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COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:41 pm
by Dinos Sfyris
Countdown recap for Tuesday 24th June 2008. COOT prelim game 2

C1: Howard Somerset a part-time maths tutor from Alsager (forgot where that is!) and hopeful but uncertain future contestant
C2: Rich Priest. A nurse and Series 58 finallist, hoping to go all the way in COOT, seen as Doddy is out of the picture!
DC: Host: Jason Cullen and in the audience: Matthew Green, Matthew Coates, Richard Brittain and Dinos Sfyris.
CV: Spotted by audience.
OT: Other words or solutions.

R01: G S E I N K A V U
R02: R M I T I W E J D
R03: A S I C Y E S A H
R04: L H U R E L I A Z
R05: 1, 1, 5, 6, 7, 75. Target: 165.
TTT: INTEGRATIVE
R06: T E T I B A N R Q
R07: N I T A M N E A R
R08: X D E U T E T G A
R09: C A S R E P U P F
R10: 10, 9, 1, 25, 50, 100. Target: 612.
TTT: BAKERYOO - "A whole load of memories in the flip of a page"
R11: I S E N N E T M T
R12: I A R T G A F E U
R13: I R E N M A S E L
R14: 5, 1, 6, 75, 50, 25. Target: 891.
R15: T H E I R C O P Y (conundrum)

Earlier this week Richard Brittain and Michael Wallace broke in the COOT competition with Richard defeating Michael 103-82. Today we continue with the second instalment of the tournament, that everyone's been describing as one of the many COOT games going on this Summer. Will Howard be able to topple series finallist Rich Priest in order to secure a place in the next round? Or will he be knocked into the plate competition? Only time will tell...

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Round 1: G S E I N K A V U
C1: ASKING (6)
C2: ASKING (6)
DC: GUINEAS (7) (DS)
OT: SINKAGE (7)
Score: 6–6 (max 7)

Round 2: R M I T I W E J D
C1: MITRE (5)
C2: TIMED (5)
DC: TIMIDER (7) TIDIER (6) (both MC)
OT: DIMWIT (6)
Score: 11–11 (max 14)

Round 3: A S I C Y E S A H
C1: CHESS (5)
C2: CHASES (6)
OT: CHAISES (7) CASHES (6) CASSIA (6) CHAISE (6) CHASSE (6) SASHAY (6)
Score: 11–17 (max 21)

Round 4: L H U R E L I A Z
C1: HAULIER (7)
C2: HAULIER (7)
DC: HAULIER (7) all round
OT: nothing better
Score: 18–24 (max 28)

Round 5: 1, 1, 5, 6, 7, 75. Target: 165.
C1: 164. lost it
C2: 166. misdeclared solution (75+5)x(1+1)+5
MC: 165. (75+7)x(1+1)+(6-5) (10)
MG: 165. (75+6+1)x(7-5)+1 (10)
Score: 18–24 (max 38)

Teatime teaser: INTEGRATIVE -> VINAIGRETTE

Round 6: T E T I B A N R Q
C1: BATTIER (7)
C2: NATTIER (7)
OT: BIRETTA (7) BITTERN (7) NITRATE (7) TERTIAN (7)
Score: 25–31 (max 45)

Round 7: N I T A M N E A R
C1: REMNANT (7)
C2: MARINATE (8)
OT: TRAINMAN (8) TRAINMEN (8) (no animater its animator)
Score: 25–39 (max 53)

Round 8: X D E U T E T G A
C1: GUTTED (6)
C2: GUTTED (6)
OT: TEXTED (6) EXUDATE (7) Rich should have got this seen as he's a nurse!
Score: 31–45 (max 60)

Round 9: C A S R E P U P F
C1: SCUPPER (7)
C2: SCUPPER (7)
DC: FRAPPES (7) (DS) SURFACE (7) (MC)
OT: APERCUS (7) CAPPERS (7) PAUPERS (7) SCAUPER (7)
Score: 38–52 (max 67)

Round 10: 10, 9, 1, 25, 50, 100. Target: 612.
C1: 610. 50x10+100+9+1 (7)
C2: 610. 9-(50/25)-1=6x100=600+10 (7)
CV: 612. (25+9)x100/50x(10-1) (JaCu) (10)
Score: 45–59 (max 77)

Teatime teaser: BAKERYOO -> YEARBOOK

Round 11: I S E N N E T M T
C1: TENNIS (6)
C2: SENTIMENT (18)
OT: SENTIENT (8)
Score: 45–77 (max 95)

Round 12: I A R T G A F E U
C1: FATIGUE (7)
C2: FATIGUE (7)
DC: FRIGATE (7) (DS) REFUGIA (RB)
OT: FRUITAGE (8) FIGURAE (7)
Score: 52–84 (max 103)

Round 13: I R E N M A S E L
C1: SEMINAR (7)
C2: MINERALS (8)
OT: MEASLIER (8) EMAILERS (8)
Score: 52–92 (max 111)

Round 14: 5, 1, 6, 75, 50, 25. Target: 891.
C1: 889.(75+50+25-1)x6-5 (7)
C2: 898.
CV: 891. (75x6-5)x50/25+1 (10)
Score: 59–92 (max 121)

Round 15: T H E I R C O P Y
No one buzzes. It goes to the audience and everyone gets the answer: HYPOCRITE.
Score: 59–92 (max 131)

So that concludes a second exciting game of the COOT competition. It had to be said that Richard was the hot favourite going into this game, but Howard certainly did himself justice especially beating Richard in that last numbers round. Both should be big competitors in the quest for the Plate and the main tournament. A big shout out should also go to Jason Cullen who did an excellent job as first time host. Next game Matt vs Matt!

