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Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:36 am
by Dave Preece
Mark James wrote:Martin Sinclair wrote:
I feel that winning a series doesn't mean much,
This is the kind of stupid thing Liverpool haters (I'm not a Liverpool fan btw) were saying in 2005. "Sure they won the competition but they weren't the best team in it". Well they were. That's what winning the thing means. As someone who participated in this years series all I cared about was getting my name on the trophy. I wasn't worried about max games or points totals.
Good point!
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:58 am
by Dave Preece
LOL, Mark!
Mark, I was wondered why you were laboring the Martin's name so much mark, in more-or-less every sentence you wrote. Mark.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:58 am
by Dave Preece
Mark, are you Mark, Mark?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:04 am
by Dave Preece
We cant agree to rank the KPIs in order to rank contestants, but we can - it seems - half-agree, to agree on what are the best KPIs to determine the best ever Countdown contestant?
These are:
(among others - please add...)
Winning (games and comps)
Scoring (inc' big scores and centuries)
Maxing (both of points and rounds)
ANY MORE??
If now...
We can rank all contestants in all categories and re-rank them on average across the board...
Will this finally give us a good an accurate ranking system???
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:15 am
by Zarte Siempre
Dave Preece wrote:Will this finally give us a good an accurate ranking system???
No. Nothing ever will.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:14 am
by Dave Preece
Ok is it possible we get a half credible ranking system out of it?
How do other games and sports all time ranking systems/hall of fames work?
I know it can all be a little subjective, but stats don't lie and a blind man on a gallopping horse can see that the likes of Beevers, Fell and even Holden are some of Countdown's top performers, so why on earth can't we have an ultimate, half-accurate ranking list?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:15 am
by Dave Preece
It HAS to be a combination of the following:
Winning (games and comps)
Scoring (inc' big scores and centuries)
Maxing (both of points and rounds)
Would you add more to this list of important KPIs?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:01 pm
by Zarte Siempre
Dave Preece wrote:It HAS to be a combination of the following:
Winning (games and comps)
Scoring (inc' big scores and centuries)
Maxing (both of points and rounds)
Would you add more to this list of important KPIs?
I wouldn't even add that many. Everybody has their own way of ranking. You cannot, no matter how scientifically, work out the best player. Partially because NONE of this takes into account the element of luck. If 2 people have 9's available in the first round, but one has RELATIONS and the other has PYINKADOS, the stats are going to say that the latter is probably going to have dropped 11/12 points after 1 round. Does that necessarily make them the worse player? No. And I don't believe that there are enough rounds for this to be guaranteed of balancing out.
Just allow everyone to have their own subjective list and screw trying to throw maths at it in the aim of a table that NO-ONE would agree with (probably including you)
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:33 pm
by JackHurst
If that thing about Dylan/Martin is true then I am astounded.
If he is reading this, I wonder if he can get the nine from CAAMONIGE?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:42 pm
by Martin Sinclair
EGOMANIAC
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:43 pm
by Matt Morrison
Zarte Siempre wrote:Dave Preece wrote:It HAS to be a combination of the following:
Winning (games and comps)
Scoring (inc' big scores and centuries)
Maxing (both of points and rounds)
Would you add more to this list of important KPIs?
I wouldn't even add that many. [...] If 2 people have 9's available in the first round, but one has RELATIONS and the other has PYINKADOS, the stats are going to say that the latter is probably going to have dropped 11/12 points after 1 round. Does that necessarily make them the worse player?
Let's just add more! So we need overall round difficulty and max difficulty added to the list, e.g. in this case PYINKADOS has 99% rare and RELATIONS has 2% rareness on apterous, which should factor in to assessing hitting/missing them in the rounds you mentioned.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:45 pm
by Matt Morrison
Martin Sinclair wrote:EGOMANIAC
Are you going to Colin Dylan? And will you be fighting Ryan this time? (I think it was Ryan you were going to fight before but correct me if I'm wrong.)
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:49 pm
by Zarte Siempre
Matt Morrison wrote:Martin Sinclair wrote:EGOMANIAC
Are you going to Colin Dylan? And will you be fighting Ryan this time? (I think it was Ryan you were going to fight before but correct me if I'm wrong.)
Should I start a book?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:50 pm
by Martin Sinclair
Yep, already paid. Not sure about the hangover, though. It was Ryan, yes, but I'm not sure if either of us are interested now.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:45 pm
by Heather Styles
Graeme, can you tell us how many contestants have accelerated with a mic clipped and how this relates to % of maxes scored?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:02 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Matt Morrison wrote:Martin Sinclair wrote:EGOMANIAC
Are you going to Colin Dylan? And will you be fighting Ryan this time? (I think it was Ryan you were going to fight before but correct me if I'm wrong.)
