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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Heather Styles » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:00 pm

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Thank you for translating my word soup. Other people not to trust: Theresa May (please no-one respond with "But she's a safe pair of hands" without offering evidence); sprouts (admittedly, sprouts aren't literally, literally people, but I thought I'd throw them in anyway as they soon won't be able to be talked about again until Christmas Eve 2017).

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Post by Ian Volante » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:55 pm

Heather Styles wrote:as they soon won't be able to be talked about again until Christmas Eve 2017).
I just had some for lunch, they were very nice.

Also, have we done people who feel the need to use 'IM(H)O' on forums?
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:51 pm

Surely these type of forums are the perfect place to use them, rather than, say, Emails.....IMHO anyway ;)
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:56 pm

Ian Volante wrote:
Heather Styles wrote:as they soon won't be able to be talked about again until Christmas Eve 2017).
I just had some for lunch, they were very nice.

Also, have we done people who feel the need to use 'IM(H)O' on forums?
I don't use them, but it doesn't bother me that much with the more obvious ones. I hate having to work out what they mean. EFYNL anyway.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Heather Styles » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:28 am

Okay, Ian, you've proved me wrong on two counts: that sprouts can be nice, and that they can be talked about after Christmas. I cannot abide IMHO. It is a sure indicator of anything other than humility on part of the owner of the opinion. It's almost as annoying as people who start sentences with, "No offence, but..." If you're going to say something offensive, just get on and do it, and accept any negative fall-out. GSOH is another bugbear; if someone puts that in their dating profile, it tells me that they lack both imagination and originality, and, therefore, do not have a good sense of humour. Unless, of course, they're not using GSOH to mean that - WWIK (what would I know)?

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Post by Ian Volante » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:46 am

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:44 am

Heather Styles wrote:Okay, Ian, you've proved me wrong on two counts: that sprouts can be nice, and that they can be talked about after Christmas. I cannot abide IMHO. It is a sure indicator of anything other than humility on part of the owner of the opinion. It's almost as annoying as people who start sentences with, "No offence, but..." If you're going to say something offensive, just get on and do it, and accept any negative fall-out. GSOH is another bugbear; if someone puts that in their dating profile, it tells me that they lack both imagination and originality, and, therefore, do not have a good sense of humour. Unless, of course, they're not using GSOH to mean that - WWIK (what would I know)?
I can understand that the abbreviation of IMHO can annoy some people who hate text speak.
But I only use the term so people don't think i think I am stating a fact.
The term no offence but is always going to have something offensive following it IMHO
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Ian Volante » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:43 am

Marc Meakin wrote: I can understand that the abbreviation of IMHO can annoy some people who hate text speak.
But I only use the term so people don't think i think I am stating a fact.
The term no offence but is always going to have something offensive following it IMHO
It's nothing to do with it being text speak. To my mind it's pointless, as in most cases it's perfectly clear that the person writing something is expressing their opinion (as an aside, in these post-truth days, that's as good as fact to many).
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Heather Styles » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:29 pm

Marc, no offence, but... if you had taken the trouble to read rather than just quote my words, you would have seen that it is the fake pretence of humility that I dislike about IMHO, not that it is text speak. IMO is unnecessary unless you think your reader may lack the critical faculties to distinguish between fact and opinion (it does seem that an increasing number of people are genuinely incapable of making this distinction though, TBF). Worse than people needlessly saying that their opinion is opinion is when people to pass off opinion as fact by putting the word 'Fact' before or after it, often in capital letters. I've been trying to debate recently with some knuckle-dragging Brexiters (no offence to any Brexiters who have reached the later stages of evolution, BTW) and it's been painful. Not because they have disagreed with me, but because the distinction between fact and opinion has not been understood by them. It is a sad state of affairs when people think that their opinions and those of people like Pound Shop Enoch Powell are to be valued above objective reality.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:48 pm

Heather, you went off on a bit of a tangent there.
Although there is an argument for pots and kettles etc.
I was taking issue with you lumping people who use IMHO with people who are usually casual racist, sexist, etc.when they spout no offence but....
I am shocked you are one of the whinging poor loser remainers rather than a Brexiter.
Guess what, not all Brexiters are knuckle draggers, racists or xenophobes.
Some are even educated, and are successful businessmen.
Though I am referring to Mr Dyson rather than myself here.

