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What selection has contained the fewest distinct letters? I'm willing to bet that every selection has featured at least four different letters.
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It doesn't look as if 4 Large was a regularly picked numbers selection in the early days of countdown, can you tell me, what would be the first instance of someone picking 4 Large on countdown?
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Average score for a player in the first episode of their run:Matty Artell wrote:In the 15-round ear, what is the average score from challengers when 0 nines, 1 nines, and 2 nines are available? What about for octochamps?
In the old 15-round format: 66.55 with no nines available, 68.47 with one nine available, 69.17 with two nines available.
In the new 15-round format: 63.18 with no nines available, 66.38 with one nine available, 66.42 with two nines available.
In both 15-round formats combined: 65.97 with no nines available, 68.11 with one nine available, 68.81 with two nines available.
For octochamps, counting only the heat games of their octorun:
In the old 15-round format: 95.33 with no nines available, 99.19 with one nine available, 101.50 with two nines available.
In the new 15-round format: 102.29 with no nines available, 105.73 with one nine available, 112.44 with two nines available.
In both 15-round formats combined: 96.62 with no nines available, 100.51 with one nine available, 103.37 with two nines available.
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Every selection has indeed featured at least four distinct letters. At least, this is true for all the letters rounds we have details for.Johnny Canuck wrote:What selection has contained the fewest distinct letters? I'm willing to bet that every selection has featured at least four different letters.
Only four letters rounds have featured only four distinct letters, and none of them are recent.
Round 3 in episode 54
Round 7 in episode 1020
Round 3 in episode 1071 (round 5 in this game is one of the 86 letters rounds containing only five distinct letters)
Round 3 in episode 1079
It's also happened at least once at a CO event: game 1, round 4 at the first CoREA.
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4 large was first picked in this Countdown Masters game. Although we don't have round details for some earlier episodes, Mike Brown is pretty sure this was the first time it happened.Edward Byrne wrote:It doesn't look as if 4 Large was a regularly picked numbers selection in the early days of countdown, can you tell me, what would be the first instance of someone picking 4 Large on countdown?
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If Liam Moloney qualifies for the finals of this series, it will mean that his first and last heat opponents (Judy Bursford and Stephen Briggs respectively) will also make the finals. Are there any previous examples of this happening?
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Think it happened in series 70 with Neil Green, Sean Fletcher and Samir Pilica but I could be wrongJack Worsley wrote:If Liam Moloney qualifies for the finals of this series, it will mean that his first and last heat opponents (Judy Bursford and Stephen Briggs respectively) will also make the finals. Are there any previous examples of this happening?
Definitely not Jamie McNeill or Schrodinger's Cat....
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Have you -- or anyone else, as far as you know -- made a list of octochamps in order of raw score yet? If so, would you please be able to compile this? (Just the new 15-round format would be fine.)
Apologies if this was already asked somewhere, but I was curious about it after doing my last Mocktorun and couldn't find the data on here anywhere.
Apologies if this was already asked somewhere, but I was curious about it after doing my last Mocktorun and couldn't find the data on here anywhere.
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What's the closest any selection has ever been to TNETENNBA, both (a) disregarding the positions of the letters, and (b) with the letters needing to be in the correct positions?
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Which contestant has appeared with the most Dictionary Corner guests?
Definitely not Jamie McNeill or Schrodinger's Cat....
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And what's the most games anyone's done with the same guest?James Laverty wrote:Which contestant has appeared with the most Dictionary Corner guests?
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In series 22, Anne Lyng lost to David Webb who lost to Robert Teuton, and all three made the quarter finals. I suppose the bigger question is - what's the longest run of linked contestants who all made the knockouts?Jack Worsley wrote:If Liam Moloney qualifies for the finals of this series, it will mean that his first and last heat opponents (Judy Bursford and Stephen Briggs respectively) will also make the finals. Are there any previous examples of this happening?
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It surprises me to this day that there were (I think) only two proper max games in the nine-round era. What I want to know is after each number of rounds how many people were still on for a max? So, after one round, how many contestants were still on for a max game, how many after two, all the way up to nine. And also when you get near the end of this, it might be worth mentioning the specific games that were still on for a max going into the latter stages.
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Can we do this for 15 rounders too?Gavin Chipper wrote:It surprises me to this day that there were (I think) only two proper max games in the nine-round era. What I want to know is after each number of rounds how many people were still on for a max? So, after one round, how many contestants were still on for a max game, how many after two, all the way up to nine. And also when you get near the end of this, it might be worth mentioning the specific games that were still on for a max going into the latter stages.
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Jack Worsley wrote:If Liam Moloney qualifies for the finals of this series, it will mean that his first and last heat opponents (Judy Bursford and Stephen Briggs respectively) will also make the finals. Are there any previous examples of this happening?
