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Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:30 pm
by James Laverty
Looks like people are keen to do this again. See Marc already did his list in the 2017 thread, when's the deadline for submissions?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:47 pm
by James Laverty
Should post the rules as well :P

1. 10 names, must have some sort of notability;
2. Once you've posted your list, that's it. No revisions.
3. Each one that dies in 2017 scores (120 - age of death);
4. Bonus of 25 points for any one of them being murdered;
5. Bonus of 25 points if you are the first person to nominate a celeb who dies (or something similar, need to check with Jim)


and as for my own list.

Rosemary West
Leah Bracknall
Nobby Stiles
Clive James
Olivia Newton-John
Prunella Scales
David Prowse
Linda Nolan
June Whitfield
Tessa Jowell

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:36 pm
by Marc Meakin
I also think points deduction for those already seriously ill.
Leah Bracknell is a shoe in

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:52 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Marc Meakin wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:36 pm
I also think points deduction for those already seriously ill.
Leah Bracknell is a shoe in
How are you going to define that objectively though?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:11 pm
by Mark James
If we're gonna suggest rule changes I think 120 is too high. It ruins the risk reward element of going for young people. You may as well just pick a list of people over 90. I know people are living longer than ever but who realistically lives to 120? To get over 20 points for people in their 90s is too much.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:21 pm
by Mark James
Dick van Dyke
Regis Philbin
Bill Clinton
James Earl Jones
Barbara Streisand
Mel Brooks
Bret Michaels
Queen Elizabeth II
Gay Byrne
Kanye West

Not many changes from last year although no more Gazza for once so he's probably guaranteed to go now.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:28 pm
by Elliott Mellor
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:11 pm
If we're gonna suggest rule changes I think 120 is too high. It ruins the risk reward element of going for young people. You may as well just pick a list of people over 90. I know people are living longer than ever but who realistically lives to 120? To get over 20 points for people in their 90s is too much.
1 person has lived to a verified age past 120....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment :ugeek:

I don't get what lowering it from 120 would do...surely it would have no effect?

Lets imagine one person has someone die who is 60 and another has someone who is 100:
120-60=60
120-100=20

Lets imagine the number you subtract from is 100:
100-60=40
100-100=0

it's still the same difference of differences. the person who picked the 60 year old would be getting 40 more points than the other either way.

As a sidenote, The deathlist, which this was presumably named after, is basically where people try and find the oldest people they can with even the slightest bit of notability. Really clutching at straws for some of the so-called celebrities on there.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:32 pm
by Elliott Mellor
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:21 pm

Queen Elizabeth II
I genuinely think she'll still be around if you're doing this in 2028. Ain't a chance she's going soon the amount of care she gets - she can still ride a horse for god's sake.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:52 pm
by Mark James
The points difference is the same but likelihood of death is different. People are less likely to pick younger people because, even though you would get more points the likelihood of it happening is less. Plus the fact that you can also get a first pick bonus means you're better off focusing on the older people who are more likely.

Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:28 pm

As a sidenote, The deathlist, which this was presumably named after, is basically where people try and find the oldest people they can with even the slightest bit of notability. Really clutching at straws for some of the so-called celebrities on there.
And that's my point. The game has basically become let's pick really old celebrities. The original celebrity death pool cut off was 100 and I don't get why that needed to be changed. Maybe if we keep it at 120 but reduce the first pick bonus?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:07 pm
by Mark James
Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:32 pm
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:21 pm

Queen Elizabeth II
I genuinely think she'll still be around if you're doing this in 2028. Ain't a chance she's going soon the amount of care she gets - she can still ride a horse for god's sake.
A lot of my list is based more on hope than expectation.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:46 pm
by Elliott Mellor
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:07 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:32 pm
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:21 pm

Queen Elizabeth II
I genuinely think she'll still be around if you're doing this in 2028. Ain't a chance she's going soon the amount of care she gets - she can still ride a horse for god's sake.
A lot of my list is based more on hope than expectation.
No, everyone loves the queen!!!

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:47 pm
by Elliott Mellor
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:52 pm
The points difference is the same but likelihood of death is different. People are less likely to pick younger people because, even though you would get more points the likelihood of it happening is less. Plus the fact that you can also get a first pick bonus means you're better off focusing on the older people who are more likely.

Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:28 pm

As a sidenote, The deathlist, which this was presumably named after, is basically where people try and find the oldest people they can with even the slightest bit of notability. Really clutching at straws for some of the so-called celebrities on there.
And that's my point. The game has basically become let's pick really old celebrities. The original celebrity death pool cut off was 100 and I don't get why that needed to be changed. Maybe if we keep it at 120 but reduce the first pick bonus?
I love how I'm beginning to influence this game's rules despite abstaining from partaking.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:26 pm
by Marc Meakin
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:07 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:32 pm
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:21 pm

Queen Elizabeth II
I genuinely think she'll still be around if you're doing this in 2028. Ain't a chance she's going soon the amount of care she gets - she can still ride a horse for god's sake.
A lot of my list is based more on hope than expectation.
What's wrong with Mel Brooks ?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:37 pm
by Marc Meakin
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:07 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:32 pm
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:21 pm

