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Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:01 pm
by Zarte Siempre
Hi Graeme,

I'd like to ask if anything has happened lately of note, cos no-one's asking stuff, and you're not answering stuff.

Anything massively of note that we might have missed?

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:03 am
by DJ Marky Mark
Hi Graeme, Remembering my wife's amazing comeback against Neil Stephenson, 21 behind with 4 rounds to go and winning by 22 points, is there any other players that have come from behind better than that. :D :) ;)

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:23 pm
by Graeme Cole
Turns out this thread is still a thing.
Johnny Canuck wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:18 am
Following on from the infamous FREEDRUTH incident, how many times has a conundrum answer been used more than once in a series? I know PROUDSTEP => SUPPORTED was also used twice, about 2-3 weeks apart, during or around the time of Robbo's original run in Series 49.
This has happened more times than I expected. Quite a few conundrum answers have been used twice in the same series, but never more than that.

DECLARING and PRECEDENT appeared twice each in the Masters series 1.
BLEACHING and ESTABLISH appeared twice each in the Masters series 2.

In series 13, FURTHERED appeared twice, as you said. http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_611 and http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_614

Since then, a number of conundrums have appeared twice in the same series: REKINDLED in series 32, ATROCIOUS in series 40, SUPPORTED In series 49, BURNISHED and SQUEALING in series 51, PENSIONER, PONDERING and STRESSING in series 53, CAREERING, DANDELION, DEMOCRACY, EMPLOYING and MUSTERING in series 54, LOOSENING in series 56, ROCKETING and SMOOCHING in series 57, GRUMPIEST in series 59, and CONTRIVED most recently in series 75.
Johnny Canuck wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:57 am
Was this the first game with more than one repdigit target?
Yes.
Thomas Carey wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:45 pm
Dunno if you've answered this but who got the toughest 15r octorun (by combined maxes of the 8 opponents)? That's probably not the best way to do it as 4 good ones and 4 shit ones is a lot harder than 8 mediocre ones. Dunno, squares of maxes? Feel free to suggest a better system. Either way, Mark Murray probably wins it.
Yep. Sums of maxes of heat game opponents of 15-round octochamps, sorted by total opponent maxes over the eight games:

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Mark Murray      53
Glen Webb        47
Steven Moir      47
Tricia Pay       47
Neil Zussman     46
Ryan Taylor      46
Dan McColm       44
George Ford      44
Julian Fell      44
Oliver Garner    44
Ben Wilson wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:17 am
Related to my question above, going by numbers of maxes achieved, what's been the biggest 'upset' in the history of the show? By which I mean, what's the biggest difference between the average number of maxes per game where the player with the lower average won.
I'm going to take this as "average maxes per round" rather than "per game" to avoid problems with 9 rounders v 15 rounders. Also I'm giving every player an "average maxes per round" figure for all their appearances ever on Countdown, even ones after the game in question was played.

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EP     WINNER            LOSER             DIFFERENCE IN TOTAL MAXES PER ROUND
154    Clinton Rae       Robert Richland   0.428104575163399   
729    Dave Clapham      Rose Meyer        0.407407407407407   
1423   Theresa McKeown   Alec Webb         0.407407407407407   
1819   Mike Llewellin    June Ruskin       0.37037037037037    
1566   Adrian Cothard    Gregg Magee       0.365079365079365   
1750   Bob Lynn          Steve Gruzd       0.351851851851852   
843    Cathy Bland       Evan Simpson      0.337535014005602   
451    Steve Wood        Paul Robson       0.333333333333333   
1076   Robert Houston    Ewen Alexander    0.333333333333333   
2250   Ged Hayes         Paul James        0.325396825396825   
A lot of people in this table are players where the loser came back in a later series and did very well, bringing their average up. However, that's not true of the top entry, unless you count a later Masters appearance: in episode 154, Clinton Rae (2 maxes from 18 rounds) beat Robert Richland (55 maxes from 102 rounds), and this is the biggest upset by this metric.
Johnny Canuck wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:19 pm
In Series 47, all 8 finalists were octochamps, and they together achieved 6336 points in their heats. Is this the highest aggregate heat game total among all finalists? If not, what is the highest? What is the lowest? Would you be able to make a ranking of all 15-round finalist aggregate heat game totals?
This is surprisingly difficult and fiddly to do, because the database doesn't know who the finalists for a series are, only who played in the quarter finals, and we can't just add up the heat scores of each of those players because some of the players might have appeared years before. I'll answer this if I can see an easier way to do it.
Johnny Canuck wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:57 pm
What month (January, February, etc.; irrespective of year) has had the most episodes, overall, broadcast in it?
Surprisingly, the answer is February, the shortest month of the year. This answer, like all answers in this post, counts all episodes up to the end of series 77, so we're not counting any episodes from January and February this year. This is probably something to do with what time of year the old three-month series were shown, before Countdown was shown all year round. January and December are affected by the Christmas break.

