Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

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Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

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MODIFIER a beater in R5
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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Tom S » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:38 pm

SURLIER as an alternative in R7.

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Tom S » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:07 pm

First time playing against Graeme today, who's quite a solid player, and did beat me in R10 with his DEPUTISE to my DISPUTE. I did like the fact that the first teaser was incorporated to use Mike's name, (is that the first time such has been used with a player in the same game?), but Mike as a player in general was generally alright, with a bit of a bad patch in the early rounds. Also, to put this question out: If I saw a word after the 30 seconds, and I was 2nd to declare, would that be acceptable?, as I saw DISALLOW just as Graeme declared an 8. Many thanks.
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Me: 108-78 (Graeme)
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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Johnny Canuck » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:25 pm

Tom S wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:07 pm
Also, to put this question out: If I saw a word after the 30 seconds, and I was 2nd to declare, would that be acceptable?, as I saw DISALLOW just as Graeme declared an 8. Many thanks.
I would say that's fair game, provided you also state that your word is not written down.

MUCONATE as a beater and darren in Round 1.

Yet another poacher's goal on the first numbers, as Mike could have simply added 9 - 8 at the end.
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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Tom S » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:27 pm

Johnny Canuck wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:25 pm
Tom S wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:07 pm
Also, to put this question out: If I saw a word after the 30 seconds, and I was 2nd to declare, would that be acceptable?, as I saw DISALLOW just as Graeme declared an 8. Many thanks.
I would say that's fair game, provided you also state that your word is not written down.

I thought so, thanks for the clarification :) .

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm

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Lovely gesture by Graham on the conundrum, if anyone saw.

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm

Surely the Wiki should mention the aptness of the teaser?

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Johnny Canuck » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:14 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm
Surely the Wiki should mention the aptness of the teaser?
I put that on Mike's own page.
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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Tom S » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:10 pm

Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm
PEDIFORM R5

Lovely gesture by Graham on the conundrum, if anyone saw.
What did he do specifically?

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Martin Hurst » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:53 am

Tom S wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:10 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm
PEDIFORM R5

Lovely gesture by Graham on the conundrum, if anyone saw.
What did he do specifically?
I noticed this too - Mike shouted out the answer before buzzing and instead of Graeme buzzing himself and stealing it, he let Mike buzz properly and take the points. Would be interesting to know what others would have done in this situation - particularly (unlike this occasion) if it was a crucial! :)

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Philip Wilson » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:04 pm

Martin Hurst wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:53 am
Tom S wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:10 pm
Elliott Mellor wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm
PEDIFORM R5

Lovely gesture by Graham on the conundrum, if anyone saw.
What did he do specifically?
I noticed this too - Mike shouted out the answer before buzzing and instead of Graeme buzzing himself and stealing it, he let Mike buzz properly and take the points. Would be interesting to know what others would have done in this situation - particularly (unlike this occasion) if it was a crucial! :)
Yes, noticed that too. Very friendly play!
If it was crucial it would be difficult to say unless actually in that situation I imagine.
Tom, RR said it was the first time a contestant's name was used as a teatime teaser.

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:32 pm

Philip Wilson wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:04 pm
Martin Hurst wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:53 am
Tom S wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:10 pm

What did he do specifically?
I noticed this too - Mike shouted out the answer before buzzing and instead of Graeme buzzing himself and stealing it, he let Mike buzz properly and take the points. Would be interesting to know what others would have done in this situation - particularly (unlike this occasion) if it was a crucial! :)
Yes, noticed that too. Very friendly play!
If it was crucial it would be difficult to say unless actually in that situation I imagine.
Tom, RR said it was the first time a contestant's name was used as a teatime teaser.
I'd absolutely do the same thing as Graeme - be it crucial or not, for the points record, for octochampdom or whatever - I couldn't nick it considering they had fairly got the answer before me and had just forgotten to buzz. I'd rather lose and be lauded as honest than win and be branded quite frankly a bit of a prick.

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Tom S » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:42 pm

Have seen it again, very nice gesture by Graeme as previously discussed, makes your heart warm seeing that. Nevertheless, there has seemed to be a shortage of twits on this series, which is always nice. Good performance by Graeme again today, certainly Octo material.

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by David Williams » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:24 pm

Tom S wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:07 pm
If I saw a word after the 30 seconds, and I was 2nd to declare, would that be acceptable?, as I saw DISALLOW just as Graeme declared an 8.
Been debated in the past. Many would say it was unacceptable. Personally I've always felt it was OK. But hesitate for a nanosecond and it's cheating. And, because it's not written down, you saw it somewhere between 29 seconds and when you actually declared. There's always going to be a suspicion that you only saw it when your opponent declared an eight. Skating on thin ice.

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by Elliott Mellor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:46 pm

David Williams wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:24 pm
Tom S wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:07 pm
If I saw a word after the 30 seconds, and I was 2nd to declare, would that be acceptable?, as I saw DISALLOW just as Graeme declared an 8.
Been debated in the past. Many would say it was unacceptable. Personally I've always felt it was OK. But hesitate for a nanosecond and it's cheating. And, because it's not written down, you saw it somewhere between 29 seconds and when you actually declared. There's always going to be a suspicion that you only saw it when your opponent declared an eight. Skating on thin ice.
I'd have no trouble doing this, in fact I was in Tom's exact position here except I saw a different 8 after he declared, and I'd definitely have no trouble declaring it not written down in the studio. It's not so much cheating as bending the rules slightly, but then technically if you're only going to allow exactly 30 seconds you shouldn't reveal the letters until the clock starts and should have people declare at the same time somehow immediately after the round has ended, which would clearly be a bit weird. I seem to recall you (David) in the past mentioning on another topic about if a contestant declares a 9 and you haven't got one it becomes a conundrum and most of the time you're able to spot it before the other contestant has declared, be interesting to know whether people would declare it not written down or if the circumstances mattered. I think it's slightly different to stalling for loads of time to find one - if you see it immediately fair enough but when it's "a........verrrrrrr-yyyyyyyyy.......dod......gyy eeeighhhtt Iiiiiiii thiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnkkkkkk.....................not wri...tten...down..." it takes the mickey a bit.

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Re: Spoilers for Monday 13th November 2017 (Series 77, Prelim 94)

Post by David Williams » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:19 pm

I'll say again. Hesitate for a nanosecond and it's obvious you are trying to match your opponent's word after the time, so you're cheating. If you find yourself in that situation the only thing you can do is say "I'll stick with a safe seven", which at least makes it possible that you had a dodgy eight - SALLOWED, perhaps. But the slightest hesitation followed by DISALLOW, not written down, is just so blatantly obvious on screen even if you get away with it.

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