I don't think that is an unpopular opinion at all. Most people I know prefer The Bends.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 1:16 pm The Bends is a much better album than OK Computer even though it's always ranked in below it
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Across the pond they dontPaul Worsley wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 2:27 pmI don't think that is an unpopular opinion at all. Most people I know prefer The Bends.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 1:16 pm The Bends is a much better album than OK Computer even though it's always ranked in below it
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Same. Most people I know prefer The Bends.Paul Worsley wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 2:27 pmI don't think that is an unpopular opinion at all. Most people I know prefer The Bends.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 1:16 pm The Bends is a much better album than OK Computer even though it's always ranked in below it
Also, if you are over 30 and still worrying about album ranking lists you should examine what you're doing with your life.
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I disagree.Mark James wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:24 pmSame. Most people I know prefer The Bends.Paul Worsley wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 2:27 pmI don't think that is an unpopular opinion at all. Most people I know prefer The Bends.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 1:16 pm The Bends is a much better album than OK Computer even though it's always ranked in below it
Also, if you are over 30 and still worrying about album ranking lists you should examine what you're doing with your life.
Old people in the 80s went window shopping when they were bored.
Old people nowadays spend free time window shopping and generally viewing shit content online
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You're very wrong with this generalisation (though you give the impression that you live in your own insular world). It might be hard to believe, but the vast majority of the old people I know actually have hobbies and spend their time doing productive things.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 6:41 amI disagree.Mark James wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:24 pmSame. Most people I know prefer The Bends.Paul Worsley wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 2:27 pm
I don't think that is an unpopular opinion at all. Most people I know prefer The Bends.
Also, if you are over 30 and still worrying about album ranking lists you should examine what you're doing with your life.
Old people in the 80s went window shopping when they were bored.
Old people nowadays spend free time window shopping and generally viewing shit content online
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Goldfinger & Thunderball, probably the two most successful Bond films, should be banned for glorifying rape. (And I don't mean just the general Bond misogynistic rape culture, I mean outright rape).
By banned I don't mean making it illegal to view, only that no streaming service / tv channel should ever show this.
By banned I don't mean making it illegal to view, only that no streaming service / tv channel should ever show this.
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Sorry couldn't find the flippant emojiElliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:15 amYou're very wrong with this generalisation (though you give the impression that you live in your own insular world). It might be hard to believe, but the vast majority of the old people I know actually have hobbies and spend their time doing productive things.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 6:41 amI disagree.Mark James wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:24 pm
Same. Most people I know prefer The Bends.
Also, if you are over 30 and still worrying about album ranking lists you should examine what you're doing with your life.
Old people in the 80s went window shopping when they were bored.
Old people nowadays spend free time window shopping and generally viewing shit content online
Most old people I know are still working (maybe we need to clearly define what your definition of old is )
I also have hobbies but I can still idle away my time on internet from time to time
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Not without a viewers discretion message.Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:30 am Goldfinger & Thunderball, probably the two most successful Bond films, should be banned for glorifying rape. (And I don't mean just the general Bond misogynistic rape culture, I mean outright rape).
By banned I don't mean making it illegal to view, only that no streaming service / tv channel should ever show this.
BTW don't watch Irreversible or Straw Dogs
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I don't mind (I even prefer) films that require viewer discretion due to violence, sex, language etc.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:48 amNot without a viewers discretion message.Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:30 am Goldfinger & Thunderball, probably the two most successful Bond films, should be banned for glorifying rape. (And I don't mean just the general Bond misogynistic rape culture, I mean outright rape).
By banned I don't mean making it illegal to view, only that no streaming service / tv channel should ever show this.
BTW don't watch Irreversible or Straw Dogs
But I don't think anybody should commercially broadcast a film where the day is saved because the baddie turned good after she falls for her rapist.
Also, I saw Straw Dogs (albeit almost 20 years ago), from what I remember it's hard to watch, very controversial, but and I don't remember it giving a message of "Rape is great" like Goldfinger. Though I could be wrong here, since I don't remember it well enough and I actually liked Goldfinger 20-30 years ago.