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Feb     654
Mar     645
Jan     644
Jul     601
Nov     593
Sep     584
Oct     565
Apr     544
Aug     544
May     532
Jun     512
Dec     457
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:04 pm
What's the most consecutive weekdays that Countdown has been on? (New shows - early morning repeats don't count.)
This episode on 29th December 1997 was the first in an unbroken 409-episode run of weekday episodes, which ended with the episode on 21st July 1999.
Matty Artell wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:35 pm
I'd be mildly surprised if your database can answer this, so I leave it as an exercise to anyone who studies bus timetables. The bus I'm currently on stops in both Worsley and Pendleton. (Looking forward to being inside both of them). Is this the bus route with the most apterite surnames?
FAO Jeff Clayton.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:32 pm
by Graeme Cole
Johnny Canuck wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:54 pm
In Round 1 of this game, the first three letters drawn were QXZ. Have all four of the "difficult" letters (those three plus the J) ever appeared in the same round? If not, how many times have three of them appeared?
No selection has ever had J, Q, X and Z in it. 18 selections have had three of those letters, most recently in round 13 of this game.
Johnny Canuck wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:54 pm
I also vaguely recall going through the archives, most likely a very early series, and seeing a round with three Ys; can someone please confirm its presence for me to prove I'm not just going slightly mad?
Round 7 in this very early episode.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:07 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Good to see you back, Graeme!

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:28 pm
by Callum Todd
Hi Graeme,

Please forgive me for asking a question motivated primarily out of self-interest, but I remember being told after my heat games that I was the first person to pick 6 small on all 16 opportunities during an 8-game heats run. I was wondering if you could give us an up-to-date breakdown of the people to have most commonly picked 6 small, 3 large, or 4 large during their televised games. I exclude 1 large and 2 large as they are somewhat default picks and I am assuming the results of that inquiry would be uninteresting, but if you believe otherwise then by all means share them too.

To clarify, something along the lines of:
- People to have picked 6 small the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 6 small the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)
- People to have picked 3 large the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 3 large the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)
- People to have picked 4 large the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 4 large the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)

Would be very interesting. Thanks.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:34 pm
by Zarte Siempre
Callum Todd wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:28 pm
Hi Graeme,

Ple......ting. Thanks.
In addition to this, would it be possible to demonstrate the reverse - who has picked most schizophrenically across their episodes?

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:29 pm
by Noel Mc
Callum Todd wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:28 pm
- People to have picked 4 large the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 4 large the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)
Im probably the answer to this (potentially tied).
16/16 4L
20/20 4L including up to semi final

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:38 pm
by Bradley Horrocks
Callum Todd wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:28 pm
- People to have picked 6 small the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 6 small the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)

Would be very interesting. Thanks.
John Cowen was the Noel of 6 small, exact same stats. No one will be surprised to see them add to that number once CoC is broadcast, just a question of how many!
I can think of regular 3-largers from the old 15 era, but of course they only had 10 numbers choices over their octoruns.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:44 pm
by Thomas Carey
Lowest debut score for an octochamp? (57 happened recently which must be close to the 15 round record. I guess do whatever with previous runs). Series champ?