Further summaries are at:
http://www.thecountdowncorral.com/cd/se ... ?series=58

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:43 pm
by JasonCullen
Great recap Dinos :D . I like being the host so I would be more than willing to host your match (providing Heather gets back to you!). Well played to Richard and Howard for putting together an interesting clash with fairly dubious numbers and letters ;)

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:57 pm
by Jon O'Neill
Good game guys! Thanks for the recap and cheers for hosting Jason.

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:36 am
by JasonCullen
No problem Jono :D . Anytime ;)

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:28 pm
by Ross Allatt
Hang on a sec! I've just posted in the Coates v Green match that there were no "O"'s selected in the eleven games, and there's none in the eleven rounds here. Summat's up! Comp name needs to be changed from COOT to CEET or CAAT!

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:30 pm
by Dinos Sfyris
Good point! Jason are you sure there are any Os in the letters you used :!: :?: :!:

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:32 pm
by Jon Corby
dinos_the_chemist wrote:Good point! Jason are you sure there are any Os in the letters you used :!: :?: :!:
Were u using Cuntgen?

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:11 pm
by Julian Fell
No Os selected in the Wallace-Brittain game either :o :shock: :o

It's a conspiracy to deny O-lovers the chance of glory!!

But yes maybe Countgen does need to be checked Paul, if that's what the hosts so far have been using?

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:42 pm
by JasonCullen
Yes I have been using CountGen2 and I'm baffled that no O's have come out in 3 games. There must be a fault with the system but I can assure you it is not a fix. I have nothing against the letter O :lol:

EDIT - I have just randomly clicked all the 40 vowels on CountGen2 and did not get any letter O's again. There has got to be a fault :(

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:08 pm
by Richard Brittain
Wow, that's quite a major bug. Surprised I didn't notice it, considering I've watched all 3 of the games so far. Good spot. I wonder how long this has gone unnoticed, Countgen 2 has been around a while hasn't it? Reams! You have a lot of explaining to do. We haven't been playing Countdown at all, we've been playing a cheap, O-less imitation. If any of the 3 losers thus far happen to be O-specialists, and base their game around getting words involving Os, they have reasonable grounds to demand a rematch. However, if Michael Wallace claims that he is an O-specialist, then I will claim that I am one also, and so it will still have been a fair match.

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:09 pm
by Ben Wilson
http://www.countdownwiki.com/COMA

None of the game linked to from here contain a single O outside the cunundrum... this is seriously bizarre.

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:18 pm
by Richard Brittain
The whole of COMA was O-less? This gets more extraordinary by the minute. We now have the possibility that the entire COMA competition will have to be voided, especially if there were any O-specialists involved.

Maybe it's all some sick experiment by Soo Reams.

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:29 pm
by Joseph Bolas
jasoncullen wrote:Yes I have been using CountGen2 and I'm baffled that no O's have come out in 3 games. There must be a fault with the system but I can assure you it is not a fix. I have nothing against the letter O :lol:

EDIT - I have just randomly clicked all the 70 vowels on CountGen2 and did not get any letter O's again. There has got to be a fault :(
70 vowels?

When the program loads up it says 45 vowels - 75 consonatnts. When Jim worked out the letter distribution, he worked out the following:

A - 13 (only once, in this game)
E - 16 (twice; here and here)
I - 11 (three times)
O - 10 (seven times)
U - 5 (three times, including this one where all five were out within the first six letters games)

This totals 55 so no matter how many games you play, there will be no O's. Its a good idea though :lol: its a way to practice unusual words no with O's in them :D.

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:47 pm
by JasonCullen
Yeah I meant 45 vowels :D .

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:09 pm
by Matthew Green
Hmmm, I demand all games be replayed with the O's. I cant play to my usual high standard without O's... ;)

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:49 pm
by Charlie Reams
Richard Brittain wrote:Maybe it's all some sick experiment by Soo Reams.
Actually I'm a specialist in words that don't contain O.

I'm not sure how old this bug is or where it came from, but CountGen hasn't been updated for ages so it could be very old. Well done for finally noticing it. I will find and fix at some point soon.

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:36 pm
by Michael Wallace
Yeah, I'm totally an O-specialist.

Maybe.

(so who's responsible for this? I see Soo has claimed he is a non-O specialist, very suspicious...)

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:46 pm
by James Hurrell
Leave it as it is and hopefully Martin won't read this before Friday giving me that edge! I think I'll need it.

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:15 pm
by Paul Howe
There is a link to "old Countgen" on the Countgen page. The letters produced aren't quite as nice but they definitely do contain O's!. Having said that, have just realised it may be configured for 9 rounds.

COMA - Cunting O's Missing in Action ;)

Re: COOT prelim game 2 Howard vs Rich

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:42 pm
by Dinos Sfyris
Shit! All those O words I've been practicing, like OXYMORON and OSMOSIS. Mind you whenever I dish out practice games I always use my primitive set of letters from the Countdown game I won on the show. Plenty of Os in there. Take that technology!