Was this fight going to be about something or was it more like a friendly eating competition?
(I'm specifically asking Graeme.)
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:37 am
by Zarte Siempre
Heather Styles wrote:Graeme, can you tell us how many contestants have accelerated with a mic clipped and how this relates to % of maxes scored?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:44 pm
by Phyl Styles
Is there a list of highest female scores on CD anywhere to be found? I'm sure it would be a lamentably small list ...
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:38 pm
by JackHurst
Have any contestants been in the had the same celebrity guest for more then 5 episodes?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:40 pm
by JackHurst
I think I might be the contestant to have featured in the most episodes with Rachel Riley. For each of the other presenters/lexicographers/arithmeticians the show has had, which contestant(s) have they been in the most episodes together with?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:20 pm
by Innis Carson
JackHurst wrote:Have any contestants been in the had the same celebrity guest for more then 5 episodes?
Kirk Bevins had Phil Hammond for 8 episodes. It must be pretty rare though.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:55 pm
by Callum Todd
JackHurst wrote:Have any contestants been in the had the same celebrity guest for more then 5 episodes?
I think Dylan might have had Dan Walker for 6 episodes. Not 100% sure on that one though.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:15 pm
by Jack Worsley
Callum Todd wrote:JackHurst wrote:Have any contestants been in the had the same celebrity guest for more then 5 episodes?
I think Dylan might have had Dan Walker for 6 episodes. Not 100% sure on that one though.
It was only four (three in his heats and one in the finals). I think Graeme had Jon Culshaw for six episodes.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:30 pm
by James Robinson
Ed McCullagh had Gregg Wallace 5 times (3 in heats and 2 in finals) and Martin Lewis 6 times (5 in heats and once in the 30BC).
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:34 pm
by Graeme Cole
Phyl Styles wrote:Is there a list of highest female scores on CD anywhere to be found? I'm sure it would be a lamentably small list ...
Sadly not, since the wiki doesn't record the gender of contestants. Jen has the highest octotototal (952) and single-game score (
130).
Linda Dawe has the second highest single-game score and
Grace Page the second highest over eight games. After that I'm not sure.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:37 pm
by Graeme Cole
JackHurst wrote:Have any contestants been in the had the same celebrity guest for more then 5 episodes?
The full list is this...
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CONTESTANT GUEST
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Clive Freedman Gyles Brandreth 10
Allan Simmons William Rushton 9
Mark Nyman Ned Sherrin 9
Phil Jordan Jan Harvey 9
Sheila Mann Kenneth Williams 8
Harry Venet Ned Sherrin 8
Robert Richland Gyles Brandreth 8
Darryl Francis Gyles Brandreth 8
Olivia Lloyd Richard Stilgoe 8
Peter Evans Gyles Brandreth 8
Allan Saldanha Clement Freud 8
Norman Christian Philip Franks 8
Don Reid Jan Harvey 8
Anthony Jenkin Geoffrey Durham 8
David Acton Jan Harvey 8
Kirk Bevins Dr Phil Hammond 8
William Bradford Gyles Brandreth 7
Nic Brown Nigel Rees 7
Dick Green Richard Stilgoe 7
Jenny Haldane Ned Sherrin 7
Jonathan Anstey Eve Pollard 7
Lindsay Denyer Bill Tidy 7
Anne Lyng Sylvia Syms 7
Alan Payne Simon Williams 7
Mary Horswill Philip Franks 7
Craig Douglas Philip Franks 7
Keith Burton Geoffrey Durham 7
David Williams Martin Jarvis 7
Chris Cummins Richard Digance 7
Pete Cashmore Geoffrey Durham 7
Richard Pay Michael Aspel 7
