C of C Draw......
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C of C Draw......
C of C FIXTURES
MONDAY OCTOBER 1ST
1. JONATHAN WYNN V PHIL DAVIES
2. ANNE DIBBEN V JOHN COWEN
3. MATTHEW TASSIER V DOUGIE MACKAY
4. THOMAS CAREY V STEPHEN READ
5. PAUL ERDUNAST V ZARTE SIEMPRE
TUESDAY OCTOBER 2ND
6. TOM CHAFER-COOK V MARTIN HURST
7. BRADLEY HORROCKS V ANDREW MACLEOD
8. PHILIP ASTON V NOEL MCILVENNY
9. WINNER GAME 1 V WINNER GAME 8
10. WINNER GAME 2 V WINNER GAME 7
WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 3RD
11. WINNER GAME 3 V WINNER GAME 6
12. WINNER GAME 4 V WINNER GAME 5
13. WINNER GAME 9 V WINNER GAME 12
14. WINNER GAME 10 V WINNER GAME 11
15. NO IDEA
Participants are subject to change based on availability. Anyone unable to take part will be replaced, with the substitute replacing them in the same fixture.
MONDAY OCTOBER 1ST
1. JONATHAN WYNN V PHIL DAVIES
2. ANNE DIBBEN V JOHN COWEN
3. MATTHEW TASSIER V DOUGIE MACKAY
4. THOMAS CAREY V STEPHEN READ
5. PAUL ERDUNAST V ZARTE SIEMPRE
TUESDAY OCTOBER 2ND
6. TOM CHAFER-COOK V MARTIN HURST
7. BRADLEY HORROCKS V ANDREW MACLEOD
8. PHILIP ASTON V NOEL MCILVENNY
9. WINNER GAME 1 V WINNER GAME 8
10. WINNER GAME 2 V WINNER GAME 7
WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 3RD
11. WINNER GAME 3 V WINNER GAME 6
12. WINNER GAME 4 V WINNER GAME 5
13. WINNER GAME 9 V WINNER GAME 12
14. WINNER GAME 10 V WINNER GAME 11
15. NO IDEA
Participants are subject to change based on availability. Anyone unable to take part will be replaced, with the substitute replacing them in the same fixture.
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Re: C of C Draw......
Fucking hell. The 4 people I thought would make the semi-finals, all in one quarter.
Mad.
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Re: C of C Draw......
Fixtures 4, 5, and 12 looking like a group of death here -- I pity all those who fell into it.
No Moose, eh?
No Moose, eh?
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Loser of #5 is going to be gutted.
Certainly some epic contests from the word go!
Certainly some epic contests from the word go!
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Nice to see a couple of non-Apterites in the mix, with Phil and Dougie recognised for their excellent performances in last series.
When are audience tickets likely to be available?
When are audience tickets likely to be available?
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Cool. So in terms of series we have:
73: Jonathan Wynn, Thomas Carey, Matthew Tassier (3)
74: Paul Erdunast, Ann Dibben (2)
75: Martin Hurst, Andrew Macleod (2)
76: Stephen Read (1)
77: Tom Chafer-Cook, Bradley Horrocks, John Cowen, Noel McIlvenny (4)
78: Zarte Siempre, Philip Aston, Dougie Mackay, Phil Davies (4)
73: Jonathan Wynn, Thomas Carey, Matthew Tassier (3)
74: Paul Erdunast, Ann Dibben (2)
75: Martin Hurst, Andrew Macleod (2)
76: Stephen Read (1)
77: Tom Chafer-Cook, Bradley Horrocks, John Cowen, Noel McIlvenny (4)
78: Zarte Siempre, Philip Aston, Dougie Mackay, Phil Davies (4)
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Re: C of C Draw......
How come the moose ain't gonna be there?
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Shocking that FOUR Series champions are against each other in the first round, and that the format has also been altered too...
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Either he could not make the dates, was not invited (which seems highly unlikely) or did not want to participate.
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How has the format altered?James Robinson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:18 pm Shocking that FOUR Series champions are against each other in the first round, and that the format has also been altered too...
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He didn't want to take part - largely because he was pestered online by people from the 'community'. Edit to add, it was nothing sinister, just largely over-zealous invitations to join Apto, attend Co-events and all that stuff.
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Countdown Team wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:39 pmHow has the format altered?James Robinson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:18 pm Shocking that FOUR Series champions are against each other in the first round, and that the format has also been altered too...
