Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

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Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Ray Wilding » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm

GOATIER in R5.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Tom S » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:55 pm

A most impressive performance in the letters by John today-certainly finding his groove, just unfortunate that his numbers are not up to scratch. Though 114 was a bit of late spot by me today though, but got there in the end :P

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Christy Cooper » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:36 pm

Anita's anecdote about Papua New Guinea was very entertaining. I know it's not relevant to the game, but just thought I'd mention it anyway πŸ˜‚

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Toby McDonald » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:46 pm

VESICANT for a R4 beater.
NEUROPILS for a R10 alt.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Ryan Lam » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 am

Christy Cooper wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:36 pm
Anita's anecdote about Papua New Guinea was very entertaining. I know it's not relevant to the game, but just thought I'd mention it anyway πŸ˜‚
Have to second this...and for that, I respect her for going through all that. Heck, I would have just given up halfway and requested to get the hell out of there!
Tom S wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:55 pm
A most impressive performance in the letters by John today-certainly finding his groove, just unfortunate that his numbers are not up to scratch. Though 114 was a bit of late spot by me today though, but got there in the end :P
Numbers wise you can't say that today...maybe yes yesterday but here it's not easy to spot the solutions. Shame on me I didn't get 114 in R14 and missed everything else except R6. :(

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Philip Wilson » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:04 am

Ryan Lam wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:39 am

Numbers wise you can't say that today...maybe yes yesterday but here it's not easy to spot the solutions. Shame on me I didn't get 114 in R14 and missed everything else except R6. :(
I thought the numbers were tricky today but wasn't sure if I was having a bad day, lol. Eventually I found 114 as 8 x (7+3) + 25 + 9 or 9 x (7+3) + 25 - 1. (edit after checking back)

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Peter Mabey » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm

Dunno why 114 was tricky : it's obviously 19x6 , so 25+3-9 x 7-1 with time to spare :)

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:10 pm

Peter Mabey wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm
Dunno why 114 was tricky : it's obviously 19x6 , so 25+3-9 x 7-1 with time to spare :)
I did that too. Both the method and the time.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Steve Hawdon » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:09 pm

Ray Wilding wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm
GOATIER in R5.
Not in the dictionary. Goaty is but you cant add ier or iest

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by samir pilica » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 pm

Goatier - a comparative adjective, so would have been valid if declared.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Steve Hawdon » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 am

samir pilica wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Goatier - a comparative adjective, so would have been valid if declared.
Sorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalid

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 am

Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 am
samir pilica wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Goatier - a comparative adjective, so would have been valid if declared.
Sorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalid
It's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Steve Hawdon » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:35 am

Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 am
Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 am
samir pilica wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 pm
Goatier - a comparative adjective, so would have been valid if declared.
Sorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalid
It's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.
I'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.

As u say, it is in Apterous but Apterous is out of line with the OED in this case.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pm

Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:35 am
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 am
Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 am


Sorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalid
It's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.
I'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.

As u say, it is in Apterous but Apterous is out of line with the OED in this case.
Apterous is generally a very, very good and accurate arbiter for words, and mistakes are extremely rare. I'm fairly certain in words where it's one syllable-y eg TRICK-Y, GAMM-Y, GOAT-Y the superlative forms are also allowable and I would wager that this would almost certainly be allowed on the show. I can't profess I know exactly whether it would or wouldn't be allowed on the show, only the producer would really know that and if it is really such an issue I suggest you take it up with him personally. If I spotted it on the show I'd be going for it, anyway. If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Steve Hawdon » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:59 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pm
Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:35 am
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 am


It's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.
I'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.

As u say, it is in Apterous but Apterous is out of line with the OED in this case.
Apterous is generally a very, very good and accurate arbiter for words, and mistakes are extremely rare. I'm fairly certain in words where it's one syllable-y eg TRICK-Y, GAMM-Y, GOAT-Y the superlative forms are also allowable and I would wager that this would almost certainly be allowed on the show. I can't profess I know exactly whether it would or wouldn't be allowed on the show, only the producer would really know that and if it is really such an issue I suggest you take it up with him personally. If I spotted it on the show I'd be going for it, anyway. If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?
I wouldnt go for it on the show with goatier. The show rule is quite clear as intimated earlier in the thread. Goatier would not be allowed as it is not specified separately in the OED online. That is the rule per Suzy Dent.

Apterous is simply wrong in this instance. If you look at a word like beaky for example, beakiest and beakier are not allowed as they are not specified separately in the OED online premium edition. They are also not allowed on Apterous.

U can describe a cheese or anything else as goatier but it would be disallowed on Countdown

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Ray Wilding » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:04 pm

Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:59 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pm
Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:35 am


I'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.