Gavin Chipper wrote:In series 22, Anne Lyng lost to David Webb who lost to Robert Teuton, and all three made the quarter finals. I suppose the bigger question is - what's the longest run of linked contestants who all made the knockouts?
Correct. This is the only time it has happened in the 15 round era.James Laverty wrote:Think it happened in series 70 with Neil Green, Sean Fletcher and Samir Pilica but I could be wrong
In the 9 round era it was a lot more common, probably because the series were shorter then. Series 2 was a short series with a 16-player finals stage so there's a 13-player chain for that one. If we exclude that, the longest unbroken chain of finalists in the heats of a series, measured by number of players, was six in series 11.
Series 2: David Myerscough, Sheila Mann and Peter Finley; also Maurice Packman, Philip Appleby, Norma Nicholson, Ash Haji, Russell Byers, Michael Firth, Gary Roussak, Bobbie Bennett, Maureen Kelly, Ivy Baird, Ingram Wilcox, Joan Ross and Philip Nelkon.
Series 3: Ted Wiles, Allan Simmons and William Bradford.
Series 4: Christine Hunt, Peter Skiba, Sydney Price and Robert Richland.
Series 5: Leslie Olson, Peter Evans and Jane Smith.
Series 7: Robert Coton, Gary Franks and Julian Hough.
Series 9: Mick Keeble, Geoff Taylor and David White; also Alan Lee, Peter Scott and Anne Tipp.
Series 10: Maggie Barker, David Whiting and Harvey Freeman.
Series 11: Alan Johnson, Ken Heaton, Marianne Croll, Ted Kimmons, David Reid and James Wilkie.
Series 13: John Clark, Peter Tatlow, Mike Whiteoak, Nita Marr and Mike Preston.
Series 14: Joel Salkin, Derek Rutter, Frank Houston and Stephen Deakin.
Series 15: Frances Rush, Pat Martin, Peter Pryer; also Gavin Rogers, Paul Walker and Kathleen Vickers.
Series 16: John Widdowson, Jenny Haldane, Roger Wales and Andrew Loheide.
Series 17: David Poulter, Jean Tweddell and Tim Morrissey; also Len Marshall, Jim Saywell and Lawrence Pearse.
Series 18: Rajaretnam Yogasagarar, Shirley Scott and Derek Stuart-Clark.
Series 21: Jackie McLeod, Malcolm Mackinnon and Adam Simmons; also Nick Saloman, Barry Grossman, Gillian Tickle and Lew Schwarz.
Series 22: Anne Lyng, David Webb and Robert Teuton.
Series 27: Gill Nickson, David Elias and Robin Benoy.
Series 29: Barry Hughes, Chris Rogers and Andy Cusworth.
Series 30: Martin Linden, Andrew Bull and Verity Joubert.
Series 32: Alan Sinclair, Craig Douglas and Satbir Gupta.
Series 37: Janet Nelson, Kate Surtees and Brett Smitheram; also Mark Wyndham-Jones, Ruth Collier, Christine White, Ricky Zinger and Ray McPhie. One chain of three and one chain of five, so all eight finalists had already played at least one other finalist.
Series 38: Ruth Atkin, Steve Fisher and Keith Burton.
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These tables include up to the end of series 72.Johnny Canuck wrote:Have you -- or anyone else, as far as you know -- made a list of octochamps in order of raw score yet? If so, would you please be able to compile this? (Just the new 15-round format would be fine.)
Apologies if this was already asked somewhere, but I was curious about it after doing my last Mocktorun and couldn't find the data on here anywhere.
Raw score, in case anyone isn't aware, is your score including the points you would have got in rounds where you didn't score anything because your opponent had a longer word or closer numbers solution, but no change is made for conundrums. If a player's numbers solution was not asked for because their opponent beat it, I've assumed that the unheard numbers solution was correct.
