(I Think I'm Going To) Snap General Election Poll

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Which ones are you going to vote for then

Poll runs till Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:14 pm

Conservatives
3
18%
Labour
4
24%
Lib Dems
4
24%
UKIP
0
No votes
Greens
2
12%
SNP
1
6%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
0
No votes
UUP
0
No votes
SDLP
0
No votes
Alliance
0
No votes
Independent candidate
1
6%
Some other party
0
No votes
Not going to vote
2
12%
Undecided
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 17

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(I Think I'm Going To) Snap General Election Poll

Post by Jennifer Steadman » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:14 pm

8th June.

The big questions:
- Gev For Braintree 2: Electric Boogaloo?
- How big will the Tory landslide be?
- Lib Dem surge? (South-west results will be interesting)
- UKIP collapse?
- Labour collapse?
- How much will the 'left' split between Labour/Lib Dems? How many seats will the Tories take off that?
- How fatigued are voters? (4 consecutive years of big votes in Scotland - IndyRef, GE, referendum, GE...)
- Will the Unionists push back in the GE after having a 'mare in the Northern Irish assembly elections in March?
- Will Corbyn resign after the election?
- What was the fucking point of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act??
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Post by Mark Deeks » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:15 pm

Gev said he won't run. I vote we shake him until he does.
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Post by Marc Meakin » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:29 pm

This election will be the death knell of the Labour Party as we know it.
They will go an SDP/LibDem style break up.
The Lib Dems may get a few extra seats from the deluded masses who think we can unBrexit.
The one trick pony that is the SNP might be in for a shock and Sinn Fein will win enough seats to make the United Ireland brigade to rear their heads.
Still think in Kent and Essex Ukip will get half a dozen seats
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Post by Jennifer Steadman » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:25 pm

Marc Meakin wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:29 pm
Still think in Kent and Essex Ukip will get half a dozen seats
How come? Theresa May's basically gone in the direction with Brexit that UKIP wanted, hasn't she? I'm not really sure what UKIP have to offer now, especially not in counties that are largely made up of Tory strongholds. Possibly means nothing, but they've been doing very poorly in council by-elections so far this year (as have Labour) and Paul Nuttall has awful approval ratings... I thought that maybe they'd have a shot at taking on Labour in the pro-Brexit "Labour heartland" areas but they've just been a mess ever since the referendum.

Now that Article 50's been triggered, I got the impression the Lib Dems were all about pushing to retain single market access (soft Brexit) rather than overturning it altogether?
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:39 pm

Jennifer Steadman wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:25 pm
Marc Meakin wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:29 pm
Still think in Kent and Essex Ukip will get half a dozen seats
How come? Theresa May's basically gone in the direction with Brexit that UKIP wanted, hasn't she? I'm not really sure what UKIP have to offer now, especially not in counties that are largely made up of Tory strongholds. Possibly means nothing, but they've been doing very poorly in council by-elections so far this year (as have Labour) and Paul Nuttall has awful approval ratings... I thought that maybe they'd have a shot at taking on Labour in the pro-Brexit "Labour heartland" areas but they've just been a mess ever since the referendum.

Now that Article 50's been triggered, I got the impression the Lib Dems were all about pushing to retain single market access (soft Brexit) rather than overturning it altogether?
Given that UKIP only got one seat last time (Douglas Carswell in Clacton), I think they're at serious risk of getting none this time.

It makes me wonder - is this election just one big punishment to Douglas Carswell for refusing to have a by-election when he left UKIP? A bit extreme, but it's an interesting (if entirely false) theory.

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Post by Marc Meakin » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:56 pm

I think Thanet north and South, Rochester and maybe Gillingham in Kent and Clacton, Basildon and Southend could be targeted by UKip along with a few northern Labour marginals.
I think labour voters who hate Corbyn may defect.
I think the Lib dem turncoats can only get marginal remainer seats if they promise another referendum
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:37 pm

Jennifer Steadman wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:14 pm
How big will the Tory landslide be?
I'm a bit worried about this one. I'm not going to get into a discussion about Jeremy Corbyn, but deciding that because you think he's a bit crap you're going to vote for the Tories is a bit like saying that your bike helmet looks a bit old and might not work properly so instead of wearing that you're going to repeatedly smash your head against a brick wall.

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Post by David Williams » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:52 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:37 pm
I'm not going to get into a discussion about Jeremy Corbyn, but deciding that because you think he's a bit crap you're going to vote for the Tories is a bit like saying that your bike helmet looks a bit old and might not work properly so instead of wearing that you're going to repeatedly smash your head against a brick wall.
I suspect that for a lot of people it's voting Labour that's more like smashing your head against a brick wall at present.

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Post by JimBentley » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:05 am

Sorry I'm late to the party but I had so much ELECTION FEVER yesterday I couldn't type properly!

Anyway, should be interesting. The consensus opinion seems to be that the Conservatives will be re-elected with a much-increased majority, but I wonder if that's going to happen? There are only so many seats that the Tories can gain, and having the whole election about Brexit means that Tory MPs are going to be challenged by the Lib Dems in Remain-voting areas, and if that becomes a big enough issue that they start losing seats, then what?

