[20080530] Friday's game, 30th May 2008, S58 G104

[DaveC]

Countdown recap for Friday 30th May 2008

C1: Champion Jonathan Coles, ( 3 wins, 290 points, 2/3 conundrums )
C2: Challenger Simon Jackson *

* Simon is a trainee secondary school teacher. Apart from that he seems to be in otherwise good health.

DC: Susie Dent and Tom O'Connor
CV: Carol Vorderman
OT: Other words or solutions.
DC: Appearing in numbers rounds is my solution.
GS: Generated solution (numbers round)

R01: N R B A I D R O I
R02: L G R E O V A S P
R03: L S M I E R C G U
R04: S T X E O I P T R
R05: 100 10 3 6 7 2. Target: 851
TTT: SAYSLOVE - "Are these Jimmy's favourite bangers?"
R06: S A M G E R A C B
R07: T L S I E H K A T
R08: R L T E I A D T U
R09: P T N I A J M D E
R10: 100 3 6 8 3 10. Target: 773
TTT: SEAMLOUT - "Was this Marvin's best friend?"
R11: N F S A E N R Q E
R12: D N S U O M E N P
R13: W S D O E T C A L
R14: 2 6 3 1 3 2. Target: 303
R15: D U P E M I N C E (conundrum)

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R01: N R B A I D R O I
C1: BROAD (5)
C2: BAIRN (5)
DC: INBOARD, BARRIO, RABID
OT: RAINBIRD (8), ROBINIA, INROAD, ORDAIN, RIBAND
Score: 5-5 (max 8)


R02: L G R E O V A S P
C1: OVERLAPS (8)
C2: PAVERS
DC: PERGOLAS (8)
OT: GAOLERS, GLOVERS, GRAVELS, GROVELS, LOVAGES, PAROLES, PERGOLA, PLOVERS, PROLEGS, REPOSAL, VERGLAS
Score: 13-5 (max 16)


R03: L S M I E R C G U
C1: MISRULE
C2: CLUMSIER (8)
OT: MUSCLIER (8), LURGIES, MISRULE, MURICES, 27 sixes
Score: 13-13 (max 24)


R04: S T X E O I P T R
C1: POTTIER
C2: SPOTTIER (8)
OT: EXPORTS, EXTORTS, POTTERS, POTTIER, POTTIES, POXIEST, PROTEST, PROTIST, PROXIES, RIPOSTE, ROPIEST, SPITTER, SPOTTER, TIPSTER, TIPTOES
Score: 13-21 (max 32)


R05: 100 10 3 6 7 2. Target: 851
C1: 853. ( 100 + 7 ) * ( 6 + 2 ) - 3 (7)
C2: 853. ( 100 + 7 ) * ( 6 + 2 ) - 3 (7)
CV: 851. ( 100 + 6 ) * ( 10 - 2 ) + 3 (10)
MW: 851. ( 100 - ( 2 * 7 ) ) * 10 - 6 - 3 (10)
Score: 20-28 (max 42)


SAYSLOVE -> SAVELOYS .. as in Jimmy Saville.. jangle, jangle!


R06: S A M G E R A C B
C1: CAMERAS (7)
C2: CAMERAS (7)
OT: CAMBERS (7), MACABRE (7)
Score: 27-35 (max 49)


R07: T L S I E H K A T
C1: SKITTLE (7)
C2: LATHES
DC: TALKIES (7), THISTLE (7)
OT: ATHEIST (7), LATEISH (7), LITHEST (7), SHITAKE (JB, 7), STAITHE (7), STEALTH (7)
NOT: talkiest (x) sowpods only.
Score: 34-35 (max 56)


R08: R L T E I A D T U
C1: LATITUDE (8)
C2: RATTLED
OT: ALTITUDE (8), DETRITAL (8), ATTIRED, DILUTER, TITULAR, TRAILED, TUTELAR
Not: rutilated (x) sowpods only.
Score: 42-35 (max 64)


R09: P T N I A J M D E
C1: PAINTED (7)*
C2: PAINTED (7)
DC: MEDIANT (7)
OT: DAMPEN, DETAIN, IMPEND, INMATE, MAIDEN, MANTID, MEDIAN, MEDINA, MINTED, PAINED, PANDIT, PANTED, PEDANT, PENTAD, PIEMAN, PINETA, PITMAN, PITMEN, TAIMEN, TAJINE, TAMPED, TANDEM, TIENDA
Score: 49-42 (max 71)


There are 5 letters that can extend PAINTED to 8... enjoy.