How many games (that we know of) have not had GO available as a valid 2?

Looking forward to some very meaty stats after coc

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:10 pm
by Jennifer Steadman
How many selections in Countdown's history could you get the word GRAEME from? Have there ever been any rounds with GRAEGRAE in the selection?

Asking the important questions.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:15 pm
by Tom S
Jennifer Steadman wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:10 pm
How many selections in Countdown's history could you get the word GRAEME from? Have there ever been any rounds with GRAEGRAE in the selection?

Asking the important questions.
MEAGRE for GRAEME :)

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:08 pm
by Graeme Cole
DJ Marky Mark wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:03 am
Hi Graeme, Remembering my wife's amazing comeback against Neil Stephenson, 21 behind with 4 rounds to go and winning by 22 points, is there any other players that have come from behind better than that. :D :) ;)
The biggest ever comeback in terms of the biggest deficit in the game by the eventual winner was by Richard Pay in this game, where he won despite being 40 points behind with 6 rounds left.

The furthest behind the eventual winner has been with four rounds left is 33 by Rory Coleman against Graham Harrison. For three rounds left, it's 26, in the same game. Pete Cashmore was 20 points behind against Paul Peters with two rounds left but went on to win, and of course that record can't be beaten.

However, in Tracey's case she not only came back from 22 points behind to win, but she won by 21. Now, if you count a comeback as your biggest deficit anywhere in the game plus your eventual winning margin, you get unhelpful results - a player might come back from 6 behind after round 1 to win by 100, for example.

But let's limit it to the last four rounds. For each game, we'll ignore everything but the last four rounds and see who has the highest winning margin over those rounds. Steven Briers has the record here, having won rounds 12-15 of this game 56-0.

However, he was already winning after R11, so that can't be called a "comeback" either. If we only include players who were behind after R11 but went on to win, Tracey does indeed have the record - nobody else has been behind going into the last four rounds and won those rounds with a margin greater than 43 (the next highest is 38 by David Williams in this game).

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:29 pm
by Graeme Cole
Callum Todd wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:28 pm
Hi Graeme,

Please forgive me for asking a question motivated primarily out of self-interest, but I remember being told after my heat games that I was the first person to pick 6 small on all 16 opportunities during an 8-game heats run. I was wondering if you could give us an up-to-date breakdown of the people to have most commonly picked 6 small, 3 large, or 4 large during their televised games. I exclude 1 large and 2 large as they are somewhat default picks and I am assuming the results of that inquiry would be uninteresting, but if you believe otherwise then by all means share them too.

To clarify, something along the lines of:
- People to have picked 6 small the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 6 small the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)
- People to have picked 3 large the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 3 large the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)
- People to have picked 4 large the most times during heat games
- People to have picked 4 large the most times overall (including any and all televised appearances)

Would be very interesting. Thanks.
I'm only counting new 15-rounders here. In the old 15 rounders, an octochamp would typically only make 9 numbers picks in their heat games anyway.

6 small:
Four people have picked 6 small 16 times in their heats: you, Jonathan Liew, Wesley Jardine and John Cowen.
Counting all games, you picked 6 small 22 times, which is the highest. John Cowen did it 20 times, and Jonathan Liew and Wesley Jardine 18.

3 large:
Heats only: Philip Aston picked it 11 times. Simon Whiteley picked it 10 times and Ann Dibben and George Armstrong picked it 8 times each. It should be noted that Simon Whiteley and George Armstrong only played 5 games each, so Simon picked exclusively 3 large.
All games: Philip Aston picked it 14 times, Ann Dibben 12 and Simon Whiteley 10.

4 large:
Heats only: Tim Down and Noel McIlvenny exclusively went for 4 large, picking it 16 times out of 16. Tom Cappleman picked it 15 times.
All games: George Ford and Noel McIlvenny both out in front, having picked it 20 times. Tom Cappleman is third again, on 18.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:49 pm
by Graeme Cole
Thomas Carey wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:44 pm
Lowest debut score for an octochamp? (57 happened recently which must be close to the 15 round record. I guess do whatever with previous runs).
I've counted the "debut" score as the score the octochamp got in the first episode of their octorun, and ignored any previous runs.