New 15 rounders, including Andy Platt's hybrid octorun:
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Giles Hutchings 983
Dylan Taylor 974
Glen Webb 963
Dan McColm 956
Jen Steadman 952
Tom Cappleman 939
Mark Murray 931
Andy Platt 907
Gerry Tynan 895
Bradley Cates 894
Antoinette Ryan 890
Tricia Pay 883
Tracey Mills 875
George Ford 863
Andy Noden 862
Mark Davies 856
Andrew Naylor 845
Samir Pilica 844
Alex Fish 835
Jonathan Liew 834
Laurence Killen 826
Kevin Steede 811
Eileen Taylor 792
Joe McGonigle 787
Jordan Barker 779
Steve Redfern 731
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Giles Hutchings 983
Dylan Taylor 974
Glen Webb 963
Jack Hurst 959
Dan McColm 956
Jen Steadman 952
Julian Fell 948
Andrew Hulme 940
Tom Cappleman 939
Kirk Bevins 937
Mark Murray 931
Chris Wills 925
Adam Gillard 922
Craig Beevers 920
Eoin Monaghan 919
Chris Davies 916
Edward McCullagh 914
Andy Platt 907
Conor Travers 905
Stewart Holden 899
Steven Briers 895
Gerry Tynan 895
Bradley Cates 894
Paul Gallen 893
Chris Cummins 892
Antoinette Ryan 890
Tom Hargreaves 889
Innis Carson 889
Jonathan Rawlinson 888
David O'Donnell 887
Jon Corby 885
Tricia Pay 883
Tracey Mills 875
George Greenhough 875
Jack Welsby 874
Matthew Shore 869
James Hurrell 865
Daniel Pati 865
George Ford 863
Charlie Reams 862
Andy Noden 862
Mark Tournoff 860
Richard Brittain 858
Jack Worsley 857
Mark Davies 856
John Mayhew 855
Jeffrey Hansford 855
Marcus Hares 853
Lee Hartley 852
Paul Howe 851
Mark Deeks 851
Stuart Solomons 850
Stuart Earl 848
Grace Page 846
Tom Barnes 846
Andrew Naylor 845
Graeme Cole 845
Samir Pilica 844
Scott Gillies 841
John Brackstone 840
Tim Reypert 840
Peter Lee 839
Martin Bishop 839
Shane Roberts 839
Oliver Garner 839
John Davies 838
Alex Fish 835
Jonathan Liew 834
Wendy Roe 833
Cate Henderson 833
Jon O'Neill 832
Kai Laddiman 832
Ryan Taylor 827
Laurence Killen 826
Paul James 824
John Hunt 822
Loz Sands 821.333...
Junaid Mubeen 818
Kevin Thurlow 818
John Gray 818
Richard Heald 818
Paul Ryan 816
Mike Pullin 815
Danny Hamilton 815
Ben Wilson 814.666...
Michael Macdonald-Cooper 811
Kevin Steede 811
Rupert Stokoe 810
Steven Moir 810
Richard Pay 809
Ross Allatt 809
Keith Maynard 808
Jimmy Gough 807
Michael Bowden 806
Martin Gardner 805
David Thirlwall 804
Jonathan Coles 804
Aaron Webber 803
Gary Male 802
Nik Von Uexkull 802
Neil Zussman 802
David Barnard 802
Tom Rowell 800
Phil Wass 797.333...
Amey Deshpande 797
Julia Wilkinson 797
Jim Bentley 797
Jean Webby 795
Sweyn Kirkness 794
James Roberts 794
Paul Keane 793
Eileen Taylor 792
David Von Geyer 788
Joe McGonigle 787
Judith Young 786
Tony Warren 782
David Edwards 781
Jeffrey Burgin 779
Jayne Wisniewski 779
Heather Styles 779
Jordan Barker 779
Chris Marshall 775
Brenda Jolley 774
Brian Selway 774
Liam Shaw 774
Nick Wainwright 766
Joe Zubaidi 764
Dave Taylor 764
Rose Boyle 760
Chris McHenry 759
Tia Corkish 757
Andy McGurn 754
Stu Horsey 753
Steve Wood 752
Suzi Purcell 751
Carl Williams 750
Ian McMenzie 748
James Doohan 734
Steve Redfern 731
Danny Pledger 725
Ned Pendleton 720
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(a) Round 6 in this game had 8 of the 9 letters of TNETENNBA in it.Johnny Canuck wrote:What's the closest any selection has ever been to TNETENNBA, both (a) disregarding the positions of the letters, and (b) with the letters needing to be in the correct positions?
(b) Five rounds have had five letters in the correct positions for TNETENNBA: round 3 in this game, round 3 in this game, round 6 in this game, round 12 in this game, and round 7 in this game.
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Tim Morrissey has appeared with ten different DC guests. I initially thought that Conor Travers and Chris Wills tied for this record, but it turned out I was counting "none" as a DC guest; in fact they've both only appeared with 9 different guests each. Darryl Francis, Natascha Kearsey, Andrew Hulme and Jon O'Neill have also appeared with 9 different guests.James Laverty wrote:Which contestant has appeared with the most Dictionary Corner guests?
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That's weird. I already wrote and submitted the answer to this as the answer to James's post, then realised I'd misread his post and answered the wrong question so I deleted my reply. Now I realise the question I thought James was asking has been asked directly below it. Ho hum...Thomas Carey wrote:And what's the most games anyone's done with the same guest?James Laverty wrote:Which contestant has appeared with the most Dictionary Corner guests?