It's a really complicated picture this time round, especially if UKIP don't completely disappear. I'm quite excited. Also yes, Toby MUST stand again in Braintree - he's got some fantastic policies that are really going to turn the area around.

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Post by JimBentley » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:46 am

This seems pretty arrogant even for T. May: Theresa May says no to general election TV debates

Presumably there's nothing stopping debates being arranged anyway? The other party leaders could hardly turn them down now and the Conservatives could be represented by a balloon on a string with a frowny face drawn on it.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:50 pm

JimBentley wrote:
Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:46 am
This seems pretty arrogant even for T. May: Theresa May says no to general election TV debates

Presumably there's nothing stopping debates being arranged anyway? The other party leaders could hardly turn them down now and the Conservatives could be represented by a balloon on a string with a frowny face drawn on it.
Well, yes. She shouldn't get to decide if there are any debates. Last time though David Cameron managed to refuse to do a debate and get away with it. Because he didn't want to do it, it got billed as an "opposition" debate and they threw out Nick Clegg as well, as he was also in government. They could do the same this time, but with no coalition, it would be pretty obvious that May is just dodging the debate whatever they decide to call it.

And anyway, if the problem is that these debates make it "too presidential", then she can always get another Tory to debate instead of her, and the public can decide what they want from that.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:54 pm

David Williams wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:52 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:37 pm
I'm not going to get into a discussion about Jeremy Corbyn, but deciding that because you think he's a bit crap you're going to vote for the Tories is a bit like saying that your bike helmet looks a bit old and might not work properly so instead of wearing that you're going to repeatedly smash your head against a brick wall.
I suspect that for a lot of people it's voting Labour that's more like smashing your head against a brick wall at present.
OK, but then voting Tory is like jumping head first off a cliff.

It annoys me how much of a free ride Theresa May has had as leader. It was just decided before she was leader that she was a "safe pair of hands" and that's just stuck. Whereas Corbyn was already a liability before he'd started. Sure, she might have had criticism in the press, but every piece of Corbyn criticism has been followed by "And this brings into question his capability as a leader", whereas May criticism has been contained to the one event without implications about her position generally. Well, I suppose she is a safe pair of hands. Oh no. Not a safe pair of hands. A cunt. That's right. She's a cunt.

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Post by Marc Meakin » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:52 pm

Maybe we might get the perfect storm of complacent tory voters not bothering to vote and a 99% turn out of labour supporters creating another hung parliament.
Either way we are faced between a cock and a hardface
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Post by Marc Meakin » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:53 pm

Maybe we might get the perfect storm of complacent tory voters not bothering to vote and a 99% turn out of labour supporters creating another hung parliament.
Either way we are faced between a cock and a hardface
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Post by JimBentley » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:33 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:54 pm
It annoys me how much of a free ride Theresa May has had as leader. It was just decided before she was leader that she was a "safe pair of hands" and that's just stuck.
Me too. Not even Thatcher at the peak of her popularity got this level of media sycophancy. And at least Thatcher, for all her faults, genuinely seemed to believe that what she was doing would be ultimately helpful for the country. She had values and principles that backed her views. Theresa May, at every turn, just does what is politically expedient for the Conservative Party. If she has principles or values, they would seem to be very fluid.

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Post by Clive Brooker » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:42 am

Jennifer Steadman wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:14 pm
- What was the fucking point of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act??
I think the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is a good thing. Just because we have the most inept opposition in history doesn't make it not so.

There was every reason for Labour to reject May's call for a GE, but Corbyn seems to be living in a weird parallel universe. He should've said "Fuck off, cuntface. Get on with your job. We'll see how popular you are in three years' time when you're supposed to have finished it."

It's looking like May will try to get through this saying absolutely nothing and still get a stonking majority. Of course whey can't reveal anything about any of their plans, can they? That would compromise our negotiating position. Yes of course we've got one. We're the upholders of the will of the people.

The most worrying thing, for me, is that the Tories will use this election to promote (or rather, slip through) the manifesto they've always wanted.

Theresa May has no principles or beliefs whatsoever. She follows whatever course best suits her career. It hardly seems credible that having lived through the Snatcher years, someone could make be long for some good old "conviction politics", but incredibly, May has done it.

The "empty lectern" debate must happen.

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Post by JimBentley » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:54 am

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:54 pm
It annoys me how much of a free ride Theresa May has had as leader.
And just to reinforce this point, the most trenchant political commentary (and pretty much the only anti-May narrative) that I've seen on TV this week came from the participants on Gogglebox last night. That's right, Gogglebox.

Something has gone seriously wrong with the media in this country.

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Post by Ben Wilson » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:10 pm

JimBentley wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:54 am
Something has gone seriously wrong with the media in this country.
Yep.

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Post by Anthony Endsor » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:00 pm

Ben Wilson wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:10 pm
JimBentley wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:54 am
Something has gone seriously wrong with the media in this country.
Yep.
You mean it's taken all these years for you to realise? :lol:

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