Re: C of C Draw......
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:40 pm
He seems the most likely - he got about 83 maxes in his octorun, nobody else in his half of the draw reached 70. But anything can happen.
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Tbh I'm flattered you put me in the top 5Fred Mumford wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:50 pm Nah, it will only offend 15 people. Anyway I didn't exactly put an enormous amount of thought into it, just looked at the basic stats, and tweaked them a little bit to allow for dictionary updates and progress in their series finals. Wouldn't have bothered at all if it hadn't been for the outcry about one particularly strong quarter of the draw.
No. Wish she was thoughRhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 am Whilst I actually remember (and can't quite believe it hasn't come up) - Annie Humphries, was she invited?
I think she was invited but declined.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 am Whilst I actually remember (and can't quite believe it hasn't come up) - Annie Humphries, was she invited?
Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Did she say no, or was she never asked? Either way, shame.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:27 amI think she was invited but declined.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 am Whilst I actually remember (and can't quite believe it hasn't come up) - Annie Humphries, was she invited?
Yeah. I'd rather Annie over one or two othersRhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:36 amYeah, that's what I'm asking. Did she say no, or was she never asked? Either way, shame.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:27 amI think she was invited but declined.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 am Whilst I actually remember (and can't quite believe it hasn't come up) - Annie Humphries, was she invited?
She had a holiday already booked for the dates I believe.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:36 amYeah, that's what I'm asking. Did she say no, or was she never asked? Either way, shame.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:27 amI think she was invited but declined.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 am Whilst I actually remember (and can't quite believe it hasn't come up) - Annie Humphries, was she invited?
He wasn't, I was so shocked that he didn't even get an invite, especially as there's only one from S76.Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:02 pm What with Rhys wondering about Annie, I'm wondering if Jeff Clayton was invited?
If that's the only basis you have for his case, I'm not surprised he wasn't invited at all.James Robinson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:03 pmHe wasn't, I was so shocked that he didn't even get an invite, especially as there's only one from S76.Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:02 pm What with Rhys wondering about Annie, I'm wondering if Jeff Clayton was invited?
Why?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:22 amIf that's the only basis you have for his case, I'm not surprised he wasn't invited at all.James Robinson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:03 pmHe wasn't, I was so shocked that he didn't even get an invite, especially as there's only one from S76.Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:02 pm What with Rhys wondering about Annie, I'm wondering if Jeff Clayton was invited?
And 2 were invited from that series, just Moose didn't accept.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:22 amIf that's the only basis you have for his case, I'm not surprised he wasn't invited at all.James Robinson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:03 pmHe wasn't, I was so shocked that he didn't even get an invite, especially as there's only one from S76.Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:02 pm What with Rhys wondering about Annie, I'm wondering if Jeff Clayton was invited?
Can we count Annie as a third invite from S76, or does she count as S75?Zarte Siempre wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:15 amAnd 2 were invited from that series, just Moose didn't accept.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:22 amIf that's the only basis you have for his case, I'm not surprised he wasn't invited at all.James Robinson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:03 pm
He wasn't, I was so shocked that he didn't even get an invite, especially as there's only one from S76.
Two and a half.James Laverty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:11 am Can we count Annie as a third invite from S76, or does she count as S75?
I saw a strange comment from L'oisleatch McGraw earlier on this thread, where he moaned about the CoC lineup... and, in a bizarre twist, tried to blame the production staff members for not having enough "charisma". Crazy shit!Donald Trump wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:58 am e) I saw a strange comment from Countdown Team earlier on this thread, where they moaned about their inability to secure Moose for COC... and in a bizarre twist, tried to blame the fan community for their inadequacy. Crazy shit! Please own your failings, and in future do a better job at incentivising COC to former contestants... or if deemed necessary, employ new staff members with enough charisma to carry out that task effectively. It's not like it's hard.
What do you mean, snubbed? There are only 16 places so there are always going to be some talented competitors like Jeff and Robin who don't qualify. What did the rumour mill say? And since when is how much someone plays on Apterous a factor in deciding whether they qualify for the CoC?L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:58 am f) Moose Rosser, Robin McKay, Stephen Briggs, and Jeff Clayton's names appear in the Top 16 of BOTH of these lists. There is no doubt here. Each of these contestants deserved an invite to COC. Moose declined, fair enough. I have no intel re: Stephen. But the rumour mill suggests that Jeff and Robin were both snubbed. That is not good enough, particularly as main producer, Damian Eadie (who probably had some say in who was and wasn't to be invited), plays daily on Apterous via a pseudonym, and is involved with the community heavily enough to KNOW -first hand- how much more Countdown matters in the lives of Robin and Jeff than it does in the lives of Phil and Dougie. Bad form. Countdown Team owes these 2 (possibly 3) people... bigtime. Hopefully they will make amends by inviting them to a future special.