Countdown Team wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:14 pm C of C FIXTURES
TUESDAY OCTOBER 2ND
9. WINNER GAME 1 V WINNER GAME 8
10. WINNER GAME 2 V WINNER GAME 7
WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 3RD
11. WINNER GAME 3 V WINNER GAME 6
12. WINNER GAME 4 V WINNER GAME 5
13. WINNER GAME 9 V WINNER GAME 12
14. WINNER GAME 10 V WINNER GAME 11
15. NO IDEA
At the last CoC, the QF’s were Winner 1 v 2, Winner 3 v 4, etc., and this time you’ve reverted to the 1 v 8, 2 v 7, etc.
And yes, I realise that in the previous one before that, it was reverted again, and hasn’t been consistent all the way through the history of the show.
Some might say there might be a hidden agenda, given that 5 v 6 QF would have eliminated 3 Series champions before the semifinals..., although I’m sure it was just the unfortunate way that the draw happened, although I hope there was an independent adjudicator watching it.
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What were they pestering him for? What community is it? Apterous? Or here? I noticed the air quotesCountdown Team wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:41 pmHe didn't want to take part - largely because he was pestered online by people from the 'community'.
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'Some might say there might be a hidden agenda'
Oh dear. conspiracy alert.. As long as it is nothing to do with Brexit or the Russians, I can relax
Oh dear. conspiracy alert.. As long as it is nothing to do with Brexit or the Russians, I can relax
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Hidden agenda? Unfortunate? Independent adjudicator? Just because series champions are playing each other, and the matches within each round are being played in a different order than last time?James Robinson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:22 pm At the last CoC, the QF’s were Winner 1 v 2, Winner 3 v 4, etc., and this time you’ve reverted to the 1 v 8, 2 v 7, etc.
And yes, I realise that in the previous one before that, it was reverted again, and hasn’t been consistent all the way through the history of the show.
Some might say there might be a hidden agenda, given that 5 v 6 QF would have eliminated 3 Series champions before the semifinals..., although I’m sure it was just the unfortunate way that the draw happened, although I hope there was an independent adjudicator watching it.
If the series champions were all neatly separated, we'd all be commenting about that and how the draw didn't seem "random enough".
Best of luck to all the participants. You're all one of the 16 contestants picked to play in a competition that plenty of talented players miss out on, and which only happens every few years. So enjoy it no matter who you've been drawn to play.
What we should be paying attention to here is the news that one of the contestants was pestered enough by C4C/apterous peeps that they declined their invitation to play. I don't know the details of this, but to me that looks like a whacking great red flag.
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I agree with that last paragraph Graeme. I wanted moose there too.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:32 pmHidden agenda? Unfortunate? Independent adjudicator? Just because series champions are playing each other, and the matches within each round are being played in a different order than last time?James Robinson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:18 pm At the last CoC, the QF’s were Winner 1 v 2, Winner 3 v 4, etc., and this time you’ve reverted to the 1 v 8, 2 v 7, etc.
And yes, I realise that in the previous one before that, it was reverted again, and hasn’t been consistent all the way through the history of the show.
Some might say there might be a hidden agenda, given that 5 v 6 QF would have eliminated 3 Series champions before the semifinals..., although I’m sure it was just the unfortunate way that the draw happened, although I hope there was an independent adjudicator watching it.
If the series champions were all neatly separated, we'd all be commenting about that and how the draw didn't seem "random enough".
Best of luck to all the participants. You're all one of the 16 contestants picked to play in a competition that plenty of talented players miss out on, and which only happens every few years. So enjoy it no matter who you've been drawn to play.
What we should be paying attention to here is the news that one of the contestants was pestered enough by C4C/apterous peeps that they declined their invitation to play. I don't know the details of this, but to me that looks like a whacking great red flag.
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Some good draws, but games 4 and 5 are brutal
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But some nice draws, best of luck to everybody that is competing, I hope it is a good contest between you all.Bradley Horrocks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:05 pm Loser of #5 is going to be gutted.
Certainly some epic contests from the word go!
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Re: C of C Draw......
Waking up in my timezone to see this list, I am just as surprised to see that except Stephen Read, the rest of the Series Champions will be going against each other! Oh well, time to analyse all the players original performances which I have long forgotten (With the exception of those after Series 76) and then predict who shall win come the new year...
Of course, I'm not going to predict who is going to win each match as of now with half a year away from the air dates because:
1) We'll never know if any of these people will drop out in the next three months although it's very unlikely but I could be wrong.
