Thursday 1st December 2011 (Series 65, Prelim 109)

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Thursday 1st December 2011 (Series 65, Prelim 109)

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This might be much later than yesterday, but I do deliver............., or at least I claim to. :)

Enjoy. ;) :) :D

Countdown recap for Thursday 1 December 2011.

C1: Champion Phyllis Styles (2 wins, 137 points.) An Apterite from Sevenoaks, Kent. She likes birdwatching, cooking and quizzes. She says her greatest achievement is learning to drive, and even though she only passed on her 2nd test (better than me by a long way, 8), she says it was later in her life, so a more impressive achievement.
C2: Challenger James Siddall. A commodities analyst for an oil trading company originally from Leicester, but now living in London. He like golf, tennis, football and cricket, and even went Down Under at the end of last year and the start of this year to see England beat Australia in the Ashes in Melbourne and Sydney. 8-)
DC: Susie Dent and Robin Cousins.
RR: Rachel Riley.
OT: Other words or solutions.

R01: A O R L L F A E B
R02: C Q P I E I S O X
R03: S P E O N T U I R
R04: K T S M E E U A P
R05: 25, 6, 1, 5, 9, 3. Target: 641.
TTT: AGINGNOT - "Dancing, but the skin colour is fading fast"
R06: N R P I E A R S D
R07: T L I E R C U O N
R08: N V S E A T F O O
R09: A E M N O E W T R
R10: 100, 50, 10, 7, 4, 5. Target: 896.
TTT: THYCLAIM - "It's definitely a claim, but it's not really true"
R11: N R U E S T O A R
R12: D Z C O I E T H A
R13: S G E I J T E A D
R14: 100, 50, 9, 4, 8, 10. Target: 349.
R15: G E T G I R D E R (conundrum)


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Round 1: A O R L L F A E B

C1: FALLER (6)
C2: FLORAL (6)
DC: AREOLA (6)
OT: ABORAL (6) ARABLE (6) AROLLA (6) BALLER (6) BEFALL (6) BOREAL (6) FABLER (6) LABRAL (6) LOAFER (6)
Score: 6–6 (max 6)

Flat, flat, flat, flat, flat, flat.

ABORAL is an anatomical term meaning opposite to or away from the mouth.
AROLLA (or PINUS CEMBRA) is a large five-needled European pine; it yields cembra nuts and a resinous exudate.
BOREAL is an adjective meaning of or pertaining to the north wind.

Round 2: C Q P I E I S O X

C1: COPIES (6)
C2: PIXIES (6)
Score: 12–12 (max 12)

Just the two 6's here. :)

Round 3: S P E O N T U I R

C1: PROTEINS (8)
C2: PUNTERS (7)
DC: POINTERS (8) ERUPTIONS (18)
Score: 20–12 (max 30)

DC go 9-tastic, as Phyllis takes the first lead in today's show.

Round 4: K T S M E E U A P

C1: AMPUTEES (8)
C2: uptakes - Susie did say fine, but it actually isn't. :oops:
Score: 28–12 (max 38)

Phyllis advantage is doubled thanks to an impressive darrenic 8. 8-)

Round 5: 25, 6, 1, 5, 9, 3. Target: 641.

C1: 644.
C2: 639. (((9 x 3) - 1) x 25) - (6 + 5) (7)
RR: 641. (((25 x 6) + 9) x (3 + 1)) + 5 (10)
Score: 28–19 (max 48)

James gets back in the game with his 2 away, but Rachel shows us how it's done.

Robin talks about his upcoming role as an ambassador at the 2012 Olympics.

Teatime teaser: AGINGNOT -> TANGOING

Round 6: N R P I E A R S D

C1: SPRAINED (8)
C2: SPRAINED (8)
DC: DRAINERS (8)
OT: PARDNERS (8) SERRANID (8)
Score: 36–27 (max 56)

Quite a few 8's around, as the gap remains in single figures.

Round 7: T L I E R C U O N

C1: COUNTER (7)
C2: COUNTER (7)
DC: NOCTULE (7)
OT: NEUROTIC (8) OUTLINER (8)
Score: 43–34 (max 64)

While I was searching frantically for a non-existent 9, while DC can't even spot the 2 not-so-irregular 8's that are available.

Round 8: N V S E A T F O O

C1: FASTEN (6)
C2: FESTOON (7)
DC: NOVATES (7)
Score: 43–41 (max 71)

James is well in it now with his 7. :D

Round 9: A E M N O E W T R

C1: WANTER (6)
C2: WANTER (6)
DC: WATERMEN (8)
Score: 49–47 (max 79)

DC go darrenic again as the contestants are found WANTERs. :lol: :oops:

Susie's Origins Of Words talks about the origins of the similes, "as mad as a hatter", "as right as ninepence", "as sure as x is x"

Round 10: 100, 50, 10, 7, 4, 5. Target: 896.

C1: 895. ((4 + 5) x 100) - (50 / 10) (7)
C2: 897. ((4 + 5) x 100) - (10 - 7) (7)
RR: 896. ((100 - 5) x 10) - 50 - 4 (10)
Score: 56–54 (max 89)

Trickier than it looks. Even now, I've only just seen (((10 / 5) + 7) x 100) - 4. :P

Teatime teaser: THYCLAIM -> MYTHICAL

Round 11: N R U E S T O A R

C1: RANTERS (7)
C2: ROASTER (7)
DC: SAUNTER (7) TURNERS (7) NATURES (7)
OT: RETURNS (7) ROUTERS (7) SANTERO (7) SENATOR (7) SNORTER (7) SOUTANE (7) TONSURE (7) TOURERS (7) TREASON (7) TROUSER (7)
Score: 63–61 (max 96)

Loadsa loadsa 7's available here, but I was sure of an 8 or even a 9 there. Amazing how the mind tricks you. :P

Round 12: D Z C O I E T H A

C1: CHEAT (5)
C2: cozied
DC: ZODIAC (6) CATHODE (7)
OT: ACHIOTE (7)
Score: 68–61 (max 103)

Just when it looks like that James is to snatch the lead away from Phyllis, he gives an American 6, and Phyllis' lead goes to 7.

