Spoilers for Tuesday 10 January 2023 - CoC XVI, Prelim 7
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:18 am
Two Series 85 representatives go head-to-head in the penultimate 1st-round match: semi-finalist Steve Hyde and champion Dan Byrom.
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I actually got the first one but not the second. I didn't see the divisibility by 7 having been too focused on the 450 + 12 thing, but that's poor form by me, especially considering I turned away from 13*75 early enough in the first round.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:03 pm I did the second numbers Rachel’s way, and was excited that I might have had a “Winner!!!!” but Rachel scuppered that one.
Not sure how both Steve and Dan missed this.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think any of the above is true. It’s all manual, I believe. The host has a monitor which indicates who buzzed, but I don’t think there’s a digital clock. If it was dead automatic then it would probably increase budget. Accuracy is not dead accurate nor taken absolutely seriously (never has been), and the clock music composition doesn’t ‘tick’ at 0.5 seconds dead, hence why the ‘boom’ starts to sound just before the last light turns on. I notice the music going very slightly out of sync halfway though.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:28 pm Does that mean the buzzers are no longer locked out when the clock isn’t on?
I always thought that the clock’s “bong” started with the final light on, marking 30 seconds…? I once saw a YouTube comment highlighting this was incorrect in the past, and the camera would cut to Richard on the “bong” before the final light came on, but this has been fixed in recent years, so that’s surprising.
Edit: also, that must mean Colin has a digital clock in his desk? Because why would you restart the clock if the 30th light is on?
I’m bewildered by this TBH.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:07 pm I think if someone buzzes in and gets it wrong, then the other player should have the opportunity to guess as well because it's the same time left and it shouldn't be a question of how fast their reactions are.
What about it?Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:48 pmI’m bewildered by this TBH.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:07 pm I think if someone buzzes in and gets it wrong, then the other player should have the opportunity to guess as well because it's the same time left and it shouldn't be a question of how fast their reactions are.
If your opponent gets it wrong, then you get the opportunity to guess anyway, with the time remaining (as long as you press your buzzer - one of my opponents answered before buzzing but this was refilmed). Just wondering if you meant they should guess straight away without buzzing in? I don’t think the rules should be changed at all.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:05 pmWhat about it?Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:48 pmI’m bewildered by this TBH.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:07 pm I think if someone buzzes in and gets it wrong, then the other player should have the opportunity to guess as well because it's the same time left and it shouldn't be a question of how fast their reactions are.
Well I wasn't sure what to take from yours and Rhys's conversation. There seemed to be the suggestion that Steve shouldn't have had the chance to buzz after Dan's incorrect guess.Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:21 pmIf your opponent gets it wrong, then you get the opportunity to guess anyway, with the time remaining (as long as you press your buzzer - one of my opponents answered before buzzing but this was refilmed). Just wondering if you meant they should guess straight away without buzzing in? I don’t think the rules should be changed at all.
Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:02 pmRhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:28 pm
Edit: also, that must mean Colin has a digital clock in his desk? Because why would you restart the clock if the 30th light is on?
But I agree that if you buzz in after the 30th light, you shouldn’t answer. A fun end nonetheless, but allowing someone to answer when clearly out of time by a split second would be too contentious in crucial conundrums.
Ah, but both players clearly buzzed after all the clock’s lights turned on, so in my view neither should have had a chance to answer at all, regardless of who buzzes first or second. That was a weird cut of the conundrum, I have to say. They were both clearly out of time. It should be hard and fast like Only Connect where your buzzer won’t sound after the bong even if you’re 0.01 seconds out.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:38 pmWell I wasn't sure what to take from yours and Rhys's conversation. There seemed to be the suggestion that Steve shouldn't have had the chance to buzz after Dan's incorrect guess.Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:21 pmIf your opponent gets it wrong, then you get the opportunity to guess anyway, with the time remaining (as long as you press your buzzer - one of my opponents answered before buzzing but this was refilmed). Just wondering if you meant they should guess straight away without buzzing in? I don’t think the rules should be changed at all.
Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:02 pmRhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:28 pm
Edit: also, that must mean Colin has a digital clock in his desk? Because why would you restart the clock if the 30th light is on?
But I agree that if you buzz in after the 30th light, you shouldn’t answer. A fun end nonetheless, but allowing someone to answer when clearly out of time by a split second would be too contentious in crucial conundrums.