2) You'll never know how people will perform with contestants from other Series...even if I do an analysis in December after the end of Series 79 it may add up to nothing I predict then. (Because I forsee that's the only time I'll be able to do this if I wish...)
I'm just disappointed that Stephen's the only person there from Series 76...like Owen said I hoped that Moose Rosser would turn up or Jeff Clayton or Wesley Jardine...but they have their reasons why they can't make it or maybe they don't want to take part again and I do respect whatever their reason was why they turned the offer down. On the other hand, I'm glad to see Noel is back, his four large solutions are probably the best since that 1997 Episode, even Rachel wanted to change the last target in SF1 of Series 77... I'm sorry if I can't remember those contestants before Series 75 because that was ages ago, see if reading the recaps will activate my memory again...
Overall, I welcome that this is an interesting draw from the Countdown Production Team...and we are going to see exciting matches. I will feel sorry for whoever is knocked out in every episode because all of them are excellent.
Lastly, to all the contestants who are taking part in two months time for the filming, I wish you all the best and good luck!
Of course, I'm not going to predict who is going to win each match as of now with half a year away from the air dates because:
1) We'll never know if any of these people will drop out in the next three months although it's very unlikely but I could be wrong.
2) You'll never know how people will perform with contestants from other Series...even if I do an analysis in December after the end of Series 79 it may add up to nothing I predict then. (Because I forsee that's the only time I'll be able to do this if I wish...)
I'm just disappointed that Stephen's the only person there from Series 76...like Owen said I hoped that Moose Rosser would turn up or Jeff Clayton or Wesley Jardine...but they have their reasons why they can't make it or maybe they don't want to take part again and I do respect whatever their reason was why they turned the offer down. On the other hand, I'm glad to see Noel is back, his four large solutions are probably the best since that 1997 Episode, even Rachel wanted to change the last target in SF1 of Series 77... I'm sorry if I can't remember those contestants before Series 75 because that was ages ago, see if reading the recaps will activate my memory again...
Overall, I welcome that this is an interesting draw from the Countdown Production Team...and we are going to see exciting matches. I will feel sorry for whoever is knocked out in every episode because all of them are excellent.
Lastly, to all the contestants who are taking part in two months time for the filming, I wish you all the best and good luck!
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Yes James, Sepp Blatter was there.James Robinson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:22 pm
Some might say there might be a hidden agenda, given that 5 v 6 QF would have eliminated 3 Series champions before the semifinals..., although I’m sure it was just the unfortunate way that the draw happened, although I hope there was an independent adjudicator watching it.
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There was a time when Series winners were kept apart in the first round.
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There is an argument to be made for it not being entirely random.David Williams wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:23 am There was a time when Series winners were kept apart in the first round.
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Little bit of stats here based on everyones totals on the show
Total
Zarte Siempre 1331
Paul Erdunast 1273
Johnathan Wynn 1244
Tom Chafer-Cook 1235
Stephen Read 1230
Ann Dibben 1209
Thomas Carey 1141
Bradley Horrocks 1136
Martin Hurst 1128
Matthew Tassier 1119
Andrew MacLeod 1119
Philip Aston 1080
John Cowen 990
Noel McIlvenny 987
Dougie Mackay 932
Phil Davies 926
Certainly interesting having the players with the two highest octotals facing off against each other in Round 1, not to mention another series champs face off. Should make for an interesting draw mind.
Good to see a wide range of contestants though, although a few names I'd have thought who'd have been invited weren't. At the same time, if like Moose, they don't want to be there for any reason, it is none of our business to know or pester them.
Total
Zarte Siempre 1331
Paul Erdunast 1273
Johnathan Wynn 1244
Tom Chafer-Cook 1235
Stephen Read 1230
Ann Dibben 1209
Thomas Carey 1141
Bradley Horrocks 1136
Martin Hurst 1128
Matthew Tassier 1119
Andrew MacLeod 1119
Philip Aston 1080
John Cowen 990
Noel McIlvenny 987
Dougie Mackay 932
Phil Davies 926
Certainly interesting having the players with the two highest octotals facing off against each other in Round 1, not to mention another series champs face off. Should make for an interesting draw mind.
Good to see a wide range of contestants though, although a few names I'd have thought who'd have been invited weren't. At the same time, if like Moose, they don't want to be there for any reason, it is none of our business to know or pester them.
