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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Rhys Benjamin » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:13 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
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I just watched today's Have I Got News For You. Brutal. A must watch.
Have I Got News For You hasn't been "brutal" in years. And hasn't been impartial since the referendum.
Well it was brutal today. The panellists all come with their own opinions. How do you make it impartial?
By not having Ian Hislop act like a tree without roots perhaps? One of Britain's most ardent Eurosceptics became one of Britain's biggest Europhiles post-referendum. He stands for nothing politically and wants to disagree with the government, whoever it is and whatever it says. At a time when many comedians seem intent on shoving their politics down your throat, some balance would be ideal. A good comedian shouldn't be mixing politics with their comedy: with people like Hugh Dennis, you don't know which way he votes (he may have said so in op-eds, but the point is you can't tell from his material), and that's a good thing. Whereas Nish Kumar was roundly booed for turning his slot at a Lord's (the cricket ground) dinner into an anti-Brexit rant. During the 2016 US election, HIGNFY decided to launch into a big tirade against Gary Johnson, dragging up comments he had made in the past. It's not a coincidence that, rather than looking at him when he said these things, they did so when Hillary Clinton opted to drag his name through the mud. Indicating no more than being leaned on by the Clinton campaign.

I watched the 2003 Bruce Forsyth episode the other day: not only was it not immediately evident which way the panellists voted (apparently Marcus Brigstocke votes Green, which I would never have guessed from that episode), when was the last time that show was genuinely as funny as that, rather than being "brutal"? It's not the job of a "topical news quiz" which is also a comedy programme to be "brutal". It's the job of the news departments and media. And frankly, they can't be brutal since they're not asking the right questions, and are more interested in analysing than reporting.
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Post by Ian Volante » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:36 pm

Maybe Hislop's just balancing the shift in the other direction by the Prime Minister? And are you seriously claiming that the Clinton campaign would have spared time and money to 'lean' on a slightly jaded British panel show?
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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Rhys Benjamin » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:33 pm

Perhaps "leaned on" was a poor choice of words: the fact remains they regurgitated everything Hillary Clinton put out.
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Ian Volante wrote:
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Maybe Hislop's just balancing the shift in the other direction by the Prime Minister? And are you seriously claiming that the Clinton campaign would have spared time and money to 'lean' on a slightly jaded British panel show?
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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Phil Reynolds » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:57 pm

“Stay alert, control the virus, save lives” is an anagram of “Easily survives travel north to Castle”.

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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Rhys Benjamin » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:54 pm

Phil Reynolds wrote:
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“Stay alert, control the virus, save lives” is an anagram of “Easily survives travel north to Castle”.
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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Fred Mumford » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:29 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 9:19 pm
Have I Got News For You hasn't been "brutal" in years. And hasn't been impartial since the referendum.
Jon Richardson was a guest soon after the most recent election and was bloody awful - just so bitter and disappointed about the outcome that he completely forgot about trying to be funny.

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Post by L'oisleatch McGraw » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:42 pm

It was outrageous!
That some intelligent British people (e.g. Callum on this thread, for instance) don't get why it was top of the news for days, goes to show how bad ye have it over there as regards the acceptance of buffoonery replacing governance.
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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Mark James » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:38 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:54 pm
[A good comedian shouldn't be mixing politics with their comedy
How are you defining politics here? And comedian? And good?

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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:47 pm

Some comedians are political comedians - it's pretty much their defining feature! Maybe we should cut these ones out and just have less variety then.

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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Marc Meakin » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:06 pm

The early days of alternative comedy was littered with political comedians.
The best stand-up comedian currently imho is Stewart Lee.

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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Sam Cappleman-Lynes » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:14 pm

There was a significant increase in the number of people willing to disregard lockdown rules following the Cummings story breaking: https://theconversation.com/we-asked-pe ... -us-139994

In particular, the proportion of people who said they would be willing to disregard the rules "because they do not agree with them" more than doubled from 4.2% of respondents to 9% of respondents.

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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Rhys Benjamin » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:10 pm

So Dominic Cummings said in January that he wanted to make himself "largely redundant" by the end of the year (https://dominiccummings.com/2020/01/02/ ... d-weirdos/) but apparently this is a "news" story which has dominated the BBC for days.
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Re: Cummings and goings

Post by Jon O'Neill » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:31 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:10 pm
So Dominic Cummings said in January that he wanted to make himself "largely redundant" by the end of the year (https://dominiccummings.com/2020/01/02/ ... d-weirdos/) but apparently this is a "news" story which has dominated the BBC for days.
So he's 6 weeks ahead of schedule? Why isn't this being reported as a great achievement by the Tories? I'm genuinely baffled!

Frankly that blog post is nightmarish...

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