 and the answer to your problem are both divisible by 9. So if the number is just made up of 1's and 0's, there have to be at least 9 1s. I just stuck 9 1s in a row and put a 0 after them, 1111111110 is not divisible by 225, 11111111100 is so I guessed that that was the answer.
225 and the answer to your problem are both divisible by 9. So if the number is just made up of 1's and 0's, there have to be at least 9 1s. I just stuck 9 1s in a row and put a 0 after them, 1111111110 is not divisible by 225, 11111111100 is so I guessed that that was the answer.
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Nice, very good guys. I've clearly gone from too hard to too easy, next time I shall try and find a happy medium.
Ben, I'd say it was trivial if you've seen this kind of problem before, but might cause a few headaches for those who haven't. I just thought it'd be a nice puzzle for Countdowners because it uses Carol's nines trick!
Ben, I'd say it was trivial if you've seen this kind of problem before, but might cause a few headaches for those who haven't. I just thought it'd be a nice puzzle for Countdowners because it uses Carol's nines trick!
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I'm glad someone knew this answer, I don't think I would've worked out the logic that the number had to be divisible by both 225 and 9 (its so obvious I would've missed it).Paul Howe wrote:Nice, very good guys. I've clearly gone from too hard to too easy, next time I shall try and find a happy medium.
Ben, I'd say it was trivial if you've seen this kind of problem before, but might cause a few headaches for those who haven't. I just thought it'd be a nice puzzle for Countdowners because it uses Carol's nines trick!
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I really like this problem, Paul. Makes a change from some of the other ones you've posted with ridiculous trick answers! This really gets people thinking. I might use it in class one day at school.
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Did you ever do this?Kirk Bevins wrote:I might use it in class one day at school.
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No! I'd forgotten all about it. I'll have to try and remember it.Charlie Reams wrote:Did you ever do this?Kirk Bevins wrote:I might use it in class one day at school.
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Interesting that I got my dad the 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire' for Xmas (I never know what to get him) and I read all the million pound questions, and I could get two right for certain and only guess the rest (or take the money, in the figurative sense). The easy one was 'What number does 10 represent in binary?' which if you know the answer is really easy.
Also I was thinking that the multiple of nine rule works for any numbers system, does it? I.e. for base X it works for multiples of X-1. Amusing this always works for binary, as every number is divisible by 1!
Also I was thinking that the multiple of nine rule works for any numbers system, does it? I.e. for base X it works for multiples of X-1. Amusing this always works for binary, as every number is divisible by 1!
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Indeed. Are you sure it wasn't the 64 pound question?Martin Gardner wrote:Interesting that I got my dad the 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire' for Xmas (I never know what to get him) and I read all the million pound questions, and I could get two right for certain and only guess the rest (or take the money, in the figurative sense). The easy one was 'What number does 10 represent in binary?' which if you know the answer is really easy.
Yeah, that's right.Martin Gardner wrote: Also I was thinking that the multiple of nine rule works for any numbers system, does it? I.e. for base X it works for multiples of X-1. Amusing this always works for binary, as every number is divisible by 1!
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Lolz!Paul Howe wrote:Indeed. Are you sure it wasn't the 64 pound question?
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Because, like, most questions are really hard if you know the answer.Martin Gardner wrote:The easy one was 'What number does 10 represent in binary?' which if you know the answer is really easy.
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Am I being dense, or is it 1050? 1050 / 4 = 225 does it not? :S
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Adam Dexter wrote:Am I being dense, or is it 1050? 1050 / 4 = 225 does it not? :S
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Spot which of the following numbers is not a 0 or a 1:Adam Dexter wrote:Am I being dense, or is it 1050? 1050 / 4 = 225 does it not? :S
1, 0, 5, 0.
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The second 0.Charlie Reams wrote:Spot which of the following numbers is not a 0 or a 1:Adam Dexter wrote:Am I being dense, or is it 1050? 1050 / 4 = 225 does it not? :S
1, 0, 5, 0.
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Ummm...errr...any clues?Charlie Reams wrote:Spot which of the following numbers is not a 0 or a 1:Adam Dexter wrote:Am I being dense, or is it 1050? 1050 / 4 = 225 does it not? :S
1, 0, 5, 0.
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Oh dear.... :$
More to the point... 225 * 4 = 900... :$
More to the point... 225 * 4 = 900... :$
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I've always wanted to proove the multiple-of-nine rule, but I've never been able to do it! Anyone got one? I suppose Google could probably find it pretty quickly...
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As dividing 10 by 9 leaves remainder 1, any digit followed by any number of 0s leaves that digit as remainder on dividing by 9. Write your number as a sum like that, and you're done. (e.g. 486 -> 400+80+6, so remainder is same as that of 4+8+6=18 - obviously 0)
As the sum of digits of a multi-digit number is always less than that number, you can always repeat the process till you end with a single digit which will be 9 only if you had a multiple of 9 to start with.
As the sum of digits of a multi-digit number is always less than that number, you can always repeat the process till you end with a single digit which will be 9 only if you had a multiple of 9 to start with.