Definitely not Jamie McNeill or Schrodinger's Cat....
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Ouch. Would really not like to call that. Zarte's run to the final looks particularly difficult. I could see Matthew Tassier going all the way from that draw...
The arguments about not having a random draw could end up with some people deliberately throwing their last prelim in their original series if they want to play the long game.
The arguments about not having a random draw could end up with some people deliberately throwing their last prelim in their original series if they want to play the long game.
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I don't follow Rhys - can you explain?Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm The arguments about not having a random draw could end up with some people deliberately throwing their last prelim in their original series if they want to play the long game.
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Taking cue from Graeme, I'm going to a logical extreme here, but if you imagine the best player in the history of the show appears near the end of a series and has won 7 games, they may choose to play badly in their 8th prelim and finish 6th in the series. They go on to win their series, but if CoC's are seeded, that will mean they have one fewer win than the octochamp-champs and therefore would get an easier CoC draw later on (let's say they are 8th seed out of 16), meaning they play the "favourite" in the quarter final, thereby giving them potentially easier opponents in the semi and final?Martin Hurst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:42 pmI don't follow Rhys - can you explain?Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm The arguments about not having a random draw could end up with some people deliberately throwing their last prelim in their original series if they want to play the long game.
Basically, what England did in the world cup.
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Surely the best player would want to be the number one seed, and then avoid playing the next best until the final (if they have to play them at all).Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:52 pmTaking cue from Graeme, I'm going to a logical extreme here, but if you imagine the best player in the history of the show appears near the end of a series and has won 7 games, they may choose to play badly in their 8th prelim and finish 6th in the series. They go on to win their series, but if CoC's are seeded, that will mean they have one fewer win than the octochamp-champs and therefore would get an easier CoC draw later on (let's say they are 8th seed out of 16), meaning they play the "favourite" in the quarter final, thereby giving them potentially easier opponents in the semi and final?Martin Hurst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:42 pmI don't follow Rhys - can you explain?Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm The arguments about not having a random draw could end up with some people deliberately throwing their last prelim in their original series if they want to play the long game.
Basically, what England did in the world cup.
In any case, you wouldn't necessarily go as far as full seedings, but you might have cruder groupings - maybe just have the champions apart in the first round even. Or perhaps as well as that, have the top two scoring champions in separate halves of the draw.
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Taking cue from me how?Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:52 pmTaking cue from Graeme, I'm going to a logical extreme here, but if you imagine the best player in the history of the show appears near the end of a series and has won 7 games, they may choose to play badly in their 8th prelim and finish 6th in the series. They go on to win their series, but if CoC's are seeded, that will mean they have one fewer win than the octochamp-champs and therefore would get an easier CoC draw later on (let's say they are 8th seed out of 16), meaning they play the "favourite" in the quarter final, thereby giving them potentially easier opponents in the semi and final?Martin Hurst wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:42 pmI don't follow Rhys - can you explain?Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm The arguments about not having a random draw could end up with some people deliberately throwing their last prelim in their original series if they want to play the long game.
Basically, what England did in the world cup.
As I understand it, you're saying this: someone who has won seven games, and hasn't even played the finals of their series yet, would already be thinking about possible seeding positions in a hypothetical future CoC. Not only that, but they'd decide it's in their interest to throw their eighth game, play a higher seed in their own series QF, and if they qualify for a CoC, play stronger opponents early on in that, because it might give them less strong opponents afterwards?
If anyone ever does decide this would be advantageous, good luck to them. We all enjoy someone trying to game the system in a way that's ultimately useless. And commiserations when they lose their series quarter final.
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They don't usually have a presentation for the winner of the coc like they do for regular series do they?
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They do, actually. Glitter falls from the ceiling and the winner gets a new car, £50000 and a lot of pride. It used to be £100000 but budget cuts reduced this.Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:06 pm They don't usually have a presentation for the winner of the coc like they do for regular series do they?
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Personally, I think there are some individuals who are more worthy than the one's noted on the draw. Nevertheless, the past few series in the criteria for this CoC have been of a high standard imo, so there were always going to be some who would not be able to participate. By having some Series Winners play in the 1st part would mean that the quality may detract a tad in terms of the CoC semi's and final, but surely this opens up the gap for someone who has not won the series to have a stab at glory, who are well capable of doing so.
