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Post by JackHurst » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:42 pm

1)Most maxes/ most points scored by a non series finalist?
2)Least maxes/ least points score by a series finalist. (Not including finals games)?
3) did the answer to 1) do better than any series champs did in their heats?

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:40 pm

JackHurst wrote:1)Most maxes/ most points scored by a non series finalist?
2)Least maxes/ least points score by a series finalist. (Not including finals games)?
3) did the answer to 1) do better than any series champs did in their heats?
Not an exact answer to your question 3, but David Franks failed to make the quarter finals of series 47 but would have been the number 1 seed for series 46 based on his first six games. But there must be lots of people who did better in their heats than series champions but failed to make the knockout stages themselves.

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Post by Ciaran McCarthy » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:02 pm

Gus Aaron who played against Kevin Steeds, Nick mentioned Gus was on show for 10 years ago.

I just wondering does Gus became first person in history who fail to win the game for his debut twice? Because he lost again in 10 years ago and he lost again yesterday.

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Post by Johnny Canuck » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:28 am

Have multiple copies of a rare/unique letter ever come up in the same round? I vaguely recall a recap from Series 5/6/7 (don't remember which) featuring a round that had two Xs in it.
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Post by George Pryn » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:18 pm

Who is the octochamp that declared the fewest Es (excluding conundrums)

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Post by James Laverty » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:56 pm

***INCLUDES SPOILERS***

Are today's and Friday 20th's shows the first to have back-to-back tiebreak conundrums?
Definitely not Jamie McNeill or Schrodinger's Cat....

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Post by James Robinson » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:10 pm

James Laverty wrote:***INCLUDES SPOILERS***

Are today's and Friday 20th's shows the first to have back-to-back tiebreak conundrums?
No, it happened in the 30th Birthday Championships with Chris Davies v David O'Donnell, followed by Innis Carson v Kirk Bevins.

Also happened near the end of Series 63 too. ;) :) :D :mrgreen: 8-)
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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:14 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:Thanks Graeme. Nice work as always. Also, sorry to be a pain, but would it be possible to do that including just winning games as well, so not including their final, losing game?
15 rounds:
1 win: Andrew Greenway (47)
2 wins: Rob Jennings (110)
3 wins: Ken Jenkins (202)
4 wins: Ben Nicholson (285)
5 wins: Brian Roles (371)
6 wins: Nicki Sellars (483)
7 wins: Peter Zyss (548)

9 rounds:
1 win: Alan Woollard and Kevin Fry (27)
2 wins: Sheila Alder (71)
3 wins: Adam Gilinsky (112)
4 wins: Phillip Alder (167)
5 wins: Alan Johnson and Maureen Harmer (216)
6 wins: Phil Bennett (280)
7 wins: Joan Orchard (298)

Maxes in 15 rounds:
1 win: June Madell, Rose Benson, David Preedy, Bev Jones and Jeremy Miles (1)
2 wins: Dave Walters (3)
3 wins: Ken Jenkins and Adam Flinn (9)
4 wins: Margaret Lawless (13)
5 wins: Brian Roles and Neil MacKenzie (23)
6 wins: Graham Hill (30)
7 wins: David Stanford (31)

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:16 pm

Adam Gillard wrote:Don't know if there's enough data on this, but...

What's the highest number of maxes achieved by DC in a 9-round / 15-round game, and how many times have they achieved it?
There isn't really enough data on this, as DC might not offer a darrenic max they spotted if a contestant declared it, and the database I use doesn't have DC offerings in it.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:17 pm

Excellent work. Thank you.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:44 pm

JackHurst wrote:1)Most maxes/ most points scored by a non series finalist?
2)Least maxes/ least points score by a series finalist. (Not including finals games)?
3) did the answer to 1) do better than any series champs did in their heats?
1. Zarte Siempre (61 maxes) and David Franks (744, as Gevin pointed out)
2. Mark Murray scored 0 maxes in his first run then became series champion 15 years later, but I doubt this is what you meant. Peter Fenton qualified for the series 68 finals after scoring a total of 16 maxes in three heats.
3. In only six games, Zarte scored 61 maxes, which was greater than the 60 maxes achieved by Richard Brittain and the 53 achieved by Nick Wainwright in their octoruns. David Franks' 744 points beats Nick Wainwright's 726.

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Post by Paul Erdunast » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:51 pm

I don't know if this is the right topic given it's not about countdown history but about words, but:

Do you have the ability to answer what the flattest possible rounds with maxes of: 8, 7, 6, 5, and 4 - where flat is defined as most alternate words as the max? Would be v interesting!

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:59 pm

Ciaran McCarthy wrote:Gus Aaron who played against Kevin Steeds, Nick mentioned Gus was on show for 10 years ago.