Queen Elizabeth II
I genuinely think she'll still be around if you're doing this in 2028. Ain't a chance she's going soon the amount of care she gets - she can still ride a horse for god's sake.
A lot of my list is based more on hope than expectation.
Got me thinking.....based on a wish list my wish list is
Alex Ferguson
Piers Morgan
Tony B Liar
Ian Duncan Smith
Donald Trump
Jamie Redknap
Robert Mugabe
Gerry Adams
Garry Glitter
Robbie Savage

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:48 pm
by Gavin Chipper

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:53 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:28 pm
Mark James wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:11 pm
If we're gonna suggest rule changes I think 120 is too high. It ruins the risk reward element of going for young people. You may as well just pick a list of people over 90. I know people are living longer than ever but who realistically lives to 120? To get over 20 points for people in their 90s is too much.
1 person has lived to a verified age past 120....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment :ugeek:

I don't get what lowering it from 120 would do...surely it would have no effect?

Lets imagine one person has someone die who is 60 and another has someone who is 100:
120-60=60
120-100=20

Lets imagine the number you subtract from is 100:
100-60=40
100-100=0

it's still the same difference of differences. the person who picked the 60 year old would be getting 40 more points than the other either way.
It makes a difference because you could end up with negative points. Also, it makes a difference when different people score with a different number of people.

If it's 120, then two people of 99 get a total of 42 points. One person of 80 gets 40.

If it's 100, then two people of 99 get 2 points. One person of 80 gets 20.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:43 pm
by Thomas Carey
Here's my list of very old people, just last year's with the dead two replaced. Rest in peace Chuck Berry, rot in hell Hugh Hefner.

Vera Lynn
Prince Philip
Sir David Attenborough :(
Angela Lansbury
Barbara Bush
George H.W. Bush
Jimmy Carter
Betty White
I.M. Pei
Kirk Douglas

I agree the first time bonus is too high and while I think people above 100 should score some points maybe the current system is a bit shit. Maybe some kind of polynomial or exponential growth formula could be used, to greatly reward people who go for young people?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:57 pm
by Thomas Carey
I propose picking a constant x (we're essentially doing it with 1 here), 1.05 seems like a decent value from playing around a little bit feel free to change, and then a fixed age N (say 90) and then multiplying whatever points you would get by x^(N-[age of death]). This is just a suggestion after a couple minutes of thinking, I'm sure there's better formulas. So using my values, for a 90 year old you would keep the same score, a 95 year old would score 0.783526166 times what you would get, a 70 year old would be 2.653297705 times it and so on.

Alternatively, do away with all the other shit. Just get straight up the amount of points from the formula (you could always multiply by 100 or that long decimal Gevin likes to use or something) and just get that many points for a person. Yeah, I like this one more. So that's like 100 for a 90 year old, 78.4 points for a 95 year old, 265.3 points for a 70 year old and so on, feel free to fuck around with the exact values until you get something you like. Could still have like a 20 point bonus for first person to say someone, 100 point bonus for murder (or like double points) or something. Whatever

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:00 pm
by Thomas Carey
And I reckon there should be a wise person or people to adjudicate if people are too ill to count (and also if they actually qualify as being 'famous')

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:43 am
by Marc Meakin
The best solution is bookies odds.
But I don't think you can bet on such things

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:54 am
by Gavin Chipper
Thomas Carey wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:57 pm
I propose picking a constant x (we're essentially doing it with 1 here), 1.05 seems like a decent value from playing around a little bit feel free to change, and then a fixed age N (say 90) and then multiplying whatever points you would get by x^(N-[age of death]). This is just a suggestion after a couple minutes of thinking, I'm sure there's better formulas. So using my values, for a 90 year old you would keep the same score, a 95 year old would score 0.783526166 times what you would get, a 70 year old would be 2.653297705 times it and so on.

Alternatively, do away with all the other shit. Just get straight up the amount of points from the formula (you could always multiply by 100 or that long decimal Gevin likes to use or something) and just get that many points for a person. Yeah, I like this one more. So that's like 100 for a 90 year old, 78.4 points for a 95 year old, 265.3 points for a 70 year old and so on, feel free to fuck around with the exact values until you get something you like. Could still have like a 20 point bonus for first person to say someone, 100 point bonus for murder (or like double points) or something. Whatever
The linear thing is a bit simplistic, but it depends how complex you want to go for something as unimportant as this.
Marc Meakin wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:43 am
The best solution is bookies odds.
But I don't think you can bet on such things
There's always this or something like it. We could use the numbers off that.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:57 pm
by Gavin Chipper

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:30 pm
by Gavin Chipper

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:39 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Morgan Tsvangirai