In my database, which goes up to the end of series 78, Dave Taylor holds this record with 61, so 57 beats it.
Thomas Carey wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:44 pm
Series champ?
(Again, I've ignored cases where someone makes a low score then returns years later to win a series - I'm only counting their debut score in the series-winning run.)

For 15-rounders of either kind, Callum Todd has the lowest debut score of any series winner, with 70.
Thomas Carey wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:44 pm
How many games (that we know of) have not had GO available as a valid 2?
411 15-rounders have not had GO available anywhere in them. I've not done 9-rounders because there are quite a few for which we don't know the selections.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:50 pm
by Graeme Cole
Graeme Cole wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:29 pm
new 15-rounders
We've had the current format for over 5 years now. When am I going to stop calling it the "new" 15-rounder?

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:02 pm
by Graeme Cole
Zarte Siempre wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:34 pm
Callum Todd wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:28 pm
Hi Graeme,

Ple......ting. Thanks.
In addition to this, would it be possible to demonstrate the reverse - who has picked most schizophrenically across their episodes?
14 players have picked all five possible numbers choices at some point or other. They are Wayne Kelly, Mark Murray, Michael Calder, John Davies, Gary Male, Mark Tournoff, John Hardie, Matthew Shore, Mikey Lear, Neil Zussman, Edward McCullagh, Matthew Tassier, Michael Pfeffer and Dougie Mackay.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:05 pm
by Graeme Cole
Jennifer Steadman wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:10 pm
How many selections in Countdown's history could you get the word GRAEME from?
126, with round 10 in this game being the most recent one up to the end of S78.
Jennifer Steadman wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:10 pm
Have there ever been any rounds with GRAEGRAE in the selection?
Sadly not.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:34 pm
by Thomas Cappleman
Graeme Cole wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:50 pm
Graeme Cole wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:29 pm
new 15-rounders
We've had the current format for over 5 years now. When am I going to stop calling it the "new" 15-rounder?
Given that this is the Ask Graeme? thread, I think it's on you to answer your own question. Preferably with suitable statistics.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:47 am
by Matty Artell
Graeme Cole wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:05 pm
Jennifer Steadman wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:10 pm
How many selections in Countdown's history could you get the word GRAEME from?
126, with round 10 in this game being the most recent one up to the end of S78.
How many of these have had 6 as the max? Can we call this a MAX GRAEME :D ;) :o 8-) 8-) 8-)

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:30 pm
by Conor
What’s the latest (correct) conundrum solve there’s ever been on the show? The latest I can recall is Mark Tournoff’s PARTRIDGE on 27 seconds in the S52 final, but surely there have been even later ones. I’d also sub-categorize this into solves where the opponent buzzed in already (and so someone may just decided to use all the time checking) and into solves where no-one has buzzed. Thanks.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 pm
by Thomas Cappleman
Found a couple recorded as 30s (http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_4419 and this wonderfully ironic entry http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_761)

Also a couple of 29.75s (http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5293 and http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5326) and a 29.9 after an incorrect 29s buzz (http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5050)

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:52 am
by Conor
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 pm
Found a couple recorded as 30s (http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_4419 and this wonderfully ironic entry http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_761)

Also a couple of 29.75s (http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5293 and http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5326) and a 29.9 after an incorrect 29s buzz (http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5050)
Nice finds, cheers -- remembering the controversy over THWARTING now...

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 12:37 pm
by Graeme Cole
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 pm
Found a couple recorded as 30s (http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_4419 and this wonderfully ironic entry http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_761)
Those two and these two are the only correct 30 second buzzes I have in the database.

http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_1349 - probably just after the time ran out, according to the note.
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_5769 - with bonus inconclusive waffling from the time about whether it's supposed to be possible to buzz after the 30th second has lit up on the clock.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:26 am
by Ben Richards
Where do the letter tiles go after each round is finished. Occasionally the editing department leaves in a few moments if her taking them off the board. Where do they go?