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It's not the 16 I'd pick, but then some people might have turned down their invitations, so we don't necessarily know the first-choice list.Tom S wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:05 pm Personally, I think there are some individuals who are more worthy than the one's noted on the draw. Nevertheless, the past few series in the criteria for this CoC have been of a high standard imo, so there were always going to be some who would not be able to participate. By having some Series Winners play in the 1st part would mean that the quality may detract a tad in terms of the CoC semi's and final, but surely this opens up the gap for someone who has not won the series to have a stab at glory, who are well capable of doing so.
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Agreed, Toby McDonald and Robin McKay maybe should have featured in my view.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:21 pmIt's not the 16 I'd pick, but then some people might have turned down their invitations, so we don't necessarily know the first-choice list.Tom S wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:05 pm Personally, I think there are some individuals who are more worthy than the one's noted on the draw. Nevertheless, the past few series in the criteria for this CoC have been of a high standard imo, so there were always going to be some who would not be able to participate. By having some Series Winners play in the 1st part would mean that the quality may detract a tad in terms of the CoC semi's and final, but surely this opens up the gap for someone who has not won the series to have a stab at glory, who are well capable of doing so.
Regards,
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Graeme Cole <3Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:41 pmTaking cue from me how?Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:52 pm Taking cue from Graeme, I'm going to a logical extreme here, but if you imagine the best player in the history of the show appears near the end of a series and has won 7 games, they may choose to play badly in their 8th prelim and finish 6th in the series. They go on to win their series, but if CoC's are seeded, that will mean they have one fewer win than the octochamp-champs and therefore would get an easier CoC draw later on (let's say they are 8th seed out of 16), meaning they play the "favourite" in the quarter final, thereby giving them potentially easier opponents in the semi and final?
Basically, what England did in the world cup.
As I understand it, you're saying this: someone who has won seven games, and hasn't even played the finals of their series yet, would already be thinking about possible seeding positions in a hypothetical future CoC. Not only that, but they'd decide it's in their interest to throw their eighth game, play a higher seed in their own series QF, and if they qualify for a CoC, play stronger opponents early on in that, because it might give them less strong opponents afterwards?
If anyone ever does decide this would be advantageous, good luck to them. We all enjoy someone trying to game the system in a way that's ultimately useless. And commiserations when they lose their series quarter final.
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Lots of conjecture over the draw for the C of C.
Conspiracy, fixing, agendas etc, when in truth, the only thing that was pre-ordained prior to the draw was keeping people apart from the same series they played in.
Granted, there are some series winners who play each other in the first round, but so what. It's called Champion of Champions for a reason. At the end, there will be a winner, and that winner will have deserved it. Nothing was ever rigged or fixed or agenda driven or whatever other bullshit terms people wish to use, so there you have it.
Conspiracy, fixing, agendas etc, when in truth, the only thing that was pre-ordained prior to the draw was keeping people apart from the same series they played in.
Granted, there are some series winners who play each other in the first round, but so what. It's called Champion of Champions for a reason. At the end, there will be a winner, and that winner will have deserved it. Nothing was ever rigged or fixed or agenda driven or whatever other bullshit terms people wish to use, so there you have it.
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Why are you always lying?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:33 pmThey do, actually. Glitter falls from the ceiling and the winner gets a new car, £50000 and a lot of pride. It used to be £100000 but budget cuts reduced this.Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:06 pm They don't usually have a presentation for the winner of the coc like they do for regular series do they?
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You're right tom. In my opinion, it should have been them instead of dougie and Phil DaviesTom S wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:28 pmAgreed, Toby McDonald and Robin McKay maybe should have featured in my view.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:21 pmIt's not the 16 I'd pick, but then some people might have turned down their invitations, so we don't necessarily know the first-choice list.Tom S wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:05 pm Personally, I think there are some individuals who are more worthy than the one's noted on the draw. Nevertheless, the past few series in the criteria for this CoC have been of a high standard imo, so there were always going to be some who would not be able to participate. By having some Series Winners play in the 1st part would mean that the quality may detract a tad in terms of the CoC semi's and final, but surely this opens up the gap for someone who has not won the series to have a stab at glory, who are well capable of doing so.
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One person said that some people might say there was a hidden agenda. Anyone who commented ridiculed the notion. And furthermore . . . well, nothing actually.Countdown Team wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:15 pm Lots of conjecture over the draw for the C of C.
Conspiracy, fixing, agendas etc, when in truth, the only thing that was pre-ordained prior to the draw was keeping people apart from the same series they played in.