A message to all remainers btw , get over it you lost the sky won't fall, life will go on an you might even be better off....lots of offence and not buts
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Post by Heather Styles » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:45 pm

Of course not all Brexiters are knuckle-draggers, racists or xenophobes. I have met many intelligent Brexiters, but the ones I've been trying to debate with this week have mainly been several sandwiches short of a picnic. Yes, I'm one of the whinging poor loser remainers. I'll get over it as soon as I see anything resembling a good set of negotiating objectives. I have a feeling I could be waiting a long time.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:11 pm

The fundemental problem with the whole brexit thing is nobody in government really believed the brexiters would win so there wasn't a contingency plan.
Do you think Cameron would have pledged to have the referendum in his manifesto if he thought he would lose.
Even Farage..yes fair does a racist etc....conceded defeat in the wee small hours.
Moral of the story is that you should never underestimate the voting public,as every sensible American has found to their cost.
Give me Breit over being lead by Trump anyday
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Conor » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:50 am

Language needn't prioritize concision over clarity (IMHO). Being sometimes tautological is just how we naturally communicate, and you are not clever for pointing out potential redundancies in people's writing.

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Post by Heather Styles » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:46 am

My journalistic training taught me to value concise expression, but not at the expense of clarity. The challenge of any good newspaper journalist is that of finding the shortest way of saying something without potentially misleading the reader. This involves excising tautologous phrases. If a piece is headed 'Comment', or you say 'Person XYZ commented... ", then what follows is clearly opinion, and phrases such as "I think" can come out (if the reporter puts them in, a good sub editor will take them out). In the newspaper world, there is a financial reason why brevity is encouraged and favoured - wasted words cost the publisher paper and ink. In my professional opinion (IMPO?), it is at least a little bit clever to be able to cut down a 500-word piece to, say, 200 words without sacrificing meaning. Text speak also arises from the desire to save money. The person texting saves even more pennies by excluding unnecessary phrases than by abbreviating them, so again, concise expression is where the smart money is. Internet communications are often not subject to wordcount constraints, but brevity can still be a virtue, as considerations such as reader attention span still apply. I am not saying that there is never a need to announce an opinion as such, but it is usually clear from the context. The same applies to everyday conversations; people don't tend to remark, "What rubbish weather we're having, in my humble opinion!" In my experience, people who are genuinely humble about their opinions simply offer them directly, without fuss or fanfare. If you ever meet anyone who says "In my humble opinion" and you are then struck by the humility of what follows, please let me know, because I'd like to meet them, too.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Heather Styles » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:59 am

The lack of a plan for Brexit is certainly a big problem, but I don't view it as the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem, as I see it, is the lack of a legal framework for Brexit. Any political plan for Brexit will fail if it cannot legally be implemented. This is why many people, including me, believe that Theresa May would be foolish to trigger Article 50 as soon as March this year. If a success is to be made of Brexit (to me, that still sounds like trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear, but let's roll with the idea that Brexit could be a success), the government needs to allow itself and Parliament as much preparation time as possible. Rome was not built in a day. Which is worse, Brexit or Trump? Only time will tell. At the moment I'm thinking probably Brexit, on the basis that at least Trump can be voted out in four years' time.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:45 am

People who don't use paragraphs.

People who hijack this thread to talk about "Brexit".

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:00 am

Theresa May, a remained, should never have been given the job to steer the ship to a port she did not want to go to.
Cameron should have triggered a general election when he left.
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:04 am

Probably not tautology, but some of the phrases people say that can annoy are, 'you know ' and He turned round and said ( I always imagine someone in a swivel chair ).
Also football ones like ' early doors '
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Heather Styles » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:10 pm

I plead technical incompetence. I love paragraph breaks, but didn't realise they were possible using this smartphone. Oh look, it's that button there. Phew.

I didn't make up the term 'Brexit' and I agree, it's naff, partly because 'Britain' is a nebulous term and there is no consensus about whether or not it includes Northern Ireland. It will be 'UK exit' from me from now on. What's wrong with overlapping forum threads? Politics has cropped up in the crisps thread, for example, and the politics thread has veered into ethics. What next, an ethics thread where talking about crisps is a no-no?