Also I know that Rachel uses a marker on the numbers board but where does the pen go afterwards?

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 11:16 am
by Gavin Chipper
Ben Richards wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 10:26 am
Where do the letter tiles go after each round is finished. Occasionally the editing department leaves in a few moments if her taking them off the board. Where do they go
Letters tiles are a bit like this.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:53 pm
by Matty Artell
Ben Richards wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 10:26 am
Where do the letter tiles go after each round is finished. Occasionally the editing department leaves in a few moments if her taking them off the board. Where do they go?

Also I know that Rachel uses a marker on the numbers board but where does the pen go afterwards?
She hands both the letter tiles and marker to a member of the production staff who are just off-stage. They keep the letters in separate piles in case they need to re-film a round at the end

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:58 pm
by Tom S
Hi Graeme,

Sorry if these Qs have been asked before, but I have 2 questions which I am intrigued about.

1. In light of today's players scoring 0 on the numbers rounds overall, is this a new record?
2. What is the longest string of centuries in preliminary games?- I would have thought that 9 in a row starting from Elliott Mellor's 1st game would be a contender.

Much obliged,
Tom.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:19 pm
by Thomas Cappleman
Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:58 pm
2. What is the longest string of centuries in preliminary games?- I would have thought that 9 in a row starting from Elliott Mellor's 1st game would be a contender.
Zarte's first run + Dylan's octorun + Gemma's first game (14 games total) is most likely I reckon. I've had a look at all the octochamps who got a century in all their games, as the easiest way to get a long run, and this is the best. Tom Carey + Matt le Tissier's first 2 gives a 10 game run as well.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:09 pm
by Tom S
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:19 pm
Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:58 pm
2. What is the longest string of centuries in preliminary games?- I would have thought that 9 in a row starting from Elliott Mellor's 1st game would be a contender.
Zarte's first run + Dylan's octorun + Gemma's first game (14 games total) is most likely I reckon. I've had a look at all the octochamps who got a century in all their games, as the easiest way to get a long run, and this is the best. Tom Carey + Matt le Tissier's first 2 gives a 10 game run as well.
Thanks for that Tom- 14 does sound like the best bet for the record.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:13 pm
by Graeme Cole
Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:58 pm
1. In light of today's players scoring 0 on the numbers rounds overall, is this a new record?
Today was the first 15 rounder with no points scored on numbers. This applies to both 15-round formats - previously the lowest total numbers score for an episode was 7 for the current format (four numbers rounds), and 5 for the old format (three numbers rounds).

In 9-round games which contained only two numbers rounds, there were at least 14 occasions when neither contestant scored on numbers.
Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:09 pm
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:19 pm
Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:58 pm
2. What is the longest string of centuries in preliminary games?- I would have thought that 9 in a row starting from Elliott Mellor's 1st game would be a contender.
Zarte's first run + Dylan's octorun + Gemma's first game (14 games total) is most likely I reckon. I've had a look at all the octochamps who got a century in all their games, as the easiest way to get a long run, and this is the best. Tom Carey + Matt le Tissier's first 2 gives a 10 game run as well.
Thanks for that Tom- 14 does sound like the best bet for the record.
This is correct. Even if you count other kinds of games alongside prelims, that run of 14 is still the (only) longest run of centuries.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:58 am
by Tom S
Graeme Cole wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:13 pm
Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:58 pm
1. In light of today's players scoring 0 on the numbers rounds overall, is this a new record?
Today was the first 15 rounder with no points scored on numbers. This applies to both 15-round formats - previously the lowest total numbers score for an episode was 7 for the current format (four numbers rounds), and 5 for the old format (three numbers rounds).

In 9-round games which contained only two numbers rounds, there were at least 14 occasions when neither contestant scored on numbers.
Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:09 pm
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:19 pm


Zarte's first run + Dylan's octorun + Gemma's first game (14 games total) is most likely I reckon. I've had a look at all the octochamps who got a century in all their games, as the easiest way to get a long run, and this is the best. Tom Carey + Matt le Tissier's first 2 gives a 10 game run as well.
Thanks for that Tom- 14 does sound like the best bet for the record.
This is correct. Even if you count other kinds of games alongside prelims, that run of 14 is still the (only) longest run of centuries.
Thanks for that. Interesting to hear....