Paul Howe Richard Digance 7
Michael Goldman Ted Moult 6
Michael Wylie Kenneth Williams 6
Ivy Baird Gyles Brandreth 6
Esther Byers Ned Sherrin 6
Mike Willis Gyles Brandreth 6
June Madell Gyles Brandreth 6
Robert Violett Gyles Brandreth 6
Adam Gilinsky Richard Stilgoe 6
Tim O'Kane John Junkin 6
Julian Hough Bill Tidy 6
Clive Spate Steve Jones 6
Y.T. (Paul White) Gyles Brandreth 6
Andy Keeble Gyles Brandreth 6
Laurie Silver Gyles Brandreth 6
David Trace Eve Pollard 6
Geoffrey Taylor Bill Tidy 6
Mick Keeble Bill Tidy 6
Harvey Freeman Lee Peck 6
Michael Stephenson Gyles Brandreth 6
John Clarke Russell Harty 6
Stephen Deakin Nigel Rees 6
Nigel Gardner Richard Stilgoe 6
Derek Stuart-Clark Simon Williams 6
Joan Orchard Ernie Wise 6
Roy Bendall Ernie Wise 6
Fiona Willis Brian Johnston 6
Lew Schwarz Nigel Rees 6
Robert Teuton Frazer Hines 6
Wayne Summers Rula Lenska 6
Richard Onions Nigel Rees 6
Barry Grossman Richard Stilgoe 6
Chris Feetenby David Jacobs 6
Damian Eadie Denis Norden 6
Andy Cusworth David Jacobs 6
Graham Cross Jan Harvey 6
Dennis Fearon Philip Franks 6
Satbir Gupta Jan Harvey 6
Maria Boyes Richard Digance 6
Gerry Pearce Angela Rippon 6
Pat Peacock Anne Gregg 6
Nick Buttle Angela Rippon 6
Andrew Lucas Tim Rice 6
Kate Ogilvie Diane Keen 6
Terry Knowles Jo Brand 6
Terence English Denis Norden 6
Peter Hutchings David Steel 6
Simon Cooper Tom O'Connor 6
Sanjay Mazumder Marc Freden 6
Margaret Foster Vijay Amritraj 6
Rodney Marrison Philip Franks 6
Graham Nash Tom O'Connor 6
John Harrison Richard Stilgoe 6
David Hoskisson David Jacobs 6
Stuart Wood Tom O'Connor 6
Craig Richardson Sally Magnusson 6
Jim Bentley Richard Digance 6
Nicki Sellars John Parrott 6
Graeme Cole Jon Culshaw 6
Edward McCullagh Martin Lewis 6
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:42 pm
by Ben Wilson
Dear Awesome Graeme,
I noticed the other day that I appeared on the show on
the same day, ten years apart. Has anybody else made two or more appearances on the same calendar day (in different years, obviously)?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:00 pm
by Graeme Cole
JackHurst wrote:I think I might be the contestant to have featured in the most episodes with Rachel Riley.
Correct. You have 17, Jonathan Rawlinson 16, Kirk Bevins 15 and Chris Davies and Jack Worsley 14.
JackHurst wrote:For each of the other presenters/lexicographers/arithmeticians the show has had, which contestant(s) have they been in the most episodes together with?
Allan Saldanha and Tim Morrissey both had 21 appearances with Carol as arithmetician.
Hosts
Richard Whiteley: Allan Saldanha and Tim Morrissey with 21 again.
Des Lynam: Conor Travers with 14.
Des O'Connor: Junaid Mubeen, Nick Wainwright, Jeffrey Hansford, Craig Beevers, David O'Donnell and Charlie Reams all had 11 appearances.
Jeff Stelling: Kirk Bevins and Chris Davies with 12 appearances each.
Nick Hewer (up to end of series 69): Jonathan Rawlinson appeared 16 times.
Lexicographers
Because there have been so many lexicographers, I'll limit this to only those lexicographers who appeared with the same player ten or more times.
Susie Dent: Conor Travers (20)
Catherine Clarke: Hilary Hopper (12)
Mark Nyman: Kate Ogilvie (11)
Richard Samson: Don Reid and Grace Page (11)
Julia Swannell: Allan Saldanha (10)
Damian Eadie: David Ballheimer and Tim Robinson (10)
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:26 pm
by Graeme Cole
Ben Wilson wrote:Dear Awesome Graeme,
I noticed the other day that I appeared on the show on
the same day, ten years apart. Has anybody else made two or more appearances on the same calendar day (in different years, obviously)?
18 people have done this, which was more than I thought it would be before I ran the query.
The list of all games shown on the same day as another game featuring the same player is as follows.