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:51 pm

I like Brexit as a term , just because I like it when politicians and journalists keep saying breakfast.
Probably a Freudian slip because the government are making a dogs breakfast of leaving the EU
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:35 pm

Heather Styles wrote:I plead technical incompetence. I love paragraph breaks, but didn't realise they were possible using this smartphone. Oh look, it's that button there. Phew.

I didn't make up the term 'Brexit' and I agree, it's naff, partly because 'Britain' is a nebulous term and there is no consensus about whether or not it includes Northern Ireland. It will be 'UK exit' from me from now on. What's wrong with overlapping forum threads? Politics has cropped up in the crisps thread, for example, and the politics thread has veered into ethics. What next, an ethics thread where talking about crisps is a no-no?
Actually I probably would include people who don't think you can post off topic. But having said that I did think "Oh no - not this again!"

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:25 pm

How about people who hold 6 year grudges and won't allow a forumite to create new topics despite several public and public apologies
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:05 pm

Marc Meakin wrote:How about people who hold 6 year grudges and won't allow a forumite to create new topics despite several public and public apologies
Have you asked directly? Send a PM.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:50 pm

Yes a couple of years ago....I suppose I could try again.
Just realised my last post said public and public not public and private.
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:32 pm

People who insist that dates, rather than being a fruit in their own right, are dried plums, even when you point out how strange it is that the stone completely changes shape in the drying process.

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Gavin Chipper wrote:People who insist that dates, rather than being a fruit in their own right, are dried plums, even when you point out how strange it is that the stone completely changes shape in the drying process.
I'm confused. What is the stone changing shape supposed to indicate? Why not just point out that they come form different plants?

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:01 pm

Mark James wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:People who insist that dates, rather than being a fruit in their own right, are dried plums, even when you point out how strange it is that the stone completely changes shape in the drying process.
I'm confused. What is the stone changing shape supposed to indicate? Why not just point out that they come form different plants?
The fact that plums and dates have different shaped stones is a good proof that they are different things without having to refer to a source. It's a clear indicator that they are completely different things.

Sayig that they come from different plants is just another way of saying "I'm right and you're wrong". If they didn't believe you to start with, telling them about the plants is unlikely to change things.

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Post by JimBentley » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:16 am

Gavin Chipper wrote:People who insist that dates, rather than being a fruit in their own right, are dried plums, even when you point out how strange it is that the stone completely changes shape in the drying process.
I always thought that prunes were dried plums? Dates aren't related at all, are they?

Who are these people that insist on such a thing? NAME AND SHAME THEM.

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Post by Marc Meakin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:35 am

I am guilty of mixing figs with dates.
Purely on an Ant and Dec basis though.
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Matt Morrison » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:47 am

Marc Meakin wrote:I am guilty of mixing figs with dates.
Purely on an Ant and Dec basis though.
Try and make sure you always leave your figs on the left.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:23 pm

People who refer to the president of America as "the leader of the free world" without any quote marks or "so called" etc. That's not what they are. It's not a real thing.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:25 pm

JimBentley wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:People who insist that dates, rather than being a fruit in their own right, are dried plums, even when you point out how strange it is that the stone completely changes shape in the drying process.
I always thought that prunes were dried plums? Dates aren't related at all, are they?

Who are these people that insist on such a thing? NAME AND SHAME THEM.
Prunes are dried plums, yes. But I'm not sure about the relatedness between plums and dates. Probably very distant though.

I can't actually remember who these people are. But it's happened. And it's weird.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Heather Styles » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:29 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:People who refer to the president of America as "the leader of the free world" without any quote marks or "so called" etc. That's not what they are. It's not a real thing.
I agree. Where would you put the quote marks - around leader, free, or both?

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:36 pm

Heather Styles wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:People who refer to the president of America as "the leader of the free world" without any quote marks or "so called" etc. That's not what they are. It's not a real thing.
I agree. Where would you put the quote marks - around leader, free, or both?
Round the whole thing. "Leader of the free world".

