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The Insert Key
Who uses it? Have you ever used it? I've never used it? What's it there for? There must be a conspiracy?
Seriously though, who uses their insert key (on purpose), and why?
Seriously though, who uses their insert key (on purpose), and why?
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i would vote off the insert key?
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When I first got a computer I always used to brush the insert key by accident and not know what's going on. It was great when I finally found out it was The Insert Key that was making me overwrite test, I didn't have to reset my computer ever again.
My favourite key is scroll lock. What does he do?
My favourite key is scroll lock. What does he do?
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I don't recall the last time that I used it.
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I've sometimes used Insert for overtyping but not lately, and to be honest I can't really remember why it was necessary to use it even then. And I've only ever noticed Scroll Lock do anything in stuff like Excel, where it makes the arrow keys scroll the window rather than move between cells, but I can't say I've ever used it on purpose.
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Meh, it used to be quite useful in early Wordstar (omg I'm old ). Nowadays the only time I hit it deliberately is just after I've hit it accidentally, although very occasionally to do things like change numbers in documents when I'm too lazy to highlight them with the mouse.
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Surely Pause|Break is even more pointless?
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I prise the insert key off my keyboard. Or I do on keyboards that my girlfriend doesn't use.
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This. I used to hit it so many times by accident and then as I'd type it'd eat up the following words. I got so angry when I was younger and had no idea why my stupid computer did that. Then I just mashed loads of keys and it was fixed....and eventually found out that all I had to do was press this "insert" key and my problems would be solved. It causes more problems than it solves so I say get rid of it.Ben Hunter wrote:When I first got a computer I always used to brush the insert key by accident and not know what's going on. It was great when I finally found out it was The Insert Key that was making me overwrite test, I didn't have to reset my computer ever again.
My favourite key is scroll lock. What does he do?
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COOL NEW TRICK ALERT!Jon O'Neill wrote:Surely Pause|Break is even more pointless?
On modern keyboards, the break key is usually labeled Pause/Break. In most Windows environments, the key combination Windows key+Pause brings up the system properties.
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Never even seen that one. Until now.Jon O'Neill wrote:Surely Pause|Break is even more pointless?
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Likewise. This got me looking at my keyboard and thinking just how many keys I've never actually used. There are a lot!Howard Somerset wrote:Never even seen that one. Until now.Jon O'Neill wrote:Surely Pause|Break is even more pointless?
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Pretty cool.Michael Wallace wrote:¬_¬
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever actually used the second one non-ironically.Jon O'Neill wrote:Pretty cool.Michael Wallace wrote:¬_¬
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Racist.Jon O'Neill wrote:This one's shit.Michael Wallace wrote:¦)
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This reminds me of how East Asians tend to use smilies that focus on eyes (^_^), compared to Western ones that focus on the mouthJon Corby wrote:Racist.Jon O'Neill wrote:This one's shit.Michael Wallace wrote:¦)
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ctrl-` is useful in Excel to show forumlae.
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^_^ just looks like a smug person to me.Michael Wallace wrote:This reminds me of how East Asians tend to use smilies that focus on eyes (^_^), compared to Western ones that focus on the mouth
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You use the | loads in UNIX to throughput commands
eg
ls -il | grep file
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ls -il | grep file
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?_?Ben Hunter wrote:^_^ just looks like a smug person to me.Michael Wallace wrote:This reminds me of how East Asians tend to use smilies that focus on eyes (^_^), compared to Western ones that focus on the mouth
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I use it a bit in Java as the OR operatorLesley Hines wrote:You use the | loads in UNIX to throughput commands
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ls -il | grep file
eg. if (i % 3 == 0 || i % 5 == 0)
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It's also very useful for doing barlines when you're typing up chords for songs, e.g.Lesley Hines wrote:You use the | loads in UNIX to throughput commands
| C C/B | C/A C/G | F F/E | Dmi Dmi/C | G G/F | Emi G7/D | C F | G F/A G7/B |
(Can anyone recognise the song, the intro to which these chords represent, without actually playing them? It's a famous one.)
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Whiter shade of pale?Brian Moore wrote:It's also very useful for doing barlines when you're typing up chords for songs, e.g.Lesley Hines wrote:You use the | loads in UNIX to throughput commands
| C C/B | C/A C/G | F F/E | Dmi Dmi/C | G G/F | Emi G7/D | C F | G F/A G7/B |
(Can anyone recognise the song, the intro to which these chords represent, without actually playing them? It's a famous one.)
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The second shift button is pretty pointless. Why not have two of everything? I've got two dollars on my keyboard as well.
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lolwot - you (should) use the left shift to capitalise a letter you're typing with your right hand, and the right shift to capitalise a letter you're typing with your left hand.Gavin Chipper wrote:The second shift button is pretty pointless.
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Yup ... I'm impressed.Lesley Hines wrote:Whiter shade of pale?Brian Moore wrote:It's also very useful for doing barlines when you're typing up chords for songs, e.g.Lesley Hines wrote:You use the | loads in UNIX to throughput commands
| C C/B | C/A C/G | F F/E | Dmi Dmi/C | G G/F | Emi G7/D | C F | G F/A G7/B |
(Can anyone recognise the song, the intro to which these chords represent, without actually playing them? It's a famous one.)