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NAME EPISODE AIR DATE SERIES
Ben Wilson 3394 2003-01-10 Championship of Champions XI
Ben Wilson 5618 2013-01-10 30th Birthday Championship
Chris Wills 3168 2002-01-16 Series 47
Chris Wills 3398 2003-01-16 Championship of Champions XI
Chris Wills 3172 2002-01-22 Series 47
Chris Wills 3402 2003-01-22 Championship of Champions XI
Chris Wills 3173 2002-01-23 Series 47
Chris Wills 5627 2013-01-23 30th Birthday Championship
Clive Freedman 1862 1996-10-18 Series 33
Clive Freedman 293 1985-10-18 Series 7
David O'Donnell 4532 2008-02-04 Series 58
David O'Donnell 5635 2013-02-04 30th Birthday Championship
Harshan Lamabadusuriya 1908 1996-12-30 Series 34
Harshan Lamabadusuriya 2164 1997-12-30 Championship of Champions IX
Harvey Freeman 1874 1996-11-05 Series 33
Harvey Freeman 462 1986-11-05 Series 10
Ian Bebbington 1872 1996-11-01 Series 33
Ian Bebbington 303 1985-11-01 Series 7
Jackie McLeod 1079 1991-01-15 Series 21
Jackie McLeod 5621 2013-01-15 30th Birthday Championship
John Wallace 401 1986-04-03 Championship of Champions II
John Wallace M1 1989-04-03 Masters Series 1
Jon Marsh 559 1987-05-01 Series 12
Jon Marsh M5 1989-05-01 Masters Series 1
Joyce Cansfield 1878 1996-11-11 Series 33
Joyce Cansfield 7 1982-11-11 Series 1
Joyce Cansfield 1903 1996-12-16 Series 33
Joyce Cansfield 27 1982-12-16 Series 1
Julian Hough 330 1985-12-10 Series 7
Julian Hough M89 1990-12-10 Masters Series 2
June Madell 212 1984-11-21 Series 5
June Madell 5818 2013-11-21 Series 69
Laurie Silver 236 1985-01-08 Series 6
Laurie Silver M41 1990-01-08 Masters Series 1
Liz Wilcox 448 1986-10-16 Series 10
Liz Wilcox M29 1989-10-16 Masters Series 1
Neil Zussman 4762 2009-02-20 Series 60
Neil Zussman 5647 2013-02-20 30th Birthday Championship
Sydney Price 146 1984-04-24 Series 4
Sydney Price M4 1989-04-24 Masters Series 1
Tim Morrissey 1900 1996-12-11 Series 33
Tim Morrissey M37 1989-12-11 Masters Series 1
Joyce Cansfield did it twice, and Chris Wills did it three times. Jackie McLeod appeared on the same day 22 years apart. June Madell appeared on the same day 29 years apart.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:57 pm
by JackHurst
Nice work Graeme, thanks. Good question by Ben.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:40 am
by sean d
Great stuff Graeme. Now the obvious follow up.... who has appeared with most different hosts /guests etc?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:27 pm
by JackHurst
Graeme, please could you produce the list of 7 letter words that always appear as a max if available in the selection? It would be interesting to see how many such words there are, and once the list is produced it would be a useful list for anybody who wants to improve their letters to learn.
Could you also do the same for 6 letter words? I imagine the list would be empty.
If you still have time on your hands, could you produce the list of 6 letter words that you cannot add letters to and reorder to get a 7, 8 or 9?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:55 pm
by Fred Mumford
Graeme, which players have appeared on the show more than once and lost every time? The rather unlucky James Hall springs to mind, ironically.
Secondly, which players have lost to the same player more than once? (including examples like Junaid v Charlie, where the final score was 1-2).
Many thanks.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:49 pm
by Mark James
Fred Mumford wrote:Graeme, which players have appeared on the show more than once and lost every time? The rather unlucky James Hall springs to mind, ironically.
Graeme, why would that be ironic?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:03 pm
by Fred Mumford
Mark James wrote:why would that be ironic?
Because the man I'm asking is partly to blame.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:51 pm
by Ian Volante
Fred Mumford wrote:Mark James wrote:why would that be ironic?
Because the man I'm asking is partly to blame.
Is this from the Morissette school of irony?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:08 pm
by Fred Mumford
Ian Volante wrote:Is this from the Morissette school of irony?
Not at all - someone having a hit record called "Ironic" without knowing the meaning of ironic is pretty ironic. Isn't it?
My use of the word is hardly misuse to "a traffic jam when you're already late" levels, surely?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:51 pm
by Callum Todd
Fred Mumford wrote:Ian Volante wrote:Is this from the Morissette school of irony?
Not at all - someone having a hit record called "Ironic" without knowing the meaning of ironic is pretty ironic. Isn't it?
My use of the word is hardly misuse to "a traffic jam when you're already late" levels, surely?
ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife. So ironic.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:57 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Arguing over the meaning of "ironic" has got to be in the top ten of common Internet debates.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:35 pm
by Ian Volante
Gavin Chipper wrote:Arguing over the meaning of "ironic" has got to be in the top ten of common Internet debates.
Always fun to get such an argument going.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:10 am
by Zarte Siempre
It's a little bit moronic... don't you think?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:26 am
by Gavin Chipper
Yes. Nice.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:39 am
by Mark James
Ian Volante wrote:Gavin Chipper wrote:Arguing over the meaning of "ironic" has got to be in the top ten of common Internet debates.