Ah, the familiar chorus of "that draw's fixed!" I wondered when we'd get to that.L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:58 am h) The third of my three major criticisms of COCXV relates to the draw. (There are a couple of problems with the draw, but I don't mean to be overly critical, so I'll only concentrate on the mother of them all...) On both lists it is clear that the #1 seed should be Zarte, and #2 should be Paul. That's a no brainer. Who in their right mind would pit them against each other in the first round when, on paper, that should be the Grand Final? Whether it was done through apathy or stupidity... there's no excusing torpedoing the competition in that way. If it had been a random draw, fair enough -but it wasn't. Someone intentionally planned it that way.
Well put Robin.Rob McKay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:44 pm Good Evening,
I don't often post on this forum but I've seen things about CoC on here and as my name was mentioned, felt I needed to respond.
Firstly, I will admit openly I am disappointed I didn't make it to the CoC as I am sure others were who didn't qualify, but the truth is, from my POV, I didn't meet the criteria and that is fair enough. I still was really proud of my efforts on the show.
Also, I agree its not fair to start throwing the cat amongst the pigeons and suggesting that the draw was rigged as that is disrespectful, not only to the production team but also to Jeff and myself. There were no irregularities where the draw was made. Everyone who was invited back was invited back on merit and the right choices were made.
Finally, wishing all competitors the best of luck with the CoC. It will be epic!
Best,
Robin
Anyone who made it to a semi final is CoC material as far as I'm concerned. The only pity is that there were only 16 spaces allocated for 24 contenders.
Agreed.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:31 pmthe only three of the top 16 who weren't invited were 14, 15 and 16, so while I wouldn't necessarily have invited the exact same group of people that were invited, I don't think what has happened is the worst thing ever.
I didn't accuse them of not having charisma. Read it again. I criticised Damian's audacity in trying to blame the 'community' (quote marks courtesy of 'Countdown Team' btw) for Moose's refusal to return. It is part of THEIR JOB to round up former contestants for events like CoC. If you can't manage to get someone excited about an all expenses paid trip, to stay in a scenic riverside spot, to participate in a game you enjoy, with months of advance notice... you are doing something wrong. Deflecting the blame for that, suggests narcissism might be a factor.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:23 am I saw a strange comment from L'oisleatch McGraw earlier on this thread, where he moaned about the CoC lineup... and, in a bizarre twist, tried to blame the production staff members for not having enough "charisma". Crazy shit!
They admitted it was "fixed", it was engineered to keep people from the same series away from one another... So if you are going to bother engineering it (in that retarded way) then why not engineer it a little further to keep the seeds apart, thereby improving its worth as a competitive event? Again... not hard to do. And if Damian does not care enough about CoC to take the time to do those sorts of basic things, perhaps it's time to hand the reins to someone with more zeal.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:23 am Ah, the familiar chorus of "that draw's fixed!" I wondered when we'd get to that.
They are unlikely to reply, but if they did:-Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:23 am Personally I am highly looking forward to Countdown Team's reply to your public accusation that they fixed the draw, your suggestion that they "owe" players who didn't make the draw, and that bizarre insult against their production staff which seemed to come out of nowhere.
And that's why Jen calls you 'God'... So clever. You see right through me!Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:23 am Of course, this could all be because they didn't include you in the draw
And after they read your reply, they will marvel at the strength of your tongue.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:23 am but after they read your post I doubt they're going to have any regrets about that decision.
Okay, here's what you wrote:L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:04 amI didn't accuse them of not having charisma. Read it again.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:23 am I saw a strange comment from L'oisleatch McGraw earlier on this thread, where he moaned about the CoC lineup... and, in a bizarre twist, tried to blame the production staff members for not having enough "charisma". Crazy shit!