Granted, there are some series winners who play each other in the first round, but so what. It's called Champion of Champions for a reason. At the end, there will be a winner, and that winner will have deserved it. Nothing was ever rigged or fixed or agenda driven or whatever other bullshit terms people wish to use, so there you have it.
Re: C of C Draw......
I don't often post on this forum but here goes..Tom S wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:28 pmAgreed, Toby McDonald and Robin McKay maybe should have featured in my view.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:21 pmIt's not the 16 I'd pick, but then some people might have turned down their invitations, so we don't necessarily know the first-choice list.Tom S wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:05 pm Personally, I think there are some individuals who are more worthy than the one's noted on the draw. Nevertheless, the past few series in the criteria for this CoC have been of a high standard imo, so there were always going to be some who would not be able to participate. By having some Series Winners play in the 1st part would mean that the quality may detract a tad in terms of the CoC semi's and final, but surely this opens up the gap for someone who has not won the series to have a stab at glory, who are well capable of doing so.
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Thanks Tom S but I am happy with how I did overall on the show and wishing all the COC contestants all the very best!
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Taking cue from you as it was you who hypothesised that if TB conundrums counted towards a points total, a contestant might artificially gamble in R14 to gain extra points from two conundrums.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:41 pmTaking cue from me how?Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:52 pmTaking cue from Graeme, I'm going to a logical extreme here, but if you imagine the best player in the history of the show appears near the end of a series and has won 7 games, they may choose to play badly in their 8th prelim and finish 6th in the series. They go on to win their series, but if CoC's are seeded, that will mean they have one fewer win than the octochamp-champs and therefore would get an easier CoC draw later on (let's say they are 8th seed out of 16), meaning they play the "favourite" in the quarter final, thereby giving them potentially easier opponents in the semi and final?
Basically, what England did in the world cup.
As I understand it, you're saying this: someone who has won seven games, and hasn't even played the finals of their series yet, would already be thinking about possible seeding positions in a hypothetical future CoC. Not only that, but they'd decide it's in their interest to throw their eighth game, play a higher seed in their own series QF, and if they qualify for a CoC, play stronger opponents early on in that, because it might give them less strong opponents afterwards?
If anyone ever does decide this would be advantageous, good luck to them. We all enjoy someone trying to game the system in a way that's ultimately useless. And commiserations when they lose their series quarter final.
Why do I remember this? Because it sprung out of my first game on the show.
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You're a decent sport, Robin. It's never satisfying to have to leave people out, there's only 16 places after all, but thank you for your good grace.
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I don't think many of the people on here were really pestering moose. I for one am disappointed he won't be there but I respect his decision.James Laverty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:23 am Little bit of stats here based on everyones totals on the show
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Zarte Siempre 1331
Paul Erdunast 1273
Johnathan Wynn 1244
Tom Chafer-Cook 1235
Stephen Read 1230
Ann Dibben 1209
Thomas Carey 1141
Bradley Horrocks 1136
Martin Hurst 1128
Matthew Tassier 1119
Andrew MacLeod 1119
Philip Aston 1080
John Cowen 990
Noel McIlvenny 987
Dougie Mackay 932
Phil Davies 926
Certainly interesting having the players with the two highest octotals facing off against each other in Round 1, not to mention another series champs face off. Should make for an interesting draw mind.
Good to see a wide range of contestants though, although a few names I'd have thought who'd have been invited weren't. At the same time, if like Moose, they don't want to be there for any reason, it is none of our business to know or pester them.
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If I haven't already said, best of luck to everyone participating. This is the first time I want to get the whole series over with.
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Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:31 pmI don't think many of the people on here were really the ones pestering moose. I for one am a little sad he won't be there but I respect his decision.James Laverty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:23 am Little bit of stats here based on everyones totals on the show
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Zarte Siempre 1331
Paul Erdunast 1273
Johnathan Wynn 1244
Tom Chafer-Cook 1235
Stephen Read 1230
Ann Dibben 1209
Thomas Carey 1141
Bradley Horrocks 1136
Martin Hurst 1128
Matthew Tassier 1119
Andrew MacLeod 1119
Philip Aston 1080
John Cowen 990
Noel McIlvenny 987
Dougie Mackay 932
Phil Davies 926
Certainly interesting having the players with the two highest octotals facing off against each other in Round 1, not to mention another series champs face off. Should make for an interesting draw mind.