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:28 pm
by Rhys Benjamin
Graeme Cole wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:56 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote:Edit - Something that the database probably could answer - what is the break down of probabilities of each length of word being the max, and for each length, what is the average number of words of the max length?
I can only do the first bit. For each letters round the database stores the most points available, but I didn't make it store what words were available.

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  MAX    FREQ
    3       2     0.0043%
    4      44     0.095%
    5     825     1.78%
    6    6720    14.54%
    7   20058    43.39%
    8   15977    34.57%
    9    2596     5.62%
Can we have an update on this please Graeme?

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:06 pm
by Graeme Cole
Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:28 pm
Graeme Cole wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:56 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote:Edit - Something that the database probably could answer - what is the break down of probabilities of each length of word being the max, and for each length, what is the average number of words of the max length?
I can only do the first bit. For each letters round the database stores the most points available, but I didn't make it store what words were available.

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  MAX    FREQ
    3       2     0.0043%
    4      44     0.095%
    5     825     1.78%
    6    6720    14.54%
    7   20058    43.39%
    8   15977    34.57%
    9    2596     5.62%
Can we have an update on this please Graeme?
This includes all known letters rounds up to the end of series 80 (61,739 of them). There is a caveat that letters maxes for old games (I think this means all pre-ODE2) come from the historical recaps, in which the maxes were judged by the closest available dictionary, which might not have been the dictionary actually in use for the episode.

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  MAX    FREQ
    3       2     0.0032%
    4      47     0.076%
    5    1016     1.65%
    6    8473    13.72%
    7   26356    42.69%
    8   22081    35.77%
    9    3764     6.10%

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:02 pm
by Tom S
Both of the losers of the S80 semifinals never declared a 9 during their time on the show. Is this the furthest any player has advanced without doing so, or do some runners-up (even winners?) fit the bill? (exc. CoC, Masters or special games).

Re: An apology

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:12 pm
by Jamie Smith
Hi Countdowners

My name is Ashton Hancock, and I signed up to this website in May 2019, and I want to issue an apology.

I come on this website and acted like an arse for no reason, I just did it as one of many immature things I have done in my life, can I just open up on something.

I am a 12 year old boy with autism and mental health issues and I wanted some attention, I think it is right to apologize at this stage for everything that I have done and I want it to be put behind us all, In late June Charlie banned me from C4Countdown and he did the right thing, but now may you delete all my posts and forget them and give me a fresh start now you know who I am better, I will be attending CoLin 2020 and I don’t want any mentions of my actions when I attend this event. I hope you all accept my apology please give your honest thoughts on this thread.

Ashton

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:45 pm
by Gavin Chipper
OK. But what's the idea with using random threads to post your posts in?* But anyway I'm looking forward to seeing you at COLIN if you do make it!

*Hopefully Graeme will know the answer to this.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:17 pm
by Graeme Cole
Tom S wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:02 pm
Both of the losers of the S80 semifinals never declared a 9 during their time on the show. Is this the furthest any player has advanced without doing so, or do some runners-up (even winners?) fit the bill? (exc. CoC, Masters or special games).
It's happened before many times. Joyce Cansfield, Darryl Francis, Andrew Guy, Brian Hudson, Peter Evans, Ian Bebbington, David Trace, Hilary Hopper, Tony Vick, Rajaretnam Yogasagarar, Michael Wareham, Barry Grossman, Wayne Summers, Don Reid, Andy Bodle, Darren Shacklady, Verity Joubert, Huw Morgan, Pete Cashmore, Tony Baylis, Ray McPhie, Stuart Wood, Ben Wilson and Nick Wainwright all won their series without having offered a valid nine.

