Statland
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
- Kai Laddiman
- Fanatic
- Posts: 2314
- Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:37 pm
- Location: My bedroom
Re: Statland
Go ORDINATES!
16/10/2007 - Episode 4460
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
- Ben Wilson
- Legend
- Posts: 4547
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:05 pm
- Location: North Hykeham
Re: Statland
Ahh, very nice, nerdy and awesome. Interesting conundrums occur more often than numbers games.
- Phil Reynolds
- Postmaster General
- Posts: 3329
- Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:43 pm
- Location: Leamington Spa, UK
Re: Statland
How come it's top of the list of most disallowed words?Kai Laddiman wrote:Go ORDINATES!
- Daniel O'Dowd
- Acolyte
- Posts: 178
- Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:40 pm
Re: Statland
It's at the top of the Most Frequent Nines page actually. The reasons for which are obvious.Phil Reynolds wrote:How come it's top of the list of most disallowed words?Kai Laddiman wrote:Go ORDINATES!
Charlie, this is a very useful addition to the site =) Fankoo!
- Phil Reynolds
- Postmaster General
- Posts: 3329
- Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:43 pm
- Location: Leamington Spa, UK
Re: Statland
Yeah, I know that. But, at the time I posted, the same list was coming up whichever one I selected. I see Charlie's fixed that now, obviously with the sole aim of making me look stupid.Daniel O'Dowd wrote:It's at the top of the Most Frequent Nines page actually. The reasons for which are obvious.Phil Reynolds wrote:How come it's top of the list of most disallowed words?Kai Laddiman wrote:Go ORDINATES!
-
- Enthusiast
- Posts: 327
- Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:18 am
-
- Series 59 Champion
- Posts: 574
- Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:26 pm
Re: Statland
Interesting stuff. I'm guessing that with most frequent 9s, some more obscure ones like UITLANDER will appear higher up than usual due to their frequent appearance in Goatdown. Interesting that AUDITOR is the most missed word as I used to always miss it. Actually, these two facts are probably linked. So not very interesting.
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
Re: Statland
The stats don't include anything other than standard mode for exactly that reason. I might do a Goatdown table sometime although it might not be particularly interesting.Junaid Mubeen wrote:Interesting stuff. I'm guessing that with most frequent 9s, some more obscure ones like UITLANDER will appear higher up than usual due to their frequent appearance in Goatdown. Interesting that AUDITOR is the most missed word as I used to always miss it. Actually, these two facts are probably linked. So not very interesting.
-
- Enthusiast
- Posts: 295
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:41 am
- Location: Stamford, Connecticut
Re: Statland
Great stuff Charlie, I love these kinds of stats. I'm sure there are some other good ones that can be added in future.
If you're at all interested, off the top of my head I can think of (I know some of these may be unfeasible depending on what data mining you're doing / expensive database queries / pure impossibility):
- most missed/solved conundrums
- numbers game player %maxes for the different formats (I always wondered whether 4 large or 6 small is easier overall)
- proportion of impossible numbers game by format
- top missed/spotted double (or more) darrens
- most missed words of players over/under an arbitrary rating - maybe simpler to have a personal "Bob's missed words" list for each player
- most offered words overall
More of a high scores/top players thing:
- top 10 highest proportion of letters / numbers / conundrums maxes per game (per format? where it makes sense)
- best goatdown pickers
If you're at all interested, off the top of my head I can think of (I know some of these may be unfeasible depending on what data mining you're doing / expensive database queries / pure impossibility):
- most missed/solved conundrums
- numbers game player %maxes for the different formats (I always wondered whether 4 large or 6 small is easier overall)
- proportion of impossible numbers game by format
- top missed/spotted double (or more) darrens
- most missed words of players over/under an arbitrary rating - maybe simpler to have a personal "Bob's missed words" list for each player
- most offered words overall
More of a high scores/top players thing:
- top 10 highest proportion of letters / numbers / conundrums maxes per game (per format? where it makes sense)
- best goatdown pickers
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
Re: Statland
- most missed/solved conundrums: The Raccoon and I have Big Plans for that so there will be something eventually.
- numbers game player %maxes for the different formats and proportion of impossible numbers game by format: http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?section=numbers (I think that's what you wanted.)
- most offered words overall: http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... st_offered and http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... _offered_9
The others are good ideas too, I'll see what I can do.
- numbers game player %maxes for the different formats and proportion of impossible numbers game by format: http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?section=numbers (I think that's what you wanted.)
- most offered words overall: http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... st_offered and http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... _offered_9
The others are good ideas too, I'll see what I can do.
- Ian Volante
- Postmaster General
- Posts: 3967
- Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:15 pm
- Location: Edinburgh
- Contact:
Re: Statland
This is great!
I've spotted however that on the "Most offered" pages, the top of the numbers column says "Disallowed", which reduces my enjoyment no end.
I've spotted however that on the "Most offered" pages, the top of the numbers column says "Disallowed", which reduces my enjoyment no end.
meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles
-
- Enthusiast
- Posts: 295
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:41 am
- Location: Stamford, Connecticut
Re: Statland
Awesome.Charlie Reams wrote:- most missed/solved conundrums: The Raccoon and I have Big Plans for that so there will be something eventually.
- numbers game player %maxes for the different formats and proportion of impossible numbers game by format: http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?section=numbers (I think that's what you wanted.)