Also, I forgot to mention Bella Emberg a while back.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:25 pm
by Mark James
Is it necessary to mention the deaths who weren't on anyone's list here? Whenever I see this thread has turned red and is at the top of the page I think someone must have scored some points and when it's just Gev listing off the latest dead "celebrity" it's a bit of a disappointment.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:49 am
by Gavin Chipper
Mark James wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:25 pm
Is it necessary to mention the deaths who weren't on anyone's list here? Whenever I see this thread has turned red and is at the top of the page I think someone must have scored some points and when it's just Gev listing off the latest dead "celebrity" it's a bit of a disappointment.
I like to be able to look back and see who died in a given year so having this thread enables me to do that. Though I could just edit an existing post to add new people rather than make a new post if it's that annoying.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:25 pm
by Mark James
Nah it's fine, I was being slightly facetious.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:37 pm
by Matt Morrison
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:49 am
I like to be able to look back and see who died in a given year
What the fuck are you

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:51 pm
by Marc Meakin
Who picked Billy Graham then ?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:05 am
by JimBentley
Marc Meakin wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:51 pm
Who picked Billy Graham then ?
Sean D. had him last year. "One year out!" as Ken Bruce would say.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:41 pm
by Marc Meakin
So no rollover then ?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:30 pm
by JimBentley
Marc Meakin wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:41 pm
So no rollover then ?
Sure, I can continue the 2017 version without a cutoff. Until everyone's choices have died, or until I've died, whichever comes first. I'll have to check to see if I've missed any deaths from these first couple of months, though (don't think I have but you never know). I'll post an updated leaderboard soon (back in the Deathwatch 2017 thread, I won't clutter up this one).

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:42 pm
by Gavin Chipper

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:32 pm
by JimBentley
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:42 pm
Blakey
Bit late with that one! He died in 2015, unless he was resurrected and has died again, of course.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:08 pm
by Ian Volante
JimBentley wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:32 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:42 pm
Blakey
Bit late with that one! He died in 2015, unless he was resurrected and has died again, of course.
Classic case of a zombie article trending for some reason.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:18 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Ian Volante wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:08 pm
JimBentley wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:32 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:42 pm
Blakey
Bit late with that one! He died in 2015, unless he was resurrected and has died again, of course.
Classic case of a zombie article trending for some reason.
It was on the BBC most read down the side. They did previously take measures against this zombie article thing by having a note by the link to really old articles saying its date. Obviously they forgot to carry on doing that.

Anyway I accept full responsibility.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:30 pm
by Marc Meakin
Roger Bannister

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:49 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Trevor Bayliss. And no, this is not a wind-up.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:55 pm
by Marc Meakin
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:49 pm
Trevor Bayliss. And no, this is not a wind-up.
Man was a genius

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:37 am
by Marc Meakin
Ken Dodd RIP.
Lived to be ninety,
Died in the house he was born in.
Didn't really like his jokes although he was good in Beetlejuice

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:08 am
by Thomas Carey
Stephen Hawking :(

Genuinely surprised nobody seemed to really mention him ever

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:45 am
by Gavin Chipper
Thomas Carey wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:08 am
Stephen Hawking :(

Genuinely surprised nobody seemed to really mention him ever
Well he was in my list.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:25 am
by Marc Meakin
He lasted over fifty years with MND.
I do hope he gets a state funeral

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:49 pm
by Marc Meakin
Jim Bowen.
Not smashing super or great news

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:25 pm
by Marc Meakin
Katie Boyle of Eurovision fame has passed away aged 91.
Came as a shock as I thought she died years ago

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:36 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Bill Maynard should be in this thread too.

Also, Winnie Mandela.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:46 pm
by Marc Meakin
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:36 pm
Bill Maynard should be in this thread too.

Also, Winnie Mandela.
He is in the 2017 one

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:20 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Marc Meakin wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:46 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:36 pm
Bill Maynard should be in this thread too.

Also, Winnie Mandela.
He is in the 2017 one
I know but he should be here really as he died this year!

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:22 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Ray Wilkins.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:33 pm
by Gavin Chipper

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:56 am
by Marc Meakin
Genuinely gutted.
He was a legend

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:29 am
by Marc Meakin
Marc Meakin wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:56 am
Genuinely gutted.
He was a legend
I meant Eric Bristow, although Isao Takahata will be missed too

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:54 am
by Mark James
Aaron Ramsey strikes again.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:58 am
by Ian Volante
Mark James wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:54 am
Aaron Ramsey strikes again.
I thought it was a heart attack.

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:43 pm
by Marc Meakin
Mark James wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:54 am
Aaron Ramsey strikes again.
I believe that's 16 now.
I think there's a Ramsaycurse# on the twattersphere

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:05 pm
by Marc Meakin
Aaron Ramsay has just scored, watch this space ......

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:51 am
by Thomas Carey
Barbara Bush
Image

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:14 pm
by Gavin Chipper

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:17 pm
by Mark James
How come you missed R. Lee Emery and Harry Anderson?

Re: Deathwatch 2018

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:41 pm
by Marc Meakin
To be fair Dale Winston is a household name but Avicii is not a household name in his own household.
R. Lee Emery was great in Full Metal Jacket
Never watched Harry Anderson in anything