I used to think they were different species.
But then again I thought an Alsation was different from a German Shepherd
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I used to think they were different species.
Perhaps they do so to avoid the struggle of having to pluralise daddy-long-legs
Well it's a word because the actual word existed anyway. But calling someone an influencer implies something about how much influence they have, which is not something that's easy to measure concretely. How much influencing do you have to do to qualify for the status of "influencer"? I could call myself an influencer.* The BBC are basically calling something subjective objective.
Primarily it's just a shit and really annoying word for this usage. That's the bottom line.Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:20 pm You don't need to be able to define where the distinction is exactly to recognise that there is one. I think we can all agree that (for example) it's stupid to call you an influencer but quite sensible to call (e.g.) James Charles an influencer.
"Ooo-er, shades of grey exist so what does it even mean to say that something is black?" - Gevin, probably
I think I understand your first point to be a dig at Gavin's previous post. But could you elaborate on your second point please? I've read it over a couple of times and can't work out what it means.Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:16 pm People who make judgements of character based on prescriptivist grammar rules that aren't even universally accepted.
People who use language to reinforce the class and cultural boundaries that disproportionately disadvantage BAME people.
Mark Deeks wrote:Callum Todd looks like a young Ted Bundy.
It's precisely because it's not universally accepted that we can use it to distinguish between people, based on logic, aesthetics, not being a complete lunatic etc. Like some people say "aitch" and some say "haitch", but we all know which is better...Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:16 pm People who make judgements of character based on prescriptivist grammar rules that aren't even universally accepted.
Mark Deeks wrote:Callum Todd looks like a young Ted Bundy.
I found this mental. I think in my whole time I've never met someone who considers "Edwards" as a surname to be a bunch of Edward...s. Is this a thing? Am I the mad one?Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:04 am ...they'll write (and say) "Dave Edwards' nose" rather than "Dave Edwards's nose". Even worse is when they do it with a name that ends in an s but isn't even like a plural...
Yeah, there's a whole thread on this.Matt Morrison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:58 pm We've also talked about "text" a lot. I mean, I say "I fucking text you Gevin you prick". But then I am a bit common.
However I don't go as far as to say "I sent you a texted", and that is a thing. Not sure of my point, but I love bringing up the "texted" thing.
I mean, I don't think anyone thinks like that, but the name "Edwards" is a bit like a plural word, and I think that must be where the not-sticking-an-s-on-the-end must come from.Matt Morrison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:59 pmI found this mental. I think in my whole time I've never met someone who considers "Edwards" as a surname to be a bunch of Edward...s. Is this a thing? Am I the mad one?Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:04 am ...they'll write (and say) "Dave Edwards' nose" rather than "Dave Edwards's nose". Even worse is when they do it with a name that ends in an s but isn't even like a plural...
Except it only covers "texted" verbally, not nounally.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:14 pmYeah, there's a whole thread on this.Matt Morrison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:58 pm We've also talked about "text" a lot. I mean, I say "I fucking text you Gevin you prick". But then I am a bit common.
However I don't go as far as to say "I sent you a texted", and that is a thing. Not sure of my point, but I love bringing up the "texted" thing.
Mark Deeks wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 10:48 am Grammar and spelling pedants. Basically a game of one-upmanship, of intelligent/pseudo-intellectual/people who for some reason think that they are intelligent trying to prove they are more intelligent than you. Good for you, big man, but it really doesn't matter.
Eoin Monaghan wrote:
He may not be liked on here, but you have to give some credit to Mark
You've got us all there.Mark Deeks wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:05 amMark Deeks wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 10:48 am Grammar and spelling pedants. Basically a game of one-upmanship, of intelligent/pseudo-intellectual/people who for some reason think that they are intelligent trying to prove they are more intelligent than you. Good for you, big man, but it really doesn't matter.
I play poker regularly, (or I did), all over the NW, and I don't remember anyone saying "tray". However, "deuce" for two, is quite common. I think it's not a bad idea to add poker players, including commentators, to the list of people you shouldn't trust.Mark James wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:37 am People (poker commentators) who pronounce the number three as tray.
*grocer's
Obviously the ones not exposed must use actual magic.Mark James wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:05 am what really amazes me is that every trick hasn't actually been exposed on YouTube yet.
My favourite word spoken with an Irish lilt is film (fillum)Noel Mc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:35 am Regarding the aitch/haitch situation, where I live there is a rather funny/depressing split along typical Northern Ireland lines for the pronunciation.
I taught in a school for a year and intentionally changed my pronunciation of the letter, mainly just to avoid boring conversation. I did randomly drop in my natural pronunciation every so often, only to see some pupils give confused glances at eachother across the room.
See also the pronunciation of the name Mary: (Merry/Meery)
I notice how you haven't given away your natural pronunciation!Noel Mc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:35 am Regarding the aitch/haitch situation, where I live there is a rather funny/depressing split along typical Northern Ireland lines for the pronunciation.
I taught in a school for a year and intentionally changed my pronunciation of the letter, mainly just to avoid boring conversation. I did randomly drop in my natural pronunciation every so often, only to see some pupils give confused glances at eachother across the room.