R10: 100 3 6 8 3 10. Target: 773
C1: 773. ( 8 * 100 ) - ( ( 6 + 3 ) * 3 ) (10)
C2: 773. ( 8 * 100 ) - ( ( 6 + 3 ) * 3 ) (10)
DC: 773. ( 8 * ( 100 - 3 ) ) - 3 (10)
Score: 59-52 (max 81)


SEAMLOUT -> SOULMATE


AMULETS + O = SOULMATE, three other letters can also take AMULETS to 8... enjoy.


R11: N F S A E N R Q E
C1: ENSNARE (7)
C2: FANNERS (7)
OT: FANNER, RANEES
Score: 66-59 (max 88)


R12: D N S U O M E N P
C1: POUNDS (6)
C2: MOUNDS (6)
DC: MOUSED
OT: MENUDOS (7), SPUMONE (7), UNPOSED (7)
NOT: soundmen (X) sowpods only.
Score: 72-65 (max 95)


R13: W S D O E T C A L
C1: SCOWLED (7)
C2: LOCATED (7)
DC: LACTOSE (7), CASTLED (7)
OT: ALECOST (7), COASTED (7), COLDEST (7), DECLAWS (7), LOCATES (7), SOLACED (7), TALCOSE (7)
Score: 79-72 (max 102)


R14: 2 6 3 1 3 2. Target: 303
C1: -X-. nothing declared (0)
C2: -X-. nothing declared (0)
CV: 324. presumably ( 3 * 3 * 6 * 2 * ( 2 + 1 ) ) (0)
GS: 288. 3 * 2 * 6 * ( 3 + 1 ) * 2 (0) - as close as possible, 15 away.
Score: 79-72 (max 102)

R15: CRUCIAL CONUNDRUM!

:::: D U P E M I N C E

C1 buzzes in within 1 second and declares....


IMPUDENCE, the correct answer..

Final Score: 89-72 (max 112)

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Today's players both found the maximum 8 times out of a possible 14. So that's a pretty high standard of play I'd have to say. A very good game. Jonathan now has 4 wins and 379 points, so needs just 42 points or one more win to effect a cullin' of Mr Cullen as it were from the knockout stages. In the event of another strong player emerging there are just 7 games remaining before the knockout stages begin.

Further summaries are at:
http://www.sooreams.com/cd/series.asp?series=58

[Howard Somerset]

Jonathan now has 4 wins and 379 points, so needs just 33 points to effect a cullin' of Mr Cullen as it were from the knockout stages. In the event of another strong player emerging there are just 7 games remaining before the knockout stages begin.

I make it 8 games remaining before knockout stages.
Also, I think that Jonathan needs either another win or 42 points to knock out Jason.

[Joseph Bolas]

Jonathan now has 4 wins and 379 points, so needs just 33 points to effect a cullin' of Mr Cullen as it were from the knockout stages. In the event of another strong player emerging there are just 7 games remaining before the knockout stages begin.

I make it 8 games remaining before knockout stages.
Also, I think that Jonathan needs either another win or 42 points to knock out Jason.

So after 105 games, JaCu is going to be knocked out of the seed list. Thats some record though JaCu .

[Howard Somerset]

So after 105 games, JaCu is going to be knocked out of the seed list. Thats some record though JaCu .

Yes, it could well be some record - the longest time in the seeding list without making the finals.

However, anything could well have happened this week. Those who were there will know. But for the rest of us, we can only surmise. It is, of course, quite possible that one of the top eight seeds might not have been able to get to the finals - it's happened before. And then the 9th in the list would get to play.

We've just got to wait and find out.

HoSo.

[Joseph Bolas]

So after 105 games, JaCu is going to be knocked out of the seed list. Thats some record though JaCu .

Yes, it could well be some record - the longest time in the seeding list without making the finals.

However, anything could well have happened this week. Those who were there will know. But for the rest of us, we can only surmise. It is, of course, quite possible that one of the top eight seeds might not have been able to get to the finals - it's happened before. And then the 9th in the list would get to play.

We've just got to wait and find out.

HoSo.

Its been quite a series indeed where a lot of players have only lasted a few games, when people thought they would've become octochamps or got a few more wins. I think anyone in JaCu's position would not want to miss out after being in the seed list that long, so it would be nice if JaCu got to play.

I should've gone to find out , but don't have to wait long to find out the outcome.

Joseph .

P.S. HoSo (depending on how you pronounce it) sounds Chinese/Japanese to me .

[JasonCullen]

Jonathan now has 4 wins and 379 points, so needs just 33 points to effect a cullin' of Mr Cullen as it were from the knockout stages. In the event of another strong player emerging there are just 7 games remaining before the knockout stages begin.

I make it 8 games remaining before knockout stages.
Also, I think that Jonathan needs either another win or 42 points to knock out Jason.