As of this post last year, the record was 10. Clive Freedman appeared 10 times with Gyles Brandreth. This hasn't changed. It's quite a difficult record to break nowadays, because the pool of regular DC guests is larger now than it was in the early days of the show.
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Maxes in nine-rounders are based on rather shaky data, not only because the maxes on our wiki are judged against a different dictionary, but also because we have incomplete details for some games. Nevertheless, here it is. A max is where you score the highest number of points available, even if a closer numbers solution which scores the same was possible.Gavin Chipper wrote:It surprises me to this day that there were (I think) only two proper max games in the nine-round era. What I want to know is after each number of rounds how many people were still on for a max? So, after one round, how many contestants were still on for a max game, how many after two, all the way up to nine. And also when you get near the end of this, it might be worth mentioning the specific games that were still on for a max going into the latter stages.
If you imagine all 2,945 televised nine-round games for which the max is known, and run them all simultaneously...
After 1 round, 1,856 players were still on a max.
After 2 rounds, 666 players.
After 3 rounds, 259 players.
After 4 rounds, 137 players.
After 5 rounds, 56 players.
After 6 rounds, 18 players.
After 7 rounds, 10 players. These were Jenny Haldane, Alec Webb, Darren Shacklady, Andrew Perry, Allan Saldanha, Allan Saldanha (again), Tony Killilea, Kate Ogilvie, Susan Shilton and John Rawnsley.
After 8 rounds, 5 players. These were Jenny Haldane, Darren Shacklady, Allan Saldanha, Allan Saldanha (again) and Tony Killilea.
After 9 rounds, 3 players had got a max. These were Jenny Haldane, Darren Shacklady and Allan Saldanha .
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There are 3,104 televised 15-rounders of one flavour or other for which the max is known, up to the end of series 72.Jennifer Steadman wrote:Can we do this for 15 rounders too?Gavin Chipper wrote:It surprises me to this day that there were (I think) only two proper max games in the nine-round era. What I want to know is after each number of rounds how many people were still on for a max? So, after one round, how many contestants were still on for a max game, how many after two, all the way up to nine. And also when you get near the end of this, it might be worth mentioning the specific games that were still on for a max going into the latter stages.
After 1 round, 2,210 players were still on for a max.
After 2 rounds, 870 players.
After 3 rounds, 408 players.
After 4 rounds, 214 players.
After 5 rounds, 162 players.
After 6 rounds, 105 players.
After 7 rounds, 65 players.
After 8 rounds, 42 players.
After 9 rounds, 32 players.
After 10 rounds, 26 players.
After 11 rounds, 19 players.
After 12 rounds, 13 players. These were Paul Gallen, Kirk Bevins, Kirk Bevins, Edward McCullagh, Graeme Cole, Kirk Bevins, Conor Travers, Jon O'Neill, Conor Travers, Conor Travers, Jen Steadman, Dylan Taylor and Dan McColm.
After 13 rounds, 12 players. These were Paul Gallen, Kirk Bevins, Kirk Bevins, Edward McCullagh, Graeme Cole, Kirk Bevins, Conor Travers, Jon O'Neill, Conor Travers, Conor Travers, Dylan Taylor and Dan McColm.
After 14 rounds, 9 players. These were Kirk Bevins, Edward McCullagh, Kirk Bevins, Conor Travers, Jon O'Neill, Conor Travers, Conor Travers, Dylan Taylor and Dan McColm.
After 15 rounds, 7 players. These were Kirk Bevins, Kirk Bevins, Conor Travers, Jon O'Neill, Conor Travers, Conor Travers and Dan McColm.
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Excellent work as always Graeme. It looks like round 6 was a real max killer in the 9-round days, with fewer than a third of the players who maxed the first five rounds maxing this one. Also the final numbers had just a 50% hit rate. It would have been good if Allan Saldanha (again) had been the one to max the game rather than Allan Saldanha.*
*Of course we really know that neither of them maxed a game. Not properly.
*Of course we really know that neither of them maxed a game. Not properly.
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Graeme is awesome, it must be said. It's not said enough. Or at least, I don't say it enough.
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Countdown episode 6234
Hi Graeme,
I'm interested to know if this episode is the first time in the 15 round format, that a contestant (Ross Lough) has failed to score in any of the letters rounds.
Thanks,
Peter
I'm interested to know if this episode is the first time in the 15 round format, that a contestant (Ross Lough) has failed to score in any of the letters rounds.
Thanks,
Peter
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Hi Graeme,
I'm interested to know if this episode is the first time in the 15 round format, that a contestant (Ross Lough) has failed to score in any of the letters rounds.
Thanks,
Peter
I'm interested to know if this episode is the first time in the 15 round format, that a contestant (Ross Lough) has failed to score in any of the letters rounds.