Always fun to get such an argument going.
Things are either ironic or they're not. It's a simple thing to get right really. Unless you want to argue about what "ironic" actually means, in which case I could see where a problem might arise. For all the different ways I understand that the word ironic could be interpreted, including where I can understand a bit of leeway could be shown towards a particular meaning, the sentence I referenced hasn't come close to fulfilling any such creditable criteria as far as I can see, which is why I brought it up. It's kind of a half joke. I'm actually willing to accept that it is ironic. If it is, Graeme, as busy as he is answering far more important questions in this thread in fairness, could be expected to answer whether it is or not. As much as I didn't think the question was in any way ironic, I was willing to accept that maybe it was and that I just couldn't see how it was and hoped that maybe Graeme could explain why it was.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:49 am
by Mark James
Fred Mumford wrote:Mark James wrote:why would that be ironic?
Because the man I'm asking is partly to blame.
Again, why would that be ironic? It may be my understanding of the word ironic is actually wrong which is fair enough. If it is, please explain to me the definition. As I say, in one sense I was trying to make a joke but at the same time I honestly would like to know the exact definition of the word ironic so that I can use it properly should the need arise.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:09 am
by Ian Volante
Mark James wrote:Ian Volante wrote:Gavin Chipper wrote:Arguing over the meaning of "ironic" has got to be in the top ten of common Internet debates.
Always fun to get such an argument going.
It's a simple thing to get right really.
Now that's ironic.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:15 pm
by Fred Mumford
Wish I had just used "coincidentally" instead
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:54 pm
by Mark James
I knew I had done something stupid on the internet last night. I should really avoid the computer when I come in from the pub.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:07 pm
by Adam Gillard
Fred clearly meant 'ironic' in the sense where it is synonymous with 'ferrous'.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:01 am
by Fred Mumford
How ironic is it to be mocked by apterites for not knowing the correct meaning of a word?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:34 am
by JackHurst
Everybody shut up about irony and get back on topic.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:28 am
by Jon Stitcher
How many contestants have found a 9 letter word which their opponent did not find and gone on to lose the game?
I assume in the 9 round era this must have been incredibly rare.
What's the biggest victory in these circumstances? I know I lost by 37 despite finding a 9 my opponent did not.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:21 am
by Jon Stitcher
0 max games....
Obviously the games where players scored 0 were zero max games I just wondered how many contestants scored 0 maxes in a game, did any player win whilst scoring 0 maxes, what's the fewest number of maxes a winner has scored, any games where neither player hit a max?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:30 pm
by James S Roper
Jon Stitcher wrote:0 max games....
Obviously the games where players scored 0 were zero max games I just wondered how many contestants scored 0 maxes in a game, did any player win whilst scoring 0 maxes, what's the fewest number of maxes a winner has scored, any games where neither player hit a max?
I'm sure there's an advance on this, but the best answer I can recall is this game:
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5734 winner scored 3 maxes, other scored 0.
My question to Graeme may be near-impossible to answer, but from recorded history, who's scored the highest in an individual game at Co:Lin?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:40 pm
by Jon Stitcher
That one's only 2 maxes for the winner, James. But when I watched this one I had the distinct impression that Gen was trying to score 0.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:54 pm
by Ben Wilson
James S Roper wrote:Jon Stitcher wrote:0 max games....
Obviously the games where players scored 0 were zero max games I just wondered how many contestants scored 0 maxes in a game, did any player win whilst scoring 0 maxes, what's the fewest number of maxes a winner has scored, any games where neither player hit a max?
I'm sure there's an advance on this, but the best answer I can recall is this game:
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5734 winner scored 3 maxes, other scored 0.
My question to Graeme may be near-impossible to answer, but from recorded history, who's scored the highest in an individual game at Co:Lin?
Graeme's not the only one with a comprehensive database.
Jon Corby scored 88 in a game in 2011, the second year in a row he topped the high game score charts (he had 83 in 2010).
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:52 pm
by Thomas Carey
Ben Wilson wrote:James S Roper wrote:Jon Stitcher wrote:0 max games....
Obviously the games where players scored 0 were zero max games I just wondered how many contestants scored 0 maxes in a game, did any player win whilst scoring 0 maxes, what's the fewest number of maxes a winner has scored, any games where neither player hit a max?
I'm sure there's an advance on this, but the best answer I can recall is this game:
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5734 winner scored 3 maxes, other scored 0.
My question to Graeme may be near-impossible to answer, but from recorded history, who's scored the highest in an individual game at Co:Lin?
Graeme's not the only one with a comprehensive database.