I disagree. The requirement for both players to buzz in within the timit limit before answering is perfectly fine and doesn’t need changing at all. Lots of quiz shows do it this way and it’s perfectly reasonable.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:21 pm The Only Connect thing where they buzz in at the last possible moment in a game of chicken with the timer seems a bit silly to me. They basically always buzz (they very rarely don't make a guess even if they have no idea) so it might as well just auto-buzz at the end of the time rather than require them to actually press the buzzer. Similarly if one contestant has already buzzed in incorrectly with the conundrum, they might as well just ask the other player if they have an answer at the end of the time if they haven't already buzzed in.
Normally a buzzer is for when there's a competition to see who gets there first. It's a bit like if they had to buzz at the end of the minute's thinking time in Pointless. Pointless.Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:36 pmI disagree. The requirement for both players to buzz in within the timit limit before answering is perfectly fine and doesn’t need changing at all. Lots of quiz shows do it this way and it’s perfectly reasonable.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:21 pm The Only Connect thing where they buzz in at the last possible moment in a game of chicken with the timer seems a bit silly to me. They basically always buzz (they very rarely don't make a guess even if they have no idea) so it might as well just auto-buzz at the end of the time rather than require them to actually press the buzzer. Similarly if one contestant has already buzzed in incorrectly with the conundrum, they might as well just ask the other player if they have an answer at the end of the time if they haven't already buzzed in.
On this, it's because the clock ticks 64 times during the music rather than 60, presumably because it makes for a better musical pattern.
The question is whether the "bong" is part of the 30 seconds or not, as far as I see it. In my opinion, it shouldn't be, and the music should be slowed down by 1/30th of a second (or however long) to accommodate it so the "bong" hits as soon as light 30 turns on. At that point, the clock should be considered "over" and the buzzers off.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:35 pmOn this, it's because the clock ticks 64 times during the music rather than 60, presumably because it makes for a better musical pattern.
Take the first part of The final Chase (assuming more than one player), the team has to buzz inside the 60 seconds, and the klaxon at the end doesn't accept buzzes when it sounds, meaning it is not considered part of the 60 seconds.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:35 pmNormally a buzzer is for when there's a competition to see who gets there first. It's a bit like if they had to buzz at the end of the minute's thinking time in Pointless. Pointless.Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:36 pmI disagree. The requirement for both players to buzz in within the timit limit before answering is perfectly fine and doesn’t need changing at all. Lots of quiz shows do it this way and it’s perfectly reasonable.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:21 pm The Only Connect thing where they buzz in at the last possible moment in a game of chicken with the timer seems a bit silly to me. They basically always buzz (they very rarely don't make a guess even if they have no idea) so it might as well just auto-buzz at the end of the time rather than require them to actually press the buzzer. Similarly if one contestant has already buzzed in incorrectly with the conundrum, they might as well just ask the other player if they have an answer at the end of the time if they haven't already buzzed in.
Ah, the pressure must have gotten to them since 462 is a multiple of 7 which both missed and afterwards in R9 where an alternative of 33 × 25 + 1 was possible but not found, unlucky However, Dan being closer to the target both times was what made him separate out against Steve even more and even though he had won by R14, he wants 3 Large, and it's not even difficult at all, so well done to both for keeping their cool and getting the last target.
Lightbulb moment:Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:35 pmNormally a buzzer is for when there's a competition to see who gets there first. It's a bit like if they had to buzz at the end of the minute's thinking time in Pointless. Pointless.Philip A wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:36 pmI disagree. The requirement for both players to buzz in within the timit limit before answering is perfectly fine and doesn’t need changing at all. Lots of quiz shows do it this way and it’s perfectly reasonable.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:21 pm The Only Connect thing where they buzz in at the last possible moment in a game of chicken with the timer seems a bit silly to me. They basically always buzz (they very rarely don't make a guess even if they have no idea) so it might as well just auto-buzz at the end of the time rather than require them to actually press the buzzer. Similarly if one contestant has already buzzed in incorrectly with the conundrum, they might as well just ask the other player if they have an answer at the end of the time if they haven't already buzzed in.
On this, it's because the clock ticks 64 times during the music rather than 60, presumably because it makes for a better musical pattern.
Interesting question. I count it as 15 bars of 4/4, then two bars of 6/8 for the last 2 seconds. But there are probably more musically knowledgeable people than me who would know.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:15 am In the Countdown clock music we have 30 seconds, and thus 128bpm works as well. You can clearly hear distinct musical phrasing in the Countdown tune. In terms of bars the pattern is six lots of 8-count for the main bit. The ending is one count of 8, followed by one count of 4, and then the coda on the end is seemingly non-musical.