Thanks,
Peter
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Hi Graeme,
I'm interested to know if episode 6234 is the first time in the 15 round format, that a contestant (Ross Lough) has failed to score in any of the letters rounds.
Thanks,
Peter
I'm interested to know if episode 6234 is the first time in the 15 round format, that a contestant (Ross Lough) has failed to score in any of the letters rounds.
Thanks,
Peter
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I'm not Graeme, but it isn't. This was. Presumably these are the only two but I may well be wrong. [x3]
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Thanks for the reply, Thomas. I note that Michael Smith got the conundrum though which makes Ross Lough more unique (if you can be more unique...)
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The procedure is to type your post out and click "submit", as opposed to doing that and then doing it twice more.Peter Thomas wrote:I very rarely post and had forgotten the procedure.
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Yes, that and the episode Peter mentioned are the only two examples in 15-round games.Thomas Carey wrote:I'm not Graeme, but it isn't. This was. Presumably these are the only two but I may well be wrong. [x3]
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Hi Graeme,
What are the highest numbers of maxes achieved by players who've lost their first game? (totally not trying to find comfort in my loss or anything )
What are the highest numbers of maxes achieved by players who've lost their first game? (totally not trying to find comfort in my loss or anything )
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Awesome analysis of the raw scores -- it'll help me loads when I'm trying to figure out how good (or miserable) my Mocktorun performances are in comparison to the crowd.
I'll reward you for your awesome number-crunching by giving you another question.
In the past few weeks, most recently today, I've noticed that several conundrums from previous finals- and championship-stage games have been reused in prelims. How many conundrum solution words have appeared in at least one prelim as well as at least one game from a higher stage of competition? Of these, for how many did the higher-stage use happen before the prelim use, and for how many did it happen after?
I'll reward you for your awesome number-crunching by giving you another question.
In the past few weeks, most recently today, I've noticed that several conundrums from previous finals- and championship-stage games have been reused in prelims. How many conundrum solution words have appeared in at least one prelim as well as at least one game from a higher stage of competition? Of these, for how many did the higher-stage use happen before the prelim use, and for how many did it happen after?
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Related: what's the most used conundrum? What's the most used conundrum scramble? How many unique conundrums (solutions) have there been ( in how many episodes)? Tyvm as always
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Peter Steggle holds the record, being the only player to lose his debut with 11 maxes.James S Roper wrote:Hi Graeme,
What are the highest numbers of maxes achieved by players who've lost their first game? (totally not trying to find comfort in my loss or anything )
Here are all players who lost the first game of a run with 9 maxes or more, up to the end of series 72:
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5907 70 2014-04-17 Peter Steggle 11
3809 52 2004-11-04 David Morgans 10
3945 53 2005-06-13 Paul Lyne 10
4235 55 2006-11-15 Christine Smith 10
3171 47 2002-01-21 Terry Rattle 9
3213 47 2002-03-20 Gordon Innes 9
3285 48 2002-07-08 Fiona Farquharson 9
3426 49 2003-02-25 David Poyser 9
3445 49 2003-03-24 Keith Williams 9
3466 49 2003-04-22 Andrew Naylor 9
3591 50 2003-11-18 Paul Skingsley 9
3598 50 2003-11-27 John Charleston-Stokes 9
3827 52 2004-11-30 Andrew Byrne 9
3915 53 2005-04-26 Jenny Scudamore 9
3923 53 2005-05-09 Jim Anderson 9
4104 54 2006-05-16 Richard Green 9
4352 56 2007-05-11 Eileen Organ 9
4372 56 2007-06-08 Kathleen McAulay 9
4396 57 2007-07-12 John Berkley 9
4694 59 2008-10-21 Allan Harmer 9
4760 60 2009-02-18 Anita Fairhurst 9
4961 62 2010-01-20 Daphne Lord 9
5226 64 2011-03-23 Peter McLoughlin 9
5340 65 2011-09-27 Ophelie Humphrey 9
5667 68 2013-03-26 Alex Newton 9
5908 70 2014-04-18 Mike Wilson 9
5917 70 2014-05-02 Stuart McQuitty 9
5977 71 2014-08-19 Simon Bryan 9
5981 71 2014-08-28 Callum Pickering 9
5995 71 2014-09-19 Kieran O'Driscoll 9
5997 71 2014-09-23 Natalie McCluskey 9
6024 71 2014-11-03 Tom Pettinger 9
6117 72 2015-04-06 Mark Perrett 9
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Up to the end of series 72, 404 distinct conundrum solutions have been used in a prelim as well as in a different kind of game. By "different kind of game" I mean any televised game in the database that isn't a prelim or a Masters game, so that includes specials, finals, CoCs, Supreme Championship, etc. In 111 of these cases, the solution's earliest appearance in a prelim was before its earliest appearance in another game, and in 293 cases it was after.Johnny Canuck wrote:Awesome analysis of the raw scores -- it'll help me loads when I'm trying to figure out how good (or miserable) my Mocktorun performances are in comparison to the crowd.