Edit, just because I don't think my point was clear. I don't think films depicting rape should be banned, even when it's very graphical. My problem with the two films I mentioned (especially Goldfinger) is the way it's depicted. The girl rejects Bond, he still goes for it, she fights him off, and then it's all very casual (even with comical sound effects), he overpowers her on a haystack, and it's all rosy and beautiful once he's done raping. That's my problem here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88
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Yeah I felt similarly uncomfortable when watching the Rocky Horror show last year. I don't think the issue of (non)consent even registered when I first watched it years ago.Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:00 amI don't mind (I even prefer) films that require viewer discretion due to violence, sex, language etc.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:48 amNot without a viewers discretion message.Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:30 am Goldfinger & Thunderball, probably the two most successful Bond films, should be banned for glorifying rape. (And I don't mean just the general Bond misogynistic rape culture, I mean outright rape).
By banned I don't mean making it illegal to view, only that no streaming service / tv channel should ever show this.
BTW don't watch Irreversible or Straw Dogs
But I don't think anybody should commercially broadcast a film where the day is saved because the baddie turned good after she falls for her rapist.
Also, I saw Straw Dogs (albeit almost 20 years ago), from what I remember it's hard to watch, very controversial, but and I don't remember it giving a message of "Rape is great" like Goldfinger. Though I could be wrong here, since I don't remember it well enough and I actually liked Goldfinger 20-30 years ago.
Edit, just because I don't think my point was clear. I don't think films depicting rape should be banned, even when it's very graphical. My problem with the two films I mentioned (especially Goldfinger) is the way it's depicted. The girl rejects Bond, he still goes for it, she fights him off, and then it's all very casual (even with comical sound effects), he overpowers her on a haystack, and it's all rosy and beautiful once he's done raping. That's my problem here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88
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Don't get me started on Pepe Le PueTal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:00 amI don't mind (I even prefer) films that require viewer discretion due to violence, sex, language etc.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:48 amNot without a viewers discretion message.Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:30 am Goldfinger & Thunderball, probably the two most successful Bond films, should be banned for glorifying rape. (And I don't mean just the general Bond misogynistic rape culture, I mean outright rape).
By banned I don't mean making it illegal to view, only that no streaming service / tv channel should ever show this.
BTW don't watch Irreversible or Straw Dogs
But I don't think anybody should commercially broadcast a film where the day is saved because the baddie turned good after she falls for her rapist.
Also, I saw Straw Dogs (albeit almost 20 years ago), from what I remember it's hard to watch, very controversial, but and I don't remember it giving a message of "Rape is great" like Goldfinger. Though I could be wrong here, since I don't remember it well enough and I actually liked Goldfinger 20-30 years ago.
Edit, just because I don't think my point was clear. I don't think films depicting rape should be banned, even when it's very graphical. My problem with the two films I mentioned (especially Goldfinger) is the way it's depicted. The girl rejects Bond, he still goes for it, she fights him off, and then it's all very casual (even with comical sound effects), he overpowers her on a haystack, and it's all rosy and beautiful once he's done raping. That's my problem here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88
Also Bladerunner but as she is a replicant maybe she don't count
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Pepe le Pew is a caricature on predatory behaviourMarc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:32 pm Don't get me started on Pepe Le Pue
Also Bladerunner but as she is a replicant maybe she don't count
The Blade Runner scene is made in a way to make the viewer uncomfortable and be perfectly aware it's fucked up.
Irreversible (read a bit about it) & Straw Dogs deal with the aftermath of brutal rapes
Goldfinger & Thunderball are neither of these. They depict the violent side of the rape as non existent / comical, and the raped women as lucky to be seduced and raped by the charming James Bond. With absolutely no irony or cringe intention. Just glorified, beautiful, family entertainment rapes.
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Fwiw in the sixties there was a popular trope of the 3 fsTal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:56 pmPepe le Pew is a caricature on predatory behaviourMarc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:32 pm Don't get me started on Pepe Le Pue
Also Bladerunner but as she is a replicant maybe she don't count
The Blade Runner scene is made in a way to make the viewer uncomfortable and be perfectly aware it's fucked up.