Jon Corby scored 88 in a game in 2011, the second year in a row he topped the high game score charts (he had 83 in 2010).
James Roper got 88 against me at COLIN yesterday.
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:00 pm
by James S Roper
Ben Wilson wrote:James S Roper wrote:Jon Stitcher wrote:0 max games....
Obviously the games where players scored 0 were zero max games I just wondered how many contestants scored 0 maxes in a game, did any player win whilst scoring 0 maxes, what's the fewest number of maxes a winner has scored, any games where neither player hit a max?
I'm sure there's an advance on this, but the best answer I can recall is this game:
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5734 winner scored 3 maxes, other scored 0.
My question to Graeme may be near-impossible to answer, but from recorded history, who's scored the highest in an individual game at Co:Lin?
Graeme's not the only one with a comprehensive database.
Jon Corby scored 88 in a game in 2011, the second year in a row he topped the high game score charts (he had 83 in 2010).
Haha, sorry, I probably should have asked you on that one, I just thought because Graeme did all the IT that for some reason he'd be the one with all of the results. Not the most logical of thinking there.
And does that mean that I tied the highest score in an individual game at my first ever Co:Event? Woo
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:44 pm
by Graeme Cole
JackHurst wrote:Graeme, please could you produce the list of 7 letter words that always appear as a max if available in the selection? It would be interesting to see how many such words there are, and once the list is produced it would be a useful list for anybody who wants to improve their letters to learn.
I'm using a rather old word list, so there might be mistakes in this.
Here is a list of sevens which are always the maximum if they appear in a nine-letter selection. More precisely, it's the list of sevens for which no eight-letter word exists that has six or more letters in common with it, and whose letters do not all appear in a nine. Note that some of them can't appear on Countdown anyway, such as PIZZAZZ, as there's only one Z in the pack.
AFFABLY
BAOBABS
BENZENE
BETWIXT
BOFFINY
BUDDHUS
DOUDOUS
DUMDUMS
FIZGIGS
FIZZOGS
FUZZILY
GROKKED
GUEUZES
JAZZBOS
JAZZMEN
KAHAWAI
KOKAKOS
KOKOWAI
MAMMARY
MOUJIKS
MUMMIFY
MUUMUUS
MYTHIFY
MZUNGUS
PAWPAWS
PHARYNX
PIZZAZZ
QAWWALI
SEPPUKU
UFOLOGY
WEEJUNS
WHUMPED
WOOZILY
WYSIWYG
YUPPIFY
ZYMURGY
JackHurst wrote:Could you also do the same for 6 letter words? I imagine the list would be empty.
Yes, it is. There doesn't seem to be a six letter word which does not have at least four letters in common with some seven letter word.
JackHurst wrote:If you still have time on your hands, could you produce the list of 6 letter words that you cannot add letters to and reorder to get a 7, 8 or 9?
Isn't this the same thing as a six that's always the max?
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:10 pm
by Graeme Cole
Fred Mumford wrote:Graeme, which players have appeared on the show more than once and lost every time? The rather unlucky James Hall springs to mind, ironically.
Secondly, which players have lost to the same player more than once? (including examples like Junaid v Charlie, where the final score was 1-2).
Many thanks.
33 contestants have appeared twice and not won. Nobody has appeared more times than that without a win. In all cases, the second appearance was in another heat game unless otherwise stated. Here they are in order of first appearance...
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FIRST GAME SECOND GAME
David Myerscough 1983-04-12 1983-06-10 *
Margaret Reid 1983-05-06 1985-11-15
Malcolm Erridge 1985-02-07 1990-10-01 **
Brenda Widger 1986-10-30 2013-07-26
Garry Preston 1989-07-31 2008-11-14
Steve McNab 1990-01-04 1990-05-07 **
Neil Collins 1990-02-08 1990-08-27 **
Chris Bergman 1990-08-14 2009-07-06
Eric Emslie 1992-01-06 2013-10-09
James Squires 1992-07-23 1999-05-27
Barbara Wylde 1992-07-28 1993-03-02
Martin Howell 1993-09-02 1994-08-05
Paul Henderson 1994-01-13 1994-09-12
Raymond Tate 1997-03-11 2013-09-05
Alex Davis 1998-03-20 1998-09-03
Margaret Read 1998-06-16 2007-07-16
Mike Moran 1998-08-04 2009-07-02
Ross Mackenzie 1998-10-29 2009-09-03
Ola Odutola 1999-09-20 2005-04-06
John Blaker 1999-10-28 2013-10-01
Daphne Barker 2000-05-03 2003-05-26 ***
Ian Williams 2001-10-16 2012-11-27
Alan Wright 2001-12-28 2003-09-02 ***
Elfie Winterton 2002-01-01 2003-08-04 ***
Peter Brinkley 2002-03-11 2003-09-10 ***
Paul Burlinson 2002-03-19 2004-03-15 ***
Lucy Guile 2002-10-31 2004-08-30 ***
John Britton 2003-09-23 2004-04-28
Karyn Cooke 2008-01-10 2009-04-21
Phill Thorne 2010-02-05 2010-10-04
Andrew Mossford 2010-08-11 2011-02-09
James Hall 2011-03-21 2011-06-10 ****
Magnus Mackereth 2011-06-28 2012-09-14 ***
* second appearance was in the last 16 of the same series
** second appearance was in a Masters game
*** second appearance was in a special
**** not ironic
Regarding multiple losses to the same player,
Tim Morrissey played
Allan Saldanha three times and lost on each occasion. In addition to this, 18 contestants have lost to the same opponent twice.
