Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Cerebral distractions of every kind, mostly but not exclusively Countdown-related.

Moderator: Michael Wallace

Post Reply
User avatar
Kieran Child
Enthusiast
Posts: 355
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:48 pm

Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Kieran Child »

The final stretch of your rather unconventionally word-based quest.

A set of 4 puzzles so hard Friedrich Mohs used to pretend they didn't exist.

1) taking the symbols for the back row of a chess board, we see the word RNBQKBNR. Rename the pieces so that the symbols create a valid word. (3 ways)
2) which 7 letter word has the property that you can change any of its letters to form another word?
3) which 25 letter word can be spelled using the element symbols of the periodic table?

Upon completing the above three challenges, a strange creature flies down to you and, while clearly impressed by your ability at word games, seems somewhat scared by the power this ability might grant you. He offers you the final challenge in the form of a two player word game. But first must explain the rules. "The rules are easy." he utters. "even Jon Corby could pick them up. What happens is one of us says a letter. Then the other person adds a letter to the front of it, the first person adds a third letter and so on. There must always be a valid word we could be heading towards, so if I say F, you cannot say Z because no word ends in ZF. The first person to make a valid word longer than 3 letters loses."
"OK, so what's the challenge?" you ask unpleasantly.

4) Do you want to go first or second?
Last edited by Kieran Child on Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Charlie Reams
Site Admin
Posts: 9494
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
Location: Cambridge
Contact:

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Charlie Reams »

#4 is pretty impossible to solve without a computer program, although anyone who reads the XKCD blog will know the answer.
User avatar
Kieran Child
Enthusiast
Posts: 355
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:48 pm

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Kieran Child »

it isn't completely impossible without a computer, because I know of one person who solved it without a computer (well, without using a computer program designed to solve it)

Was intended to be the hardest of the 4, but if the answer is on your friends blog, please would anyone who has read that blog not answer? thanks :)
User avatar
Charlie Reams
Site Admin
Posts: 9494
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
Location: Cambridge
Contact:

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Charlie Reams »

I actually wrote "pretty impossible" just to annoy Rosemary Roberts, I'm sure it's doable although tedious and highly error-prone. Also lol at
your friends blog
User avatar
Kieran Child
Enthusiast
Posts: 355
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:48 pm

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Kieran Child »

^You may need to think about it a bit more to find why some of those aren't legal.
Apart from despised which is quite good and I hadn't thought of that.
User avatar
Phil Reynolds
Postmaster General
Posts: 3329
Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:43 pm
Location: Leamington Spa, UK

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Phil Reynolds »

Kieran Child wrote:1) taking the symbols for the back row of a chess board, we see the word RNBQKBNR. Rename the pieces so that the symbols create a valid word. (3 ways)
I've found four so far, and I'm sure there are more:
DESPISED
DEVOLVED
MARJORAM
REVOLVER

(My previous answer had some more but with non-unique symbols, e.g. DETECTED.)
User avatar
Phil Reynolds
Postmaster General
Posts: 3329
Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:43 pm
Location: Leamington Spa, UK

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Phil Reynolds »

Phil Reynolds wrote:
Kieran Child wrote:1) taking the symbols for the back row of a chess board, we see the word RNBQKBNR. Rename the pieces so that the symbols create a valid word. (3 ways)
I've found four so far, and I'm sure there are more:
DESPISED
DEVOLVED
MARJORAM
REVOLVER
After resorting to some computer-assistedness, it turns out that there are three more valid answers to this one in the ODE, but two of them are words I've never come across before and the third is a word I probably wouldn't have thought of.
User avatar
Jon Corby
Moral Hero
Posts: 8021
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:36 am

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Jon Corby »

I don't understand the rules of the game in #4 :?
User avatar
Lesley Hines
Kiloposter
Posts: 1250
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:29 pm
Location: Worcester

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Lesley Hines »

Am I being really thick thinking first to #4? I guess I've got a 50/50 chance... Makes sense to my simple mind :)

This is at least my logic (e.g.):
~Me first: N
You: AN
Me: PAN
You: SPAN
:. you lose as you've just made a 4 letter word.

No?
Lowering the averages since 2009
User avatar
Charlie Reams
Site Admin
Posts: 9494
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
Location: Cambridge
Contact:

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Charlie Reams »

Lesley Hines wrote:Am I being really thick thinking first to #4? I guess I've got a 50/50 chance... Makes sense to my simple mind :)

This is at least my logic (e.g.):
~Me first: N
You: AN
Me: PAN
You: SPAN
:. you lose as you've just made a 4 letter word.

No?
Why would I pick SPAN when I could pick another letter?
User avatar
Phil Reynolds
Postmaster General
Posts: 3329
Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:43 pm
Location: Leamington Spa, UK

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Phil Reynolds »

Charlie Reams wrote:
Lesley Hines wrote:Am I being really thick thinking first to #4? I guess I've got a 50/50 chance... Makes sense to my simple mind :)

This is at least my logic (e.g.):
~Me first: N
You: AN
Me: PAN
You: SPAN
:. you lose as you've just made a 4 letter word.

No?
Why would I pick SPAN when I could pick another letter?
...e.g. APAN which then forces your opponent to play JAPAN and you win.
User avatar
Lesley Hines
Kiloposter
Posts: 1250
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:29 pm
Location: Worcester

Re: Alphaquest chapter 5: The battle of the gods

Post by Lesley Hines »

Phil Reynolds wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:
Lesley Hines wrote:Am I being really thick thinking first to #4? I guess I've got a 50/50 chance... Makes sense to my simple mind :)

This is at least my logic (e.g.):
~Me first: N
You: AN
Me: PAN
You: SPAN
:. you lose as you've just made a 4 letter word.

No?
Why would I pick SPAN when I could pick another letter?
...e.g. APAN which then forces your opponent to play JAPAN and you win.
Doh! Geddit :) Still first, then. But only for this example, and only if I'm not playing Phil or Charlie :lol:
Lowering the averages since 2009
Post Reply