Irreversible (read a bit about it) & Straw Dogs deal with the aftermath of brutal rapes
Goldfinger & Thunderball are neither of these. They depict the violent side of the rape as non existent / comical, and the raped women as lucky to be seduced and raped by the charming James Bond. With absolutely no irony or cringe intention. Just glorified, beautiful, family entertainment rapes.
Flirt , fight then luck.
James bond movies did this with the aforementioned films.
It doesn't make it right but Hollywood likes to play up to the audiences.
In a similar way that crap newspapers like The Sun and The Mail exist because people buy it , I don't remember much outcry at these movies at the time.
Obviously we have moved on but when I watched these movies as a kid I didn't see anything rapey probably because there was no terror
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But that's exactly the problem. Rape doesn't have to be in a dark alley at knifepoint. This sort of stuff sends the message that "no doesn't really mean no", and that wasn't a good message then, and is definitely a very bad message today.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 5:58 amObviously we have moved on but when I watched these movies as a kid I didn't see anything rapey probably because there was no terrorTal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:56 pmPepe le Pew is a caricature on predatory behaviourMarc Meakin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:32 pm Don't get me started on Pepe Le Pue
Also Bladerunner but as she is a replicant maybe she don't count
The Blade Runner scene is made in a way to make the viewer uncomfortable and be perfectly aware it's fucked up.
Irreversible (read a bit about it) & Straw Dogs deal with the aftermath of brutal rapes
Goldfinger & Thunderball are neither of these. They depict the violent side of the rape as non existent / comical, and the raped women as lucky to be seduced and raped by the charming James Bond. With absolutely no irony or cringe intention. Just glorified, beautiful, family entertainment rapes.
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I think that anyone watching this nowadays and thinks that are the same people that kill people because of what they have seen on thmv or the movies.Fiona T wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:16 pmBut that's exactly the problem. Rape doesn't have to be in a dark alley at knifepoint. This sort of stuff sends the message that "no doesn't really mean no", and that wasn't a good message then, and is definitely a very bad message today.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 5:58 amObviously we have moved on but when I watched these movies as a kid I didn't see anything rapey probably because there was no terrorTal Lessner wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:56 pm
Pepe le Pew is a caricature on predatory behaviour
The Blade Runner scene is made in a way to make the viewer uncomfortable and be perfectly aware it's fucked up.
Irreversible (read a bit about it) & Straw Dogs deal with the aftermath of brutal rapes
Goldfinger & Thunderball are neither of these. They depict the violent side of the rape as non existent / comical, and the raped women as lucky to be seduced and raped by the charming James Bond. With absolutely no irony or cringe intention. Just glorified, beautiful, family entertainment rapes.
Respecting women in the 21st century should be a given along with respecting everyone's serial orientation and religious preferences.
Apropos of nothing in particular I am so glad I'm not a hormonal teenager now , not that I ever took the lead with women
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Bond could have instead murdered her - sorry killed with his licence to kill - and it would have been fine of course.
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My point is not about the morality of the actions in the film, but about depicting rape as a pleasant comical form of seduction.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 2:17 pm Bond could have instead murdered her - sorry killed with his licence to kill - and it would have been fine of course.
And even by mid 60s moral/legal standards, these are rapes. The women refuse both verbally and physically.
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These films would never get made now.Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 7:53 amMy point is not about the morality of the actions in the film, but about depicting rape as a pleasant comical form of seduction.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 2:17 pm Bond could have instead murdered her - sorry killed with his licence to kill - and it would have been fine of course.
And even by mid 60s moral/legal standards, these are rapes. The women refuse both verbally and physically.
But as a film enthusiast and sort of historian it would be wrong to ban them.
After the Hays Code was scrapped film makers were desperate to push boundaries.
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Golf is better than cricket.
Cricket involves ball-hitting on the spot with one bat, whilst in golf every stroke (except from the tee) provides a different challenge depending on where the ball lies, with 14 clubs.