What meaning do you expect readers to take from "employ new staff members with enough charisma"? It's a totally uncalled-for swipe at the production staff. Out of the whole of your original post, I thought this was what most needed challenging, far more than any comments about how the draw was done, or who got invited and who didn't, which you'd expect in any CoC thread.L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:58 am e) I saw a strange comment from Countdown Team earlier on this thread, where they moaned about their inability to secure Moose for COC... and in a bizarre twist, tried to blame the fan community for their inadequacy. Crazy shit! Please own your failings, and in future do a better job at incentivising COC to former contestants... or if deemed necessary, employ new staff members with enough charisma to carry out that task effectively. It's not like it's hard.
I've got no reason to believe they'd lie about Moose's reasons, have you? If someone declined their invitation to CoC because they were being pestered by one or more members of our community, is that not a "red flag", in the sense that it's a good enough reason for us to stop and think how we can prevent the same from happening again?L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:04 am I criticised Damian's audacity in trying to blame the 'community' (quote marks courtesy of 'Countdown Team' btw) for Moose's refusal to return. It is part of THEIR JOB to round up former contestants for events like CoC. If you can't manage to get someone excited about an all expenses paid trip, to stay in a scenic riverside spot, to participate in a game you enjoy, with months of advance notice... you are doing something wrong. Deflecting the blame for that, suggests narcissism might be a factor.
I was very surprised when you (and some others) just unquestioningly accepted that criticism of the fan community as though it were gospel... and went so far as to comment that it "looks like a whacking great red flag". It puts me in mind of a person in an abusive relationship who believes it's somehow her fault that her husband beats her. It's not your fault. (It's not your fault.)
This is what Team said about the draw:L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:04 am They admitted it was "fixed", it was engineered to keep people from the same series away from one another... So if you are going to bother engineering it (in that retarded way) then why not engineer it a little further to keep the seeds apart, thereby improving its worth as a competitive event? Again... not hard to do. And if Damian does not care enough about CoC to take the time to do those sorts of basic things, perhaps it's time to hand the reins to someone with more zeal.
And this is what you said:Countdown Team wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:15 pm Lots of conjecture over the draw for the C of C.
Conspiracy, fixing, agendas etc, when in truth, the only thing that was pre-ordained prior to the draw was keeping people apart from the same series they played in.
Granted, there are some series winners who play each other in the first round, but so what. It's called Champion of Champions for a reason. At the end, there will be a winner, and that winner will have deserved it. Nothing was ever rigged or fixed or agenda driven or whatever other bullshit terms people wish to use, so there you have it.
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:58 am On both lists it is clear that the #1 seed should be Zarte, and #2 should be Paul. That's a no brainer. Who in their right mind would pit them against each other in the first round when, on paper, that should be the Grand Final? Whether it was done through apathy or stupidity... there's no excusing torpedoing the competition in that way. If it had been a random draw, fair enough -but it wasn't. Someone intentionally planned it that way.
So when you talked about the Zarte-Paul match, and immediately afterwards said "someone intentionally planned it that way", you didn't mean Zarte and Paul were deliberately put together in the first round, you were in fact referring to the deliberate keeping-apart of players from the same series? Do you think that's clear from what you wrote?L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:04 am 1. That they "fixed" the draw is not a baseless accusation. It is a fact. They already admitted that it was "fixed" (your choice of word) to keep players from meeting others from their own series. So there we have it. No big deal. And not nearly as sinister or legalistic as your language suggests.
I'th althreathy thpenth thore etherthy thath thor thosth thetherveth tho I'th thoph there.L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:04 amAnd after they read your reply, they will marvel at the strength of your tongue.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:23 am but after they read your post I doubt they're going to have any regrets about that decision.
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Actually some of the early ones were. The first six I think.Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:46 pm COC10 aside (when K Ogilvie and S Mearns had to be given byes because they only had 5 episodes to use), they've never been seeded, so I don't like seeding them.
It was something I vaguely wondered about. Have people actually been put off to a later series? Is this definitely a thing?And no, I don't think the answer is blocking out a series with mostly non-Apterites, as has clearly been done in S79.
Jon Culshaw is in the various pictures people have posted on Facebook, so it was probably him. Or perhaps he was the reserve contestant.
Heh thanksGraeme Cole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:41 pmJon Culshaw is in the various pictures people have posted on Facebook, so it was probably him. Or perhaps he was the reserve contestant.
NoJohnny Canuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:16 pm Were any of the CoC shows billed as being the 7000th episode? Officially that won't be until the second week of Series 80 proper, but the celebrations of "thousandth" episodes have tended to be slightly before the actual ones.