I'll reward you for your awesome number-crunching by giving you another question.
In the past few weeks, most recently today, I've noticed that several conundrums from previous finals- and championship-stage games have been reused in prelims. How many conundrum solution words have appeared in at least one prelim as well as at least one game from a higher stage of competition? Of these, for how many did the higher-stage use happen before the prelim use, and for how many did it happen after?
I initially excluded Masters games from the "higher stage of competition" category because there are so many of them, but if you include them the total number of reused solutions jumps up to 717, of which 182 were used in a prelim first and 535 otherwise.
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DECLARING and PERPETUAL, which have been used six times each. Another 32 conundrum solutions have been used five times.Thomas Carey wrote:Related: what's the most used conundrum?
LOVEFRAUD and TOOQUAINT have both been used four times. Incidentally, TOOQUAINT was also one of the conundrum scrambles in my audition. Another 31 scrambles have been used three times.Thomas Carey wrote:What's the most used conundrum scramble?
Counting all televised episodes of all formats up to the end of series 72, there have been 3,657 distinct conundrum solutions. In the 6,074 conundrum rounds for which we know both the scramble and the answer (there are quite a few early shows where the scramble isn't recorded), there were 5,663 distinct scrambles. There are 6,295 televised episodes in total, of which 485 contain at least one conundrum where the scramble is not known.Thomas Carey wrote:How many unique conundrums (solutions) have there been ( in how many episodes)? Tyvm as always
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Is Romaine Boothe from today's show the person who has the longest first name that is a valid word
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There have definitely been a few people called Victoria on the show. There might be some nines but I haven't checked yet.James Robinson wrote:Is Romaine Boothe from today's show the person who has the longest first name that is a valid word
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http://wiki.apterous.org/Jessamine_O%27ConnorGraeme Cole wrote:There have definitely been a few people called Victoria on the show. There might be some nines but I haven't checked yet.James Robinson wrote:Is Romaine Boothe from today's show the person who has the longest first name that is a valid word
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A question that might be appropriate for 11-11-2015: Is Round 1 of this game the only time a given letter has come up four times in a row on the board with no intervening letters?
(And how did this round even stay in? I'd expect it to be reshot after even the third R.)
(And how did this round even stay in? I'd expect it to be reshot after even the third R.)
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Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
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My second opponent opened with DECORATES, which I missed.Jon Corby wrote:Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
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Spoilers! Oh my god - you've ruined my life!Jon Corby wrote:Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
(I haven't caught up with Paul Howe's games yet.)
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Interesting. I'd like to see the games where it has happened, maybe there's quite a few. Somebody did it against Tom, didn't they? That one may have been a case of Tom being comfortably ahead and cruising a bit, not sure. When some unknown quantity smacks you down with a 9 in the first round, you've got to think your number's probably up?Ian Volante wrote:My second opponent opened with DECORATES, which I missed.Jon Corby wrote:Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
(Whoops, sorry Gev. Forgot about the spoilerish nature of my question.)
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Actually, it was my third opponent. I carried the 18-point deficit through to round twelve before coming back to win, much like my first game, and assumed in both cases that I was knacked.Jon Corby wrote:Interesting. I'd like to see the games where it has happened, maybe there's quite a few. Somebody did it against Tom, didn't they? That one may have been a case of Tom being comfortably ahead and cruising a bit, not sure. When some unknown quantity smacks you down with a 9 in the first round, you've got to think your number's probably up?Ian Volante wrote:My second opponent opened with DECORATES, which I missed.Jon Corby wrote:Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
(Whoops, sorry Gev. Forgot about the spoilerish nature of my question.)
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Jon Elmer got the nine DISPERSER against me. It was unpencilled at the time, too.
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Has anyone ever completed an octorun without getting a conundrum?
I ask this as a topical question because Matt Le Tassier is currently half way there.
I ask this as a topical question because Matt Le Tassier is currently half way there.
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Not sure, Ryan Taylor famously only got one, and even then it took him 27 or so seconds to get it!!Andy McGurn wrote:Has anyone ever completed an octorun without getting a conundrum?
I ask this as a topical question because Matt Le Tassier is currently half way there.
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Is this the new spoiler thread?
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My thoughts exactly.Clive Brooker wrote:Is this the new spoiler thread?