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:14 pm

People who order food and then later have no clue what they've ordered and either try to claim someone else's food or when their own food arrives sit there for half an hour while the waiter/waitress is shouting out to find out ordered it.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:55 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:14 pm
People who order food and then later have no clue what they've ordered and either try to claim someone else's food or when their own food arrives sit there for half an hour while the waiter/waitress is shouting out to find out ordered it.
That sounds alcohol related.
I can tolerate inebriated people in most situations except restaurants
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Gavin Chipper wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:14 pm
People who order food and then later have no clue what they've ordered and either try to claim someone else's food or when their own food arrives sit there for half an hour while the waiter/waitress is shouting out to find out ordered it.
We want names Gevin.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:15 pm

Ryan Taylor wrote:
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People who order food and then later have no clue what they've ordered and either try to claim someone else's food or when their own food arrives sit there for half an hour while the waiter/waitress is shouting out to find out ordered it.
We want names Gevin.
James Laverty did the second one where he was oblivious to his food arriving.

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Post by Euan Slatter » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:27 pm

I did it once.... When there was one other family in the "restaurant". :oops:
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Post by Mark Deeks » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:05 pm

I forgot what I ordered for about two seconds and Gev exploded with rage. Wildly overreacted. PEOPLE YOU SHOULDN'T TRUST - People who wildly overreact at other people very briefly forgetting whether they ordered gammon steak or not.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:56 pm

People who make stupid squelching noises when they talk - normally when they're about to start talking.

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People who make stupid squelching noises when they talk - normally when they're about to start talking.
*squelch* I actu*squelch*ally consider jumping *squelch* out of my win*squelch*dow when I hea*squelch*r them *squelch*
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Gavin Chipper wrote:
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People who make stupid squelching noises when they talk - normally when they're about to start talking.
Do you mean squelching as in John Merrick , or a different kind of squelching.
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People who have their Windows taskbar on the side, not the bottom.
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Post by Matt Morrison » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:26 pm

you trust people who have it on the top?

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Post by Mark Deeks » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:29 pm

Surely there's no such fool in Christendom.
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:26 pm

Marc Meakin wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:08 am
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:56 pm
People who make stupid squelching noises when they talk - normally when they're about to start talking.
Do you mean squelching as in John Merrick , or a different kind of squelching.
Dunno. How does he squelch?

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Post by Euan Slatter » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:36 pm

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Charlie Reams » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:30 am

People who use backtick instead of apostrophe. "I`m fine, how`re you?" whaaaaat.

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Post by Marc Meakin » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:41 am

Charlie Reams wrote:
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People who use backtick instead of apostrophe. "I`m fine, how`re you?" whaaaaat.
Didn't even know there was a backtick, let alone what it's function is.
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People who have their Windows taskbar on the side, not the bottom.
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Post by Mark Heebs » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:03 pm

You shouldn't trust me I am a loser
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:18 pm

Don't say that. Furthermore, what's done on apto stays on apto I think is the general consensus. Don't dwell on it.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Matt Morrison » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:24 pm

wot

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Ian Volante » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:07 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:30 am
People who use backtick instead of apostrophe. "I`m fine, how`re you?" whaaaaat.
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:22 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:56 pm
People who make stupid squelching noises when they talk - normally when they're about to start talking.
Spoiler alert - a recent Countdown champion (not series champion (not yet at least)) does this.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Gavin Chipper » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:59 pm

People who think it's acceptable to go around without socks on (with or without shoes/slippers).
People who don't have an obvious hand towel in the bog room of their house/flat so that when visitors use it, they're left wondering which person's bath towel to use.

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Marc Meakin » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:55 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:59 pm
People who think it's acceptable to go around without socks on (with or without shoes/slippers).
People who don't have an obvious hand towel in the bog room of their house/flat so that when visitors use it, they're left wondering which person's bath towel to use.
Presumably you mean men
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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Euan Slatter » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:52 pm

Frank Feilding, Fabian Gieffer, Richard O'Donnell, Max O'Leary.
COUNTDOWN or THE TUBE? Which is better? There's only one way to find out....

Call it a draw :)

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Re: People you shouldn't trust

Post by Peter Mabey » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:13 pm

Euan Slatter wrote:
Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:52 pm
Frank Feilding, Fabian Gieffer, Richard O'Donnell, Max O'Leary.
... and Einstein :)

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