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LOSER WINNER AIR DATES
Sydney Price Christine Hunt 1984-06-20 1989-04-24
John Clarke Harvey Freeman 1987-06-26 1996-12-18
Peter Tatlow Mike Whiteoak 1987-07-30 1987-08-21
Alan Steel Nic Brown 1987-10-22 1987-12-23
Tim Morrissey Allan Saldanha 1989-12-11 1990-07-02 1996-12-19
Roy Bendall Maurice Binks 1990-09-24 1990-12-03
Jackie McLeod Barry Grossman 1991-03-29 2013-01-15
Robert Teuton Chris Waddington 1991-09-27 1993-01-08
Andrew Bull Verity Joubert 1995-07-26 1995-09-22
Pete Cashmore Natascha Kearsey 1997-04-14 1998-01-16
Robert Jones Amy Godel 1997-06-09 1997-06-24
Janet Nelson Kate Surtees 1997-10-10 1997-12-11
Ricky Zinger Ray McPhie 1997-11-21 1997-12-12
Christine White Ray McPhie 1997-12-19 2004-08-13
Richard Saldanha Kate Ogilvie 1998-12-25 2004-07-26
Glynn Leaney Terence English 1999-06-25 2003-07-25
Junaid Mubeen Charlie Reams 2009-01-23 2010-08-16
Nicki Sellars Lee Graham 2010-04-30 2011-03-14
Jill Hayward Eileen Taylor 2013-04-24 2013-06-24
Re: Ask Graeme?
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:38 pm
by Graeme Cole
Jon Stitcher wrote:How many contestants have found a 9 letter word which their opponent did not find and gone on to lose the game?
I assume in the 9 round era this must have been incredibly rare.
What's the biggest victory in these circumstances? I know I lost by 37 despite finding a 9 my opponent did not.
71 contestants have lost despite finding a nine letter word in a round where their opponent didn't. The greatest margin of victory in these circumstances was 52, in
this game.
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EP ID AIR DATE WORD LOSER WINNER SCORE
145 1984-04-23 UNFEELING Jill Brown Sydney Price 49 59
261 1985-02-12 UNDERGONE Richard MacFarlane Sheila Alder 27 29
338 1985-12-20 CERTAINTY Julian Hough Ian Bebbington 77 82
402 1986-04-04 WATERLOGS John Wallace Peter Evans 48 55
456 1986-10-28 BREASTING Patrick Redmond David Whiting 45 59
538 1987-04-02 GUARDIANS Maurice Sobell John Clarke 56 74
704 1987-12-22 SOFTENING Eleanor Crosby Alan Steel 37 63
749 1988-06-07 ASSERTING Steve Hindle Kathleen Vickers 37 46
916 1989-09-14 REFLATION Diane Pratesi Richard Evans 48 60
1197 1991-09-27 MALINGERS Robert Teuton Chris Waddington 90 98
1368 1993-03-01 UNVISITED Michael Feaver Don Reid 52 59
1927 1997-01-24 GERANIUMS Glyn Chidley Peter Sampson 42 53
2048 1997-07-14 REPEATING Rosemary Wood Ian Brunton 42 47
2186 1998-01-29 DEFAULTER Terry Turner Gerry Pearce 50 59
2310 1998-07-22 CURTILAGE Pat Peacock John Deignan 57 63
2504 1999-04-20 BATTERIES Tessa Phelan Dorian Jeffrey 55 57
2948 2001-02-14 DESCALING Daryl Brooks Nicola Smith 58 63
3076 2001-09-10 ADVERTING Mac McDonald Geraldine Hylands 46 55
3171 2002-01-21 CHAGRINED Terry Rattle Chris Wills 107 120
3173 2002-01-23 PATRONISE Agnes Budis Chris Wills 52 92
3222 2002-04-02 TARDINESS Joe Radcliffe Rupert Stokoe 80 97