Howard is quite correct and Mr. Coles only needs 42 points (even if he loses) to effectively knock me off the leaderboard after months of struggle . But I was in the audience for Jonathan's fifth game (for moral support to Jonathan of course ) on Tuesday and it is a miracle that I am still on the board after so long and I am told it is a record. But did lightning strike twice (in terms of miracles) and did Jonathan fail to get the points he needed to secure his place? I will leave that for you to speculate but as you guys saw recently on Tuesday, it is not impossible for a champion to score less than 42 points (as poor Lee found out!) against my threat.

It will all become clear on Monday. Watch this space...

[Howard Somerset]

Howard is quite correct and Mr. Coles only needs 42 points (even if he loses) to effectively knock me off the leaderboard after months of struggle . But I was in the audience for Jonathan's fifth game (for moral support to Jonathan of course ) on Tuesday and it is a miracle that I am still on the board after so long and I am told it is a record. But did lightning strike twice (in terms of miracles) and did Jonathan fail to get the points he needed to secure his place? I will leave that for you to speculate but as you guys saw recently on Tuesday, it is not impossible for a champion to score less than 42 points (as poor Lee found out!) against my threat.

It will all become clear on Monday. Watch this space...

Well, after that build up, I'm going to have to watch Monday's game pretty quickly, even live, if I can manage to rearrange a student. Can't wait, now.

[Joseph Bolas]

Howard is quite correct and Mr. Coles only needs 42 points (even if he loses) to effectively knock me off the leaderboard after months of struggle . But I was in the audience for Jonathan's fifth game (for moral support to Jonathan of course ) on Tuesday and it is a miracle that I am still on the board after so long and I am told it is a record. But did lightning strike twice (in terms of miracles) and did Jonathan fail to get the points he needed to secure his place? I will leave that for you to speculate but as you guys saw recently on Tuesday, it is not impossible for a champion to score less than 42 points (as poor Lee found out!) against my threat.

It will all become clear on Monday. Watch this space...

It may not be impossible, but after Jonathan having 4 good games, I don't see him scoring less than 42 points .

[Julian Fell]

So after 105 games, JaCu is going to be knocked out of the seed list. Thats some record though JaCu .

Yes, it could well be some record - the longest time in the seeding list without making the finals.

Could this record be renamed the 'Tim Henman at Wimbledon record'?

But if, miraculously, Jonathan doesn't get the points he needs on Monday, we could have the situation of a player (Jason, obviously) playing in the finals of a series despite having not won a single heat game in that series, which would also be noteworthy.

[Howard Somerset]

But if, miraculously, Jonathan doesn't get the points he needs on Monday, we could have the situation of a player (Jason, obviously) playing in the finals of a series despite having not won a single heat game in that series, which would also be noteworthy.

Such a thing has happened before, but under different circumstances. Vicky Smith played in the Series 40 finals in spite of not having won a heat game in that series. In her case, she'd qualified for the Series 39 finals but had been unable to attend.

[Richard Brittain]

The thing is, it's going to take a really brilliant player to beat Jonathan and reduce his scoring to less than 42, and such a player would in all likelihood win at least 5 games himself.

[Julian Fell]

But if, miraculously, Jonathan doesn't get the points he needs on Monday, we could have the situation of a player (Jason, obviously) playing in the finals of a series despite having not won a single heat game in that series, which would also be noteworthy.

Such a thing has happened before, but under different circumstances. Vicky Smith played in the Series 40 finals in spite of not having won a heat game in that series. In her case, she'd qualified for the Series 39 finals but had been unable to attend.

Yes I'd heard of Vicky Smith... my late uncle was one of her defeated opponents in the series 39 heats. And I remember from Mike Brown's site that a player who'd lost his/her only heat game still played in the finals of one of the early series (series 2?), because there were 16 players in the finals for that series, and because of that and the fact that series were really short in those days, he/she didn't actually have to win a game to get on the leaderboard! Whimsical days indeed...

[JasonCullen]

[Charlie Reams]

R05: 100 10 3 6 7 2. Target: 851
C1: 851. ( 100 + 7 ) * ( 6 + 2 ) - 3 (7)
C2: 851. ( 100 + 7 ) * ( 6 + 2 ) - 3 (7)
CV: 853. ( 100 + 6 ) * ( 10 - 2 ) + 3 (10)
MW: 853. ( 100 - ( 2 * 7 ) ) * 10 - 6 - 3 (10)
Score: 20-28 (max 42)

Can't figure this out. The contestants were only given 7 points for getting the target exactly, and both of the methods given as 853 evaluate to 851. Any know what really happened there?

[David Williams]

An educated guess would be that the target was indeed 851, but the contestants both actually got 853, and CV got 851.

[Howard Somerset]

An educated guess would be that the target was indeed 851, but the contestants both actually got 853, and CV got 851.

Quite correct. Both contestants declared 853. CV got the required target of 851.