Cricket involves ball-hitting on the spot with one bat, whilst in golf every stroke (except from the tee) provides a different challenge depending on where the ball lies, with 14 clubs.
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To play or watch ?
I think individual sport v teamsport is apples and pears.
I think facing a 90 mph cricket ball takes some courage BTW
I grew up watching cricket when headboards were for sissies.
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Both to play and to watch.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 7:03 amTo play or watch ?
I think individual sport v teamsport is apples and pears.
I think facing a 90 mph cricket ball takes some courage BTW
I grew up watching cricket when headboards were for sissies.
Golf does have team events; The Ryder Cup is a terrific event and the support is obvious, plus golf courses are generally beautiful (and much quieter). They have tried to speed up the game too.
Cricket’s too pedestrian and too “fixed” for me, especially T20 and the TikTok-y nonsense that is The Hundred.
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Would like to see a golf equivalent of a T20.Philip A wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 9:24 amBoth to play and to watch.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 7:03 amTo play or watch ?
I think individual sport v teamsport is apples and pears.
I think facing a 90 mph cricket ball takes some courage BTW
I grew up watching cricket when headboards were for sissies.
Golf does have team events; The Ryder Cup is a terrific event and the support is obvious, plus golf courses are generally beautiful (and much quieter). They have tried to speed up the game too.
Cricket’s too pedestrian and too “fixed” for me, especially T20 and the TikTok-y nonsense that is The Hundred.
Maybe 2 minutes per stroke
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I recently came across one of these scenes, assuming it's the same one, and my impression was that it was strong coercion; I paraphrase, "get in that bedroom or I'll knock your head off". I was amazed.Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 7:53 amMy point is not about the morality of the actions in the film, but about depicting rape as a pleasant comical form of seduction.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 2:17 pm Bond could have instead murdered her - sorry killed with his licence to kill - and it would have been fine of course.
And even by mid 60s moral/legal standards, these are rapes. The women refuse both verbally and physically.
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I was referring to these two scenes:Ian Volante wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 12:46 pm I recently came across one of these scenes, assuming it's the same one, and my impression was that it was strong coercion; I paraphrase, "get in that bedroom or I'll knock your head off". I was amazed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZGN1WQ_Ms
From Thunderball, on the first 40 seconds he already managed to put his hand on her, and force her to kiss him.
Skip forward to around 2:40 where he explains he'll get her fired if she doesn't, even then she says no.
But if that's not rapey enough because he doesn't use enough force, then the one from Goldfinger I've already posted here is 100% rape on screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88
There could be others, haven't watched most of these in 20 years.
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100% sexual assault but rape , I don't think we can assume sex took place unless .Tal Lessner wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 2:40 pmI was referring to these two scenes:Ian Volante wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 12:46 pm I recently came across one of these scenes, assuming it's the same one, and my impression was that it was strong coercion; I paraphrase, "get in that bedroom or I'll knock your head off". I was amazed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZGN1WQ_Ms
From Thunderball, on the first 40 seconds he already managed to put his hand on her, and force her to kiss him.
Skip forward to around 2:40 where he explains he'll get her fired if she doesn't, even then she says no.
But if that's not rapey enough because he doesn't use enough force, then the one from Goldfinger I've already posted here is 100% rape on screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88
There could be others, haven't watched most of these in 20 years.
I'm playing devil's advocate I know but I get your point
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It's time to means test the NHS and give tax breaks for those who go private and make private health care contributions to be made compulsory for any full time workers like private pensions are now.
BTW this should be a popular opinion
BTW this should be a popular opinion
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Single-payer healthcare is the basic for a somewhat functioning healthcare system where working-class and poor people can still get the healthcare they need.
Want to pay for a private one as well? Go ahead, but no tax breaks on the national health taxes (And I pay for a private health insurance, so I would benefit from your idea in my country)
Yours should remain as unpopular as possible opinion
Want to pay for a private one as well? Go ahead, but no tax breaks on the national health taxes (And I pay for a private health insurance, so I would benefit from your idea in my country)
Yours should remain as unpopular as possible opinion