An ACHIOTE (or ANNATTO or LIPSTICK TREE) is a small tree, Bixa orellana, of tropical America.

Round 13: S G E I J T E A D

C1: AGISTED (7)
C2: JESTED (6)
DC: JADEITE (7)
OT: EDGIEST (7) IDEATES (7)
Score: 75–61 (max 110)

And that's an impressive 7 spot to give Phyllis even more daylight, as well as a bit more reassurance.

Round 14: 100, 50, 9, 4, 8, 10. Target: 349.

C1: 349. (100 x 4) - 50 - (9 - 8) (10)
C2: 349. (100 x 4) - 50 - (10 - 9) (10)
Score: 85–71 (max 120)

I almost thought that Phyllis hadn't got it then, but she does, and that gives her the hat-trick.

Round 15: G E T G I R D E R

C1 buzzes on 15.5 seconds to say TRIGGERED which is correct.
Final Score: 95–71 (max 130)

And again, she didn't seem certain of herself, but Phyllis gets the conundrum, and after 2 middling performances, she puts in a top show against an impressive opponent.

She'll be back tomorrow to try for half-octochampdom status, and you can join Mike to see how she does.

I'll be back on Wednesday for the last preliminary, before the 1st quarter-final of the series next Thursday. 8-)

Till then, bye bye.

Statistics Corner

Phyllis:
Total score - 95
Raw score - 108
Total % of max - 73
Raw % of max - 83
Total average score per round - 6.3
Raw average score per round - 7.2
Number of maxes - 8

James:
Total score - 71
Raw score - 84
Total % of max - 55
Raw % of max - 65
Total average score per round - 4.7
Raw average score per round - 5.6
Number of maxes - 6

Further summaries are at:
http://www.apterous.org/cdb/series.php?series=65
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Re: Thursday 1st December 2011 (Series 65, Prelim 109)

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James Robinson wrote:
C2: UPTAKES (7)
Hmm, UPTAKES. Susie says it's fine and has allowed it in the past, but it's a mass noun, isn't in aptodic and I wouldn't like to risk offering it.
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Mike Brown wrote:
James Robinson wrote:
C2: UPTAKES (7)
Hmm, UPTAKES. Susie says it's fine and has allowed it in the past, but it's a mass noun, isn't in aptodic and I wouldn't like to risk offering it.
How very odd. It wasn't one of those ones that I just thought, "it might be a bit debatable", but if it says mass noun, then no will do.
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In the COD8 and COD9 the plural of UPTAKE (the act or an instance of taking up) looks OK. If so, DC's adjudications in the past seem to have been correct (I can't check the one in Series 51 as I don't have an unrevised ODE2).

Rightly or wrongly, UPTAKES was explicitly approved in this show, so the recap is not now recording what actually happened.
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Clive Brooker wrote:In the COD8 and COD9 the plural of UPTAKE (the act or an instance of taking up) looks OK. If so, DC's adjudications in the past seem to have been correct (I can't check the one in Series 51 as I don't have an unrevised ODE2).

Rightly or wrongly, UPTAKES was explicitly approved in this show, so the recap is not now recording what actually happened.
And mass nouns aren't always disallowed anyway. It's open to interpretation.
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Gavin Chipper wrote:And mass nouns aren't always disallowed anyway. It's open to interpretation.
The whole sorry business, summed up in a single sentence...
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Clive Brooker wrote:Rightly or wrongly, UPTAKES was explicitly approved in this show, so the recap is not now recording what actually happened.
Tend to agree, Clive. Sorry, James!
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Mike Brown wrote:
Clive Brooker wrote:Rightly or wrongly, UPTAKES was explicitly approved in this show, so the recap is not now recording what actually happened.
Tend to agree, Clive. Sorry, James!
Deary me, so much for accuracy :!: :lol:

Although, having said that, since it made no difference to the score, can surely put a disclaimer or something instead, saying that it wouldn't be allowed in future contexts. :idea:
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James Robinson wrote:Although, having said that, since it made no difference to the score, can surely put a disclaimer or something instead, saying that it wouldn't be allowed in future contexts. :idea:
Fair comment - although it's anyone's guess what will happen next time! Can I suggest a similar note on the wikicap?
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Mike Brown wrote:
James Robinson wrote:Although, having said that, since it made no difference to the score, can surely put a disclaimer or something instead, saying that it wouldn't be allowed in future contexts. :idea:
Fair comment - although it's anyone's guess what will happen next time! Can I suggest a similar note on the wikicap?
I don't see why not.
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James Robinson wrote:Fair comment - although it's anyone's guess what will happen next time!
Mike Brown wrote:Can I suggest a similar note on the wikicap?
I don't see why not.
Does that mean you'd like me to add one? :)
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Mike Brown wrote:
James Robinson wrote:Fair comment - although it's anyone's guess what will happen next time!
Mike Brown wrote:Can I suggest a similar note on the wikicap?
I don't see why not.
Does that mean you'd like me to add one? :)
Si. :geek:
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Mike Brown wrote:
James Robinson wrote:Although, having said that, since it made no difference to the score, can surely put a disclaimer or something instead, saying that it wouldn't be allowed in future contexts. :idea:
Fair comment - although it's anyone's guess what will happen next time!
Well, I know what happened last time.
http://www.c4countdown.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5127
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James Robinson wrote:Si. :geek:
Done. :)
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