Of those 24 series winners, 18 of them also never offered a valid nine in any subsequent appearance either. They are Joyce Cansfield, Andrew Guy, Brian Hudson, Peter Evans, Ian Bebbington, Hilary Hopper, Rajaretnam Yogasagarar, Michael Wareham, Barry Grossman, Wayne Summers, Don Reid, Andy Bodle, Darren Shacklady, Verity Joubert, Huw Morgan, Tony Baylis, Ray McPhie and Stuart Wood.

Note that for some of the very early series we don't have complete records of all the rounds, so there may be one or two false positives towards the beginning of the above lists.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:18 pm
by Graeme Cole
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:45 pm
OK. But what's the idea with using random threads to post your posts in?
Authentication. If he didn't then we might not believe it was really him.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:48 am
by Jamie Smith
I want a fresh start now, I don’t want this account blocking I won’t make any posts until people reply to my apology. I will be patient.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:44 am
by Tom S
Graeme Cole wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:17 pm
Tom S wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:02 pm
Both of the losers of the S80 semifinals never declared a 9 during their time on the show. Is this the furthest any player has advanced without doing so, or do some runners-up (even winners?) fit the bill? (exc. CoC, Masters or special games).
It's happened before many times. Joyce Cansfield, Darryl Francis, Andrew Guy, Brian Hudson, Peter Evans, Ian Bebbington, David Trace, Hilary Hopper, Tony Vick, Rajaretnam Yogasagarar, Michael Wareham, Barry Grossman, Wayne Summers, Don Reid, Andy Bodle, Darren Shacklady, Verity Joubert, Huw Morgan, Pete Cashmore, Tony Baylis, Ray McPhie, Stuart Wood, Ben Wilson and Nick Wainwright all won their series without having offered a valid nine.

Of those 24 series winners, 18 of them also never offered a valid nine in any subsequent appearance either. They are Joyce Cansfield, Andrew Guy, Brian Hudson, Peter Evans, Ian Bebbington, Hilary Hopper, Rajaretnam Yogasagarar, Michael Wareham, Barry Grossman, Wayne Summers, Don Reid, Andy Bodle, Darren Shacklady, Verity Joubert, Huw Morgan, Tony Baylis, Ray McPhie and Stuart Wood.

Note that for some of the very early series we don't have complete records of all the rounds, so there may be one or two false positives towards the beginning of the above lists.
Interesting. Thanks for that.

Re: Ask Graeme?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:05 am
by Ben Wilson
Graeme Cole wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:17 pm
Tom S wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:02 pm
Both of the losers of the S80 semifinals never declared a 9 during their time on the show. Is this the furthest any player has advanced without doing so, or do some runners-up (even winners?) fit the bill? (exc. CoC, Masters or special games).
It's happened before many times. Joyce Cansfield, Darryl Francis, Andrew Guy, Brian Hudson, Peter Evans, Ian Bebbington, David Trace, Hilary Hopper, Tony Vick, Rajaretnam Yogasagarar, Michael Wareham, Barry Grossman, Wayne Summers, Don Reid, Andy Bodle, Darren Shacklady, Verity Joubert, Huw Morgan, Pete Cashmore, Tony Baylis, Ray McPhie, Stuart Wood, Ben Wilson and Nick Wainwright all won their series without having offered a valid nine.

Of those 24 series winners, 18 of them also never offered a valid nine in any subsequent appearance either. They are Joyce Cansfield, Andrew Guy, Brian Hudson, Peter Evans, Ian Bebbington, Hilary Hopper, Rajaretnam Yogasagarar, Michael Wareham, Barry Grossman, Wayne Summers, Don Reid, Andy Bodle, Darren Shacklady, Verity Joubert, Huw Morgan, Tony Baylis, Ray McPhie and Stuart Wood.

Note that for some of the very early series we don't have complete records of all the rounds, so there may be one or two false positives towards the beginning of the above lists.
On a similar note, what's the largest number of letters games anyone played before getting their first nine or without getting a nine at all? Got to believe Don Reid is high on the second list, being a grand slam winner and all.

Re: An Apology

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:52 pm
by Jamie Smith
I want to start again now Ben don’t block me if you don’t want me private message me but I am sure you want me.