As u say, it is in Apterous but Apterous is out of line with the OED in this case.
Apterous is generally a very, very good and accurate arbiter for words, and mistakes are extremely rare. I'm fairly certain in words where it's one syllable-y eg TRICK-Y, GAMM-Y, GOAT-Y the superlative forms are also allowable and I would wager that this would almost certainly be allowed on the show. I can't profess I know exactly whether it would or wouldn't be allowed on the show, only the producer would really know that and if it is really such an issue I suggest you take it up with him personally. If I spotted it on the show I'd be going for it, anyway. If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?
I wouldnt go for it on the show with goatier. The show rule is quite clear as intimated earlier in the thread. Goatier would not be allowed as it is not specified separately in the OED online. That is the rule per Suzy Dent.

Apterous is simply wrong in this instance. If you look at a word like beaky for example, beakiest and beakier are not allowed as they are not specified separately in the OED online premium edition. They are also not allowed on Apterous.

U can describe a cheese or anything else as goatier but it would be disallowed on Countdown
I may as well clarify that the reason it was ticketed and made valid on apterous is because it WAS specified in the free version. It was probably never in the premium version. And now the comparatives/superlatives have disappeared from the free version again, so it's no longer visible. GOATIER could make a return at some point, but for the time being it would be invalid.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:12 pm

It'd be interesting to see the verdict of the actual producer on this. I'm happy to concede if wrong but there are certain rules that they apply eg the restaurant rule. If a cheese is more goaty than the other than how do you describe it? GOATIER, GOATIEST seem logical.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Fred Mumford » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:26 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pm
If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?
Repulsive?

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:45 pm

Fred Mumford wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:26 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pm
If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?
Repulsive?
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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Steve Hawdon » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:51 pm

Sarah Millican tried goatier once on Cats Countdown - disallowed

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:53 pm

Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:51 pm
Sarah Millican tried goatier once on Cats Countdown - disallowed
When?

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Steve Hawdon » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:06 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:53 pm
Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:51 pm
Sarah Millican tried goatier once on Cats Countdown - disallowed
When?
Don't know. Some time back. U could find it on All4

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:08 pm

Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:06 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:53 pm
Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:51 pm
Sarah Millican tried goatier once on Cats Countdown - disallowed
When?
Don't know. Some time back. U could find it on All4
Then it holds no water. Dictionary updates happen all the time and many words disallowed previously are now valid. The only way to know for sure if it would be allowed is to ask Damian himself to clarify.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:12 pm
It'd be interesting to see the verdict of the actual producer on this. I'm happy to concede if wrong but there are certain rules that they apply eg the restaurant rule. If a cheese is more goaty than the other than how do you describe it? GOATIER, GOATIEST seem logical.
The basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:12 pm
It'd be interesting to see the verdict of the actual producer on this. I'm happy to concede if wrong but there are certain rules that they apply eg the restaurant rule. If a cheese is more goaty than the other than how do you describe it? GOATIER, GOATIEST seem logical.
The basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.
Will just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:32 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:12 pm
It'd be interesting to see the verdict of the actual producer on this. I'm happy to concede if wrong but there are certain rules that they apply eg the restaurant rule. If a cheese is more goaty than the other than how do you describe it? GOATIER, GOATIEST seem logical.
The basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.
Will just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.
I'm not sure I'd ever describe a cheese as goaty in the first place, let alone compare two goaty cheeses! Does anyone ever call a cheese cowy?

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:37 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:32 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pm


The basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.
Will just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.
I'm not sure I'd ever describe a cheese as goaty in the first place, let alone compare two goaty cheeses! Does anyone ever call a cheese cowy?
I'd never use half of the words I play on apterous, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned as to whether they're allowed :lol:

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Owen Carroll » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:53 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:37 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:32 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 pm


Will just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.
I'm not sure I'd ever describe a cheese as goaty in the first place, let alone compare two goaty cheeses! Does anyone ever call a cheese cowy?
I'd never use half of the words I play on apterous, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned as to whether they're allowed :lol:
How good are you at countdown Elliott?

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Bradley Horrocks » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:23 pm

Owen Carroll wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:53 pm

How good are you at countdown Elliott?
I'd say he's odds on to win a teapot.

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Owen Carroll » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:53 pm

Bradley Horrocks wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:23 pm
Owen Carroll wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:53 pm

How good are you at countdown Elliott?
I'd say he's odds on to win a teapot.
Ok. Thanks Bradley. Btw I thought you'd become series champion

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Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)

Post by Countdown Team » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:55 am

Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:09 pm
Ray Wilding wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm
GOATIER in R5.
Not in the dictionary. Goaty is but you cant add ier or iest
This.

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