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I asked this quite a while ago as I lost a game by 37 points despite getting a 9 my opponent missed. Somewhere they're all listed.Jon Corby wrote:Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
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Nikki Roberts came close. She failed to solve a single one in eight games but she lost her last game. I think it was said at the time that she would have been the first octochamp to achieve the feat and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been done since.James Robinson wrote:Not sure, Ryan Taylor famously only got one, and even then it took him 27 or so seconds to get it!!Andy McGurn wrote:Has anyone ever completed an octorun without getting a conundrum?
I ask this as a topical question because Matt Le Tassier is currently half way there.
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Oh yeah! Cheers, just found it.Jon Stitcher wrote:I asked this quite a while ago as I lost a game by 37 points despite getting a 9 my opponent missed. Somewhere they're all listed.
Great question, by the way.
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It's one of only two. The other was round 4 in this episode.Johnny Canuck wrote:A question that might be appropriate for 11-11-2015: Is Round 1 of this game the only time a given letter has come up four times in a row on the board with no intervening letters?
I'd like to think it was because the inevitable pirate impressions from the audience were considered too funny to edit out.Johnny Canuck wrote:(And how did this round even stay in? I'd expect it to be reshot after even the third R.)
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List of players who, in losing their only game of a run, got a nine in a round where their opponent didn't:Jon Corby wrote:Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
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1984-04-23 145 Jill Brown UNFEELING Sydney Price
1985-02-12 261 Richard MacFarlane UNDERGONE Sheila Alder
1986-10-28 456 Patrick Redmond BREASTING David Whiting
1988-06-07 749 Steve Hindle ASSERTING Kathleen Vickers
1993-03-01 1368 Michael Feaver UNVISITED Don Reid
1997-01-24 1927 Glyn Chidley GERANIUMS Peter Sampson
1999-04-20 2504 Tessa Phelan BATTERIES Dorian Jeffrey
2001-02-14 2948 Daryl Brooks DESCALING Nicola Smith
2002-01-21 3171 Terry Rattle CHAGRINED Chris Wills
2002-01-23 3173 Agnes Budis PATRONISE Chris Wills
2002-04-02 3222 Joe Radcliffe TARDINESS Rupert Stokoe
2002-05-22 3255 Alan Sowter REVALUING Mike Pullin
2002-07-22 3294 David Cooper PLACEMENT David Nickeas
2002-10-02 3332 Trish Staples GRADIENTS Mike Brown
2003-09-26 3554 Janet Chambers CREAMIEST Bonnie White
2004-03-01 3655 Mo Janson LAUNDRIES Stewart Holden
2004-04-20 3686 David Minor VARNISHED Nicole Hutchings
2004-08-05 3751 Stewart Smeed MARAUDING Jack Welsby
2004-11-17 3818 Ronnie Boyd MANICURED Mark Tournoff
2005-01-20 3853 Robert Stone DEPLETION Brian Roles
2005-04-19 3910 David Hutton INTERNALS Ross Allatt
2005-06-22 3952 Leslie Ritchings DECANTERS Helen Mathieson
2006-02-08 4030 Alison Campbell DESPERADO Paul Howe
2006-03-28 4067 Ken Coney COURTLIER Tuck Broadbent
2006-04-26 4090 Julie Cameron NAVIGATED Jan Gates
2006-07-12 4145 Phil Watkins LAMINATES Stuart Dowey
2006-09-20 4195 Paul Manning MEDIATING Richard Brittain
2007-01-15 4272 George Rhodes DECORATES Ian Volante
2007-02-09 4291 Nick Gray COPULATED Vivienne Mead
2007-05-22 4359 Andrew Sweet CRUMMIEST Stewart Gordon
2008-05-20 4604 Nick Horton UNDERFOOT Carl Dundas
2008-06-26 4631 Brian Gregory SPECULATE Lee Simmonds
2008-11-26 4720 Daryl Hawes DATELINES Steve Elcock
2009-07-22 4866 Carol Warren ARRESTING Paul Varlaam
2009-09-21 4889 Russell Langdown TOLERATED Jeffrey Burgin
2010-03-12 4998 Stuart Inglis CAPTIONED Kevin Davis
2010-08-23 5094 Jean Miles DETAINING Tom Rowell
2010-11-24 5161 Mark Bannister COMPENDIA Niall Young
2012-01-11 5401 Barry Williams LOTTERIES Jack Worsley
2012-04-10 5459 Spencer Taylor UNCREATED Rob Gibney
2013-10-01 5781 John Blaker FLOUNDERS Callum Todd
2013-11-27 5822 Robin Gray MAGNETISE Jonathan Liew
2014-03-31 5896 Trevor Grundy OLEANDERS Ann Robinson
2014-05-12 5920 Edward Kenny UNSPOILED Sean Fletcher
2014-11-12 6031 Alex Davies ENACTIONS Laurence Killen
2015-03-04 6099 Alex Williamson SUSTAINED Jordan Barker
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No.Andy McGurn wrote:Has anyone ever completed an octorun without getting a conundrum?