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Or just type the letter with your right hand if you also have to press shift.Michael Wallace wrote:lolwot - you (should) use the left shift to capitalise a letter you're typing with your right hand, and the right shift to capitalise a letter you're typing with your left hand.Gavin Chipper wrote:The second shift button is pretty pointless.
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Which is hilariously inefficient?Gavin Chipper wrote:Or just type the letter with your right hand if you also have to press shift.Michael Wallace wrote:lolwot - you (should) use the left shift to capitalise a letter you're typing with your right hand, and the right shift to capitalise a letter you're typing with your left hand.Gavin Chipper wrote:The second shift button is pretty pointless.
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Actually, I've just watched myself do some typing, and if a letter is towards the left of the keyboard I will just use a different finger on the same hand. Easy!Michael Wallace wrote:Which is hilariously inefficient?
I know I'm not some uber geek touch typist, but presumably touch typing evolved around the layout of thr keyboard rather than the other way round (I've heard numerous times that the QWERTY keyboard was supposed to makes things harder, not easier) so it seems funny to grant this one concession.
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QWERTY isn't supposed to make things harder, it's designed to make typewriters less likely to jam (thikipedia).Gavin Chipper wrote:Actually, I've just watched myself do some typing, and if a letter is towards the left of the keyboard I will just use a different finger on the same hand. Easy!Michael Wallace wrote:Which is hilariously inefficient?
I know I'm not some uber geek touch typist, but presumably touch typing evolved around the layout of thr keyboard rather than the other way round (I've heard numerous times that the QWERTY keyboard was supposed to makes things harder, not easier) so it seems funny to grant this one concession.
The thing about touch typing is it just makes things way easier (as evidenced by the fact you're having to use different fingers when you want to use shift), and being able to use two shift keys is part of that - to claim it's 'pointless' is a bit much.
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Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
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I use my penis.Jon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
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You would have earned yourself one like if you hadn't capitalised W in that message.Jon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
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Just to type capitals, or for all your typing? Is that why the majority of typists are female? (Scandalously sexist comment with no data to back it up)Michael Wallace wrote:I use my penis.Jon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
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You misunderstand, my penis is my shift key.Lesley Hines wrote:Just to type capitals, or for all your typing? Is that why the majority of typists are female? (Scandalously sexist comment with no data to back it up)Michael Wallace wrote:I use my penis.Jon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
(you press it and things get bigger?)
(if you hold it down it looks like I'm shouting?)
(if you press it it turns a forward slash into a question mark?)
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Michael Wallace wrote: You misunderstand, my penis is my shift key.
(you press it and things get bigger?)
(if you hold it down it looks like I'm shouting?)
(if you press it it turns a forward slash into a question mark?)
Is this what inspired your helpful advice about 'one for the left hand, and one for the right'?
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I do, but it doesn't work very well when a stray toenail clipping gets stuck under it.Jon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
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I'm stunned about the right-shift key thing, Raccoon. I'm a pretty fast typist and I don't think I've ever used it.
As for the 'Insert' key, I write a lot of code in fixed pitch fonts and I like to do big pretty comment boxes with borders, so it's kinda slightly useful for doing that sort of thing, but it would hardly be a hardship if it didn't exist and I probably don't even use it most of the time anyway.
I remember back in the days of my ZX81 and BBC Micro that 'Overtype' was the default mode so having an 'Insert' key made sense, so the real issue surely is that the key should be renamed 'Overtype' now (if it is to be kept at all).
As for the 'Insert' key, I write a lot of code in fixed pitch fonts and I like to do big pretty comment boxes with borders, so it's kinda slightly useful for doing that sort of thing, but it would hardly be a hardship if it didn't exist and I probably don't even use it most of the time anyway.
I remember back in the days of my ZX81 and BBC Micro that 'Overtype' was the default mode so having an 'Insert' key made sense, so the real issue surely is that the key should be renamed 'Overtype' now (if it is to be kept at all).
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I've never thought about which shift key I use so I just did a test type and found I use both left and right shift keys interchangeably. This is probably why I'm the fastest typist in my house.Jon Corby wrote:I'm stunned about the right-shift key thing, Raccoon. I'm a pretty fast typist and I don't think I've ever used it.
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It's weird. Concentrating on it now, it doesn't seem unnatural to press the right shift key with my right hand. But I really don't think I ever do it normally.Ben Hunter wrote:I've never thought about which shift key I use so I just did a test type and found I use both left and right shift keys interchangeably. This is probably why I'm the fastest typist in my house.Jon Corby wrote:I'm stunned about the right-shift key thing, Raccoon. I'm a pretty fast typist and I don't think I've ever used it.
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scott gilles?Matt Morrison wrote:You would have earned yourself one like if you hadn't capitalised W in that message.Jon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
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Has anyone ever pressed shift five times in a row? It's a whole new level of excitment.
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Sticky keys ooer must be Ryan and his magic sock again.Gavin Chipper wrote:Has anyone ever pressed shift five times in a row? It's a whole new level of excitment.