See also the pronunciation of the name Mary: (Merry/Meery)
I agree.Mark James wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:05 am People who don't want to know how magic tricks are done. Penn and Teller's Fool Us is back on and I still like it and all but I get sick of them speaking in code. I think it would be a better show if they just told us how it was done. Even the foolers. I want to see Penn and Teller's reaction to the method. For me it never ruins it. I watch tons of magic tutorials on YouTube. They do the performance, it's great, you're amazed, then they show you how they did it and you're amazed again. In fact what really amazes me is that every trick hasn't actually been exposed on YouTube yet.
I don't think Penn and Teller are keeping it secret for our benefit. People don't want to know how tricks are done because magicians don't want them to know and convince them to think that. I'm fairly sure it's that way round. And I think it's largely because a lot of tricks use basically the same technique so the magicians are worried we'd find them all less impressive over time. It definitely wouldn't ruin a trick (for basically anyone) to know how it's done on an individual occasion, but over time, magicians probably have this worry people will get bored and less impressed and they'll be made redundant.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2014 6:23 pm People who, because magicians don't want to reveal their secrets, have become successfully brainwashed into actively not wanting to know how tricks are done. I would consider that to be one of the best mind control tricks ever.
I'm a haitch/Meery sort of person!Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:01 pm I notice how you haven't given away your natural pronunciation!
C4C has a whole thread of things like this.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:36 pm People who have really specific dislikes that aren't particularly rational or likely to have any biological basis but are also shared by a suspiciously large number of people, suggesting that they just copied off each other. The main two I'm thinking of here are a fear of clowns and a dislike of the word "moist".
Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:54 pmC4C has a whole thread of things like this.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:36 pm People who have really specific dislikes that aren't particularly rational or likely to have any biological basis but are also shared by a suspiciously large number of people, suggesting that they just copied off each other. The main two I'm thinking of here are a fear of clowns and a dislike of the word "moist".
After becoming a parent, I suddenly found that I was interested not only in my own child but also those of my friends. I think this experience isn't uncommon.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:37 pm People don't care about other people's children. Everyone knows this until they have their own children for some reason.
I think when you become a grandparent kids stop being so shit as you can cling on to life by enjoying the fleeting moments with your children's children plus if they piss you off you have the luxury of handing them backMatt Morrison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:22 pm Most kids are shit. You get the occasional interesting one. It's no surprise, since people of all ages generally follow the same rule.
Well that's this whole thread and the joke items one done for.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:49 pm People who dimiss something as shit on the basis they don't understand it
I should have qualified my statement by say people who think a piece of art is shit.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:00 pmWell that's this whole thread and the joke items one done for.Marc Meakin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:49 pm People who dimiss something as shit on the basis they don't understand it
What other way is it pronounced??Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:43 pmI don't understand. I don't know anyone who pronounces the name Mary in either of these ways.
Mary, the way it's spelled. Rhymes with hairy.Noel Mc wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:26 pmWhat other way is it pronounced??Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:43 pmI don't understand. I don't know anyone who pronounces the name Mary in either of these ways.
Whereas it looks to me like it's spelled to rhyme with wary.
What about Gary?Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:56 pmWhereas it looks to me like it's spelled to rhyme with wary.
My brother is Garry so no ambiguity there.Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:52 amWhat about Gary?Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:56 pmWhereas it looks to me like it's spelled to rhyme with wary.
This was my thought as well. There is a standard method pronunciation of "ar" and a couple of *ary words that are pronounced "airy" isn't enough to make a rule especially when Gary exists as well.Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:52 amWhat about Gary?Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:56 pmWhereas it looks to me like it's spelled to rhyme with wary.
"Similarly spelt words in English pronounced differently" shock.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:45 amThis was my thought as well. There is a standard method pronunciation of "ar" and a couple of *ary words that are pronounced "airy" isn't enough to make a rule especially when Gary exists as well.Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:52 amWhat about Gary?Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:56 pm
Whereas it looks to me like it's spelled to rhyme with wary.
Well, you started it:Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:05 pm "Similarly spelt words in English pronounced differently" shock.
My point was that nothing about the spelling of Mary suggests it should be pronounced either "Merry" or "Meery".Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:33 pmWell, you started it:Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:05 pm "Similarly spelt words in English pronounced differently" shock.
You clearly aren't from Glasgow!Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:32 pmMy point was that nothing about the spelling of Mary suggests it should be pronounced either "Merry" or "Meery".Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:33 pmWell, you started it:Phil Reynolds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:05 pm "Similarly spelt words in English pronounced differently" shock.
I'm a cyclist and if I don't see a signal from a car at a roundabout I assume they are going straight over.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:16 pm Driving things are probably a bit too obvious but so many people do this specific thing - people who signal right to go onto a roundabout and just carry on signalling right until they leave.
Signalling right seems pretty redundant to me anyway. It's far more important to indicate left when you're leaving. People who are joining the roundabout need to know if they can join or not!
So really - people who don't signal left when they're turning off a roundabout. At least if there's other cars around that might need to know.