Lindsay Denyer, Maria Boyes, Jeffrey Burgin, Ryan Taylor and Ned Pendleton all completed an octorun with one conundrum solve.
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SPOILER ALERT!!!Graeme Cole wrote:List of players who, in losing their only game of a run, got a nine in a round where their opponent didn't:Jon Corby wrote:Hi Graeme.
Inspired by Romaine's excellent LONGITUDE spot, I was wondering how many winless contestants there are who got a nine that their opponent didn't? I seem to remember one octochamp this series beating somebody despite missing a nine, and a lady getting DESPERADO in round one (but then losing) against Paul Howe.
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TX DATE EP CONTESTANT WORD OPPONENT 1984-04-23 145 Jill Brown UNFEELING Sydney Price 1985-02-12 261 Richard MacFarlane UNDERGONE Sheila Alder 1986-10-28 456 Patrick Redmond BREASTING David Whiting 1988-06-07 749 Steve Hindle ASSERTING Kathleen Vickers 1993-03-01 1368 Michael Feaver UNVISITED Don Reid 1997-01-24 1927 Glyn Chidley GERANIUMS Peter Sampson 1999-04-20 2504 Tessa Phelan BATTERIES Dorian Jeffrey 2001-02-14 2948 Daryl Brooks DESCALING Nicola Smith 2002-01-21 3171 Terry Rattle CHAGRINED Chris Wills 2002-01-23 3173 Agnes Budis PATRONISE Chris Wills 2002-04-02 3222 Joe Radcliffe TARDINESS Rupert Stokoe 2002-05-22 3255 Alan Sowter REVALUING Mike Pullin 2002-07-22 3294 David Cooper PLACEMENT David Nickeas 2002-10-02 3332 Trish Staples GRADIENTS Mike Brown 2003-09-26 3554 Janet Chambers CREAMIEST Bonnie White 2004-03-01 3655 Mo Janson LAUNDRIES Stewart Holden 2004-04-20 3686 David Minor VARNISHED Nicole Hutchings 2004-08-05 3751 Stewart Smeed MARAUDING Jack Welsby 2004-11-17 3818 Ronnie Boyd MANICURED Mark Tournoff 2005-01-20 3853 Robert Stone DEPLETION Brian Roles 2005-04-19 3910 David Hutton INTERNALS Ross Allatt 2005-06-22 3952 Leslie Ritchings DECANTERS Helen Mathieson 2006-02-08 4030 Alison Campbell DESPERADO Paul Howe 2006-03-28 4067 Ken Coney COURTLIER Tuck Broadbent 2006-04-26 4090 Julie Cameron NAVIGATED Jan Gates 2006-07-12 4145 Phil Watkins LAMINATES Stuart Dowey 2006-09-20 4195 Paul Manning MEDIATING Richard Brittain 2007-01-15 4272 George Rhodes DECORATES Ian Volante 2007-02-09 4291 Nick Gray COPULATED Vivienne Mead 2007-05-22 4359 Andrew Sweet CRUMMIEST Stewart Gordon 2008-05-20 4604 Nick Horton UNDERFOOT Carl Dundas 2008-06-26 4631 Brian Gregory SPECULATE Lee Simmonds 2008-11-26 4720 Daryl Hawes DATELINES Steve Elcock 2009-07-22 4866 Carol Warren ARRESTING Paul Varlaam 2009-09-21 4889 Russell Langdown TOLERATED Jeffrey Burgin 2010-03-12 4998 Stuart Inglis CAPTIONED Kevin Davis 2010-08-23 5094 Jean Miles DETAINING Tom Rowell 2010-11-24 5161 Mark Bannister COMPENDIA Niall Young 2012-01-11 5401 Barry Williams LOTTERIES Jack Worsley 2012-04-10 5459 Spencer Taylor UNCREATED Rob Gibney 2013-10-01 5781 John Blaker FLOUNDERS Callum Todd 2013-11-27 5822 Robin Gray MAGNETISE Jonathan Liew 2014-03-31 5896 Trevor Grundy OLEANDERS Ann Robinson 2014-05-12 5920 Edward Kenny UNSPOILED Sean Fletcher 2014-11-12 6031 Alex Davies ENACTIONS Laurence Killen 2015-03-04 6099 Alex Williamson SUSTAINED Jordan Barker
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We can add Graham Burgess from today onto the list.
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That's still not helpful because I just scrolled down to the bottom of the thread and saw the spoiler before the spoiler space. Plus it would be hard to read later posts (like this) without seeing it.
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