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While we're ridding the keyboard of seldom/never used keys, what about ones that should be there? It's an absolute joke that in the age of Facebook farming and 40 year old married men showing their erections on webcam to 13 year old girls, I still have to press CTRL when I want to cut/copy/paste. These should have their own keys.
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I was going to suggest Smiley keys instead of Function keys, but I think James Robinson might get overexcited.
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Too late, Jon.Jon O'Neill wrote:I was going to suggest Smiley keys instead of Function keys, but I think James Robinson might get overexcited.
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My keyboard gives them their own keys where the function keys usually are, so your dream can become a reality. However it's still easier to use ctrl+c than reach over to the top row, especially because there's a good chance that you miss and hit copy instead of paste or whatever. So that's probably why it hasn't caught on.Jon Corby wrote:While we're ridding the keyboard of seldom/never used keys, what about ones that should be there? It's an absolute joke that in the age of Facebook farming and 40 year old married men showing their erections on webcam to 13 year old girls, I still have to press CTRL when I want to cut/copy/paste. These should have their own keys.
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I want your keyboard. X, C and V are all next to each other anyway (and I do sometimes get the wrong one) so I don't really understand that concern tbh.Charlie Reams wrote:My keyboard gives them their own keys where the function keys usually are, so your dream can become a reality. However it's still easier to use ctrl+c than reach over to the top row, especially because there's a good chance that you miss and hit copy instead of paste or whatever. So that's probably why it hasn't caught on.
Do you ever find yourself pasting the same thing on several lines? That's when it occurred to me how awkward it is to move the cursor and then have to press CTRL to perform the paste. It makes my fingers hurt, and I always end up pressing a cursor key with CTRL shooting the cursor off, or even worse leaving a stray "V" in there somewhere.
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How long have you been typing for? It's like listening to my gran talk about computers.Jon Corby wrote:Do you ever find yourself pasting the same thing on several lines? That's when it occurred to me how awkward it is to move the cursor and then have to press CTRL to perform the paste. It makes my fingers hurt, and I always end up pressing a cursor key with CTRL shooting the cursor off, or even worse leaving a stray "V" in there somewhere.
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Maybe you should start using the other shift key...Jon Corby wrote:I want your keyboard. X, C and V are all next to each other anyway (and I do sometimes get the wrong one) so I don't really understand that concern tbh.Charlie Reams wrote:My keyboard gives them their own keys where the function keys usually are, so your dream can become a reality. However it's still easier to use ctrl+c than reach over to the top row, especially because there's a good chance that you miss and hit copy instead of paste or whatever. So that's probably why it hasn't caught on.
Do you ever find yourself pasting the same thing on several lines? That's when it occurred to me how awkward it is to move the cursor and then have to press CTRL to perform the paste. It makes my fingers hurt, and I always end up pressing a cursor key with CTRL shooting the cursor off, or even worse leaving a stray "V" in there somewhere.
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Because your hand is usually on that part of the keyboard already, so you have a good feel for where the keys are. The further you have to reach, the harder it is to hit the right key (Fitts' law).Jon Corby wrote:I want your keyboard. X, C and V are all next to each other anyway (and I do sometimes get the wrong one) so I don't really understand that concern tbh.Charlie Reams wrote:My keyboard gives them their own keys where the function keys usually are, so your dream can become a reality. However it's still easier to use ctrl+c than reach over to the top row, especially because there's a good chance that you miss and hit copy instead of paste or whatever. So that's probably why it hasn't caught on.
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Haha, fuck off.Matt Morrison wrote:How long have you been typing for? It's like listening to my gran talk about computers.Jon Corby wrote:Do you ever find yourself pasting the same thing on several lines? That's when it occurred to me how awkward it is to move the cursor and then have to press CTRL to perform the paste. It makes my fingers hurt, and I always end up pressing a cursor key with CTRL shooting the cursor off, or even worse leaving a stray "V" in there somewhere.
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Don't have any laying about the house, but I seem to remember that the old Sun keyboards had cut, copy, and paste in the pile of keys on the left-hand side. Don't know if you can make one of those work with a Windows machine.Jon Corby wrote:While we're ridding the keyboard of seldom/never used keys, what about ones that should be there? It's an absolute joke that in the age of Facebook farming and 40 year old married men showing their erections on webcam to 13 year old girls, I still have to press CTRL when I want to cut/copy/paste. These should have their own keys.
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MEJon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
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WTF?Dmitry Goretsky wrote:MEJon O'Neill wrote:Who uses the shift key to type capitals anyway?
Seriously Dmitry, learn to behave. You can't refuse people permission to quote your posts; it's a public forum. Similarly, much as I'd like to ignore your posts I'm going to tell you this more nicely than other people would: change your fucking signature. It's ridiculous. I don't want to be shouted at by you every time I'm interested in what some of the intelligent people on here have got to say. Also, if people think they need your help they can pm, so you don't need to tell everyone your email address. Amazingly I doubt your inbox is overflowing with anyone from this forum.
Then grow up.
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Thanks very much whoever did that (Charlie I'd think...).
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Thanks very much whoever did that (Charlie I'd think...).
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