Good to see a wide range of contestants though, although a few names I'd have thought who'd have been invited weren't. At the same time, if like Moose, they don't want to be there for any reason, it is none of our business to know or pester them.
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I am willing to pretend to be related to this Martin Hurst chap in order to have a battle of the Hursts once the CoC dust has settled
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You should jack
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I'm disappointed I haven't seen any of your games
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Could you send a link?
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I meant should have that match against Martin.
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Re: C of C Draw......
Huh?!James Laverty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:23 am Zarte Siempre 1331
Paul Erdunast 1273
Johnathan Wynn 1244
Tom Chafer-Cook 1235
Stephen Read 1230
Ann Dibben 1209
Thomas Carey 1141
Bradley Horrocks 1136
Martin Hurst 1128
Matthew Tassier 1119
Andrew MacLeod 1119
Philip Aston 1080
John Cowen 990
Noel McIlvenny 987
Dougie Mackay 932
Phil Davies 926
(This required a double take.)
You've used the totals that these contestants achieved over 9, 10 or 11 games instead of the Octototals?!
Weird. No-one cares about that stat.
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Which stat does no one care about? Octototals right?L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:38 amHuh?!James Laverty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:23 am Zarte Siempre 1331
Paul Erdunast 1273
Johnathan Wynn 1244
Tom Chafer-Cook 1235
Stephen Read 1230
Ann Dibben 1209
Thomas Carey 1141
Bradley Horrocks 1136
Martin Hurst 1128
Matthew Tassier 1119
Andrew MacLeod 1119
Philip Aston 1080
John Cowen 990
Noel McIlvenny 987
Dougie Mackay 932
Phil Davies 926
(This required a double take.)
You've used the totals that these contestants achieved over 9, 10 or 11 games instead of the Octototals?!
Weird. No-one cares about that stat.
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I had a think about the draw. I reckon it’s manufactured* for a Zarte v Tom final. That’s the real box office encounter.
Zarte is the street favourite, slightly edgy, the indie choice.
Tom is the eye-candy, loved and adored by young and old. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t slightly distracted by his dashing good looks in our semi-final.
*I obviously don’t think this happened.
Zarte is the street favourite, slightly edgy, the indie choice.
Tom is the eye-candy, loved and adored by young and old. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t slightly distracted by his dashing good looks in our semi-final.
*I obviously don’t think this happened.
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Good, cos anyone who thinks that draw is manufactured to HELP me make a final is smoking crackNoel Mc wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:31 am I had a think about the draw. I reckon it’s manufactured* for a Zarte v Tom final. That’s the real box office encounter.
Zarte is the street favourite, slightly edgy, the indie choice.
Tom is the eye-candy, loved and adored by young and old. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t slightly distracted by his dashing good looks in our semi-final.
*I obviously don’t think this happened.
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Ok so in my opinion the final is more than likely to have Paul erdunast or Zarte but who is more than likely to be their opponent in the final? Tom Chafer cook?
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Based on points and max rates he would have to be the betting favourite from that half of the draw, although those particular metrics are slightly distorted when comparing players across this range of series due to dictionary updates that boost available points but make maxes harder to achieve.
I had a go at seeding all 16 players (stop sniggering at the back), and found that the quarter of death contains seeds 1, 3, 4 and 5! Oh and with the number 2 seed in that half of the draw too.
I had a go at seeding all 16 players (stop sniggering at the back), and found that the quarter of death contains seeds 1, 3, 4 and 5! Oh and with the number 2 seed in that half of the draw too.
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Ok. Fair enough. But you believe that tom could make the final right?Fred Mumford wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:08 am Based on points and max rates he would have to be the betting favourite from that half of the draw, although those particular metrics are slightly distorted when comparing players across this range of series due to dictionary updates that boost available points but make maxes harder to achieve.
I had a go at seeding all 16 players (stop sniggering at the back), and found that the quarter of death contains seeds 1, 3, 4 and 5! Oh and with the number 2 seed in that half of the draw too.
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Owen Carroll wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:38 pmOk. Fair enough. But you believe that tom will make the final right?Fred Mumford wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:08 am Based on points and max rates he would have to be the betting favourite from that half of the draw, although those particular metrics are slightly distorted when comparing players across this range of series due to dictionary updates that boost available points but make maxes harder to achieve.
I had a go at seeding all 16 players (stop sniggering at the back), and found that the quarter of death contains seeds 1, 3, 4 and 5! Oh and with the number 2 seed in that half of the draw too.