- most offered words overall: http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... st_offered and http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... _offered_9
The others are good ideas too, I'll see what I can do.
Regarding the numbers, that's actually beyond what I had thought of as far as maxes are concerned, so nice job. In terms of difficulty I was actually thinking of whether the (human) player was actually able to solve the numbers game, or how far away was attained (so in games between two human opponents, there are in effect two numbers games to record).
Re: Statland
If it's not too hard to find, what were the two impossible 1-large numbers games?
Re: Statland
And great work on the new additions.
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
Re: Statland
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ga ... und=231420 and http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ga ... und=210560Gary Male wrote:If it's not too hard to find, what were the two impossible 1-large numbers games?
No surprises, they both involve the 25, small workers and a large target.
-
- Newbie
- Posts: 15
- Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:10 pm
Re: Statland
It still say 'Disallowed' rather than 'Hits' on the column headings of both the 'most offered' pages, which confused me momentarily.Phil Reynolds wrote:Yeah, I know that. But, at the time I posted, the same list was coming up whichever one I selected. I see Charlie's fixed that now, obviously with the sole aim of making me look stupid.Daniel O'Dowd wrote:It's at the top of the Most Frequent Nines page actually. The reasons for which are obvious.Phil Reynolds wrote: How come it's top of the list of most disallowed words?
But still a great resource! Thanks Charlie.
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
-
- Enthusiast
- Posts: 295
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:41 am
- Location: Stamford, Connecticut
Re: Statland
Very cool Charlie.
I presume the darrenicity measure relates to the number of maxes available given your pick? So that with the two measures you can differentiate players like Rex (great max picking with few co-max words) and myself (good max picking but with many max words available).
In that case, goatdown aficionados are free to use me as a stooge in the quest for high scores
- Jon O'Neill
- Ginger Ninja
- Posts: 4549
- Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:45 am
- Location: London, UK
Re: Statland
I wonder how well someone who just picked S every time would perform in the max picking.
-
- Enthusiast
- Posts: 295
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:41 am
- Location: Stamford, Connecticut
Re: Statland
Looking at the stats here, perhaps not that well. In fact, S wasn't even clearly much better than L or R given the small sample of games.Jon O'Neill wrote:I wonder how well someone who just picked S every time would perform in the max picking.
That has got me thinking - I had a game the other day where the first three letters in the selection were S, S, S; I mused at the time that if I didn't pick anything at the end, I would automatically have at least four Ss in the selection.
I wonder what the best pick in general is if there is already an S (or more) in the selection, and if it is largely different to the default ["pick S"] action, should it be changed in this (these) cases?
- Ian Volante
- Postmaster General
- Posts: 3967
- Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:15 pm
- Location: Edinburgh
- Contact:
Re: Statland
How about the most common people to submit any given word?
meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles
Re: Statland
That'll probably be me in most cases, I'm VERY common. Just ask Richard Brittain.Ian Volante wrote:How about the most common people to submit any given word?
- Ian Volante
- Postmaster General
- Posts: 3967
- Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:15 pm
- Location: Edinburgh
- Contact:
Re: Statland
I wish your humour was less so...Jon Corby wrote:That'll probably be me in most cases, I'm VERY common. Just ask Richard Brittain.Ian Volante wrote:How about the most common people to submit any given word?
meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles
- Kai Laddiman
- Fanatic
- Posts: 2314
- Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:37 pm
- Location: My bedroom
Re: Statland
At the bottom of the frequent 12s, it says, "Table includes only standard games in the normal variant." Yet this is clearly not true.
16/10/2007 - Episode 4460
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
Re: Statland
I worded that deliberately to be ambiguous, because I'm lazy. For 12s, the normal variant is Hyper, so it makes sense. Kinda.Kai Laddiman wrote:At the bottom of the frequent 12s, it says, "Table includes only standard games in the normal variant." Yet this is clearly not true.
- Kai Laddiman
- Fanatic
- Posts: 2314
- Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:37 pm
- Location: My bedroom
Re: Statland
This doesn't look too much like the normal variant.
16/10/2007 - Episode 4460
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
Re: Statland
You're right. Now I have to fix it properly. Boooo.Kai Laddiman wrote:This doesn't look too much like the normal variant.
-
- Enthusiast
- Posts: 295
- Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:41 am
- Location: Stamford, Connecticut
Re: Statland
I think the update code for the "best pickers" (maxes and darrens) isn't doing its job properly. I've noticed I've been stuck on 80 rounds picked since it was introduced (I think). It probably should've gone up a bit after all those Aptobash games!
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
Re: Statland
Good spot.Simon Myers wrote:I think the update code for the "best pickers" (maxes and darrens) isn't doing its job properly. I've noticed I've been stuck on 80 rounds picked since it was introduced (I think). It probably should've gone up a bit after all those Aptobash games!
- Charlie Reams
- Site Admin
- Posts: 9494
- Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm
- Location: Cambridge
- Contact:
Re: Statland
This is now more fixed than a Stephen Maguire game. My original implementation had no few than 3 different bugs, causing its results to be utter bollocks; fixed version is now up.Simon Myers wrote:I think the update code for the "best pickers" (maxes and darrens) isn't doing its job properly. I've noticed I've been stuck on 80 rounds picked since it was introduced (I think). It probably should've gone up a bit after all those Aptobash games!