3255 2002-05-22 REVALUING Alan Sowter Mike Pullin 53 89
3294 2002-07-22 PLACEMENT David Cooper David Nickeas 62 90
3316 2002-09-10 CREMATION Michael Clarke Priscilla Munday 86 89
3325 2002-09-23 SECONDARY Robert Lee Dez Hussey 91 101
3332 2002-10-02 GRADIENTS Trish Staples Mike Brown 63 107
3554 2003-09-26 CREAMIEST Janet Chambers Bonnie White 59 78
3623 2004-01-15 IDOLATERS Jean Bridge Dennis Shepherd 78 83
3655 2004-03-01 LAUNDRIES Mo Janson Stewart Holden 84 108
3683 2004-04-15 IDOLATERS Sean Jessop Nicole Hutchings 72 79
3686 2004-04-20 VARNISHED David Minor Nicole Hutchings 68 94
3746 2004-07-21 DISLOCATE Jon Stitcher Jack Welsby 73 110
3751 2004-08-05 MARAUDING Stewart Smeed Jack Welsby 72 112
3818 2004-11-17 MANICURED Ronnie Boyd Mark Tournoff 60 111
3853 2005-01-20 DEPLETION Robert Stone Brian Roles 52 78
3910 2005-04-19 INTERNALS David Hutton Ross Allatt 80 83
3952 2005-06-22 DECANTERS Leslie Ritchings Helen Mathieson 82 88
3967 2005-11-09 POLICEMEN Maureen Sye Stuart Coxshall 75 90
4030 2006-02-08 DESPERADO Alison Campbell Paul Howe 56 93
4067 2006-03-28 COURTLIER Ken Coney Tuck Broadbent 74 91
4090 2006-04-26 NAVIGATED Julie Cameron Jan Gates 85 86
4145 2006-07-12 LAMINATES Phil Watkins Stuart Dowey 90 95
4195 2006-09-20 MEDIATING Paul Manning Richard Brittain 66 116
4227 2006-11-03 RIGHTEOUS Richard Woodward Steven Briers 62 76
4272 2007-01-15 DECORATES George Rhodes Ian Volante 93 102
4286 2007-02-02 SEDATIONS Mick Barnewell Paddy Izod 78 85
4291 2007-02-09 COPULATED Nick Gray Vivienne Mead 44 82
4358 2007-05-21 DILATIONS Chris Walledge Stewart Gordon 74 95
4359 2007-05-22 CRUMMIEST Andrew Sweet Stewart Gordon 76 106
4380 2007-06-20 TRANSIENT Aaron Webber Anita Freeland 86 97
4439 2007-09-17 INFLATERS Sam Butcher David Von Geyer 80 88
4604 2008-05-20 UNDERFOOT Nick Horton Carl Dundas 65 76
4631 2008-06-26 SPECULATE Brian Gregory Lee Simmonds 69 91
4720 2008-11-26 DATELINES Daryl Hawes Steve Elcock 73 81
4791 2009-04-08 DUPLICATE Fiona Chambers Andrew Pearson 68 89
4866 2009-07-22 ARRESTING Carol Warren Paul Varlaam 82 87
4889 2009-09-21 TOLERATED Russell Langdown Jeffrey Burgin 75 91
4968 2010-01-29 NEMATODES James Rawson Howard Lovelady 76 81
4998 2010-03-12 CAPTIONED Stuart Inglis Kevin Davis 73 80
5060 2010-06-15 BLATHERED Peter Zyss Craig Chittenden 76 98
5094 2010-08-23 DETAINING Jean Miles Tom Rowell 74 87
5161 2010-11-24 COMPENDIA Mark Bannister Niall Young 83 97
5305 2011-07-12 DISPERSER Jon Elmer Mark Deeks 89 94
5401 2012-01-11 LOTTERIES Barry Williams Jack Worsley 67 103
5453 2012-04-02 OUTSIDERS Alison Shipman John Bird 73 94
5459 2012-04-10 UNCREATED Spencer Taylor Rob Gibney 49 101
5514 2012-06-26 OUTMANNED Suzi Purcell Nick Hall 80 86
5611 2012-12-18 VINDICATE Liam Shaw Rose Boyle 83 90
5715 2013-06-14 STATIONED Peter Fenton Giles Hutchings 86 109
5781 2013-10-01 FLOUNDERS John Blaker Callum Todd 55 79
5822 2013-11-27 MAGNETISE Robin Gray Jonathan Liew 66 68