I just wondering does Gus became first person in history who fail to win the game for his debut twice? Because he lost again in 10 years ago and he lost again yesterday.
No, plenty of players have lost their first game in more than one run. I make it 31 players up to the end of series 71. Names, episode numbers and dates are listed here in order of second appearance:

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                           FIRST APPEARANCE   SECOND APPEARANCE
Margaret Reid              46     1983-05-06  313    1985-11-15
Barbara Wylde              1284   1992-07-28  1369   1993-03-02
Martin Howell              1436   1993-09-02  1547   1994-08-05
Paul Henderson             1466   1994-01-13  1573   1994-09-12
Alex Davis                 2222   1998-03-20  2341   1998-09-03
James Squires              1281   1992-07-23  2531   1999-05-27
John Britton               3551   2003-09-23  3692   2004-04-28
Ola Odutola                2603   1999-09-20  3901   2005-04-06
Margaret Read              2284   1998-06-16  4398   2007-07-16   (not to be confused with Margaret Reid above)
Terry Rattle               3171   2002-01-21  4428   2007-08-31
Garry Preston              883    1989-07-31  4712   2008-11-14
Karyn Cooke                4515   2008-01-10  4800   2009-04-21
Mike Moran                 2319   1998-08-04  4852   2009-07-02
Chris Bergman              1034   1990-08-14  4854   2009-07-06
Ross Mackenzie             2381   1998-10-29  4877   2009-09-03
Phill Thorne               4973   2010-02-05  5124   2010-10-04
Andrew Mossford            5091   2010-08-11  5201   2011-02-09
James Hall                 5224   2011-03-21  5283   2011-06-10
Ian Williams               3102   2001-10-16  5597   2012-11-27
Brenda Widger              458    1986-10-30  5741   2013-07-26
Raymond Tate               1959   1997-03-11  5763   2013-09-05
John Blaker                2631   1999-10-28  5781   2013-10-01
Eric Emslie                1203   1992-01-06  5787   2013-10-09
Glyn Linder                951    1990-01-18  5913   2014-04-28
Harold Blythe              2236   1998-04-09  5926   2014-05-23
Simon Gillam               1232   1992-02-14  5927   2014-05-26
Brian Boonham              2233   1998-04-06  5931   2014-05-30
David Morgans              3809   2004-11-04  5994   2014-09-18
Samantha Cooper            3626   2004-01-20  6011   2014-10-14
Ita Moynihan               2958   2001-02-28  6019   2014-10-27
Josephine Keane            2917   2001-01-02  6032   2014-11-13

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:10 am

Johnny Canuck wrote:Have multiple copies of a rare/unique letter ever come up in the same round? I vaguely recall a recap from Series 5/6/7 (don't remember which) featuring a round that had two Xs in it.
Nowadays there are only one each of the "difficult" letters in the pack, so double occurrences of these letters in the same game are unheard of, let alone two in the same round. So initially I was sceptical that this would ever have happened. However, there it is, two Xs in round 5 of this game from 1984.

Two Qs have never appeared in the same round. Two Js appeared in round 2 of this game. Rounds with two Zs have happened twice: round 1 of this game and round 2 of this game.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:19 am

George Pryn wrote:Who is the octochamp that declared the fewest Es (excluding conundrums)
Counting only 15 round games, Jonathan Liew with 66.

You're joint eighth with 72.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:14 pm

Assuming this hasn't already been asked, who was the "best" number one seed, number two etc. with "best" meaning most wins followed by highest total score. Also can this extend beyond the top eight, so we can see people who missed out. Like "Wow, this guy was only the 12th seed in this series but would have been number 2 in that one!" Maybe down to 16? Also, worst seeds.

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Post by Jordan F » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:25 am

Because something of a similar nature was mentioned in a spoiler thread, in the 15 round era, how many people have been ahead by 10 or more, picked 1 or 2 large in the final numbers game, and lost? Or is it just something that happens all the time?

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Post by Zarte Siempre » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:28 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:Nowadays there are only one each of the "difficult" letters in the pack, so double occurrences of these letters in the same game are unheard of, let alone two in the same round. So initially I was sceptical that this would ever have happened. However, there it is, two Xs in round 5 of this game from 1984.
Anyone else noticed the issue with some of Carol's maths in that game...?
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:53 pm

Zarte Siempre wrote:
Graeme Cole wrote:Nowadays there are only one each of the "difficult" letters in the pack, so double occurrences of these letters in the same game are unheard of, let alone two in the same round. So initially I was sceptical that this would ever have happened. However, there it is, two Xs in round 5 of this game from 1984.
Anyone else noticed the issue with some of Carol's maths in that game...?
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Post by Rhys Benjamin » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:01 pm

How many wins and points do you need in the 15 round era to qualify for the finals?

(Yes, I could probably work this out for myself, but I'm a lazy bastard.)
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Post by Johnny Canuck » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:45 am

I recently discovered via CDB that Helen Grayson, from Series 6, achieved 437/484 = 90.3% of the points available to her in her heat games, which I found astounding. (For comparison, Harvey Freeman only had 84.8%.) Is this the highest percentage achieved by anyone, over the course of their entire heat run, in the 9-round era?

Helen Grayson really should join Apterous.
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Post by Fred Mumford » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:07 pm

Johnny Canuck wrote:Helen Grayson really should join Apterous.
Her death was reported on this forum quite recently.

I personally consider her and Harvey Freeman to be the 2 best players of the 9 round era.

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Post by Johnny Canuck » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:24 pm

Fred Mumford wrote:
Johnny Canuck wrote:Helen Grayson really should join Apterous.
Her death was reported on this forum quite recently.

I personally consider her and Harvey Freeman to be the 2 best players of the 9 round era.
Oh, so sorry -- I forgot entirely! I definitely agree that she was a record-setter.
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Post by Edward Byrne » Tue May 12, 2015 12:19 pm

In what games both 9 round and 15 round did a contestant get 0 maxes

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Post by John Vivian » Wed May 27, 2015 10:44 am

Hi Graeme. I was wondering if you'd be able to find out which contestants on the show would have earned the most pencils? (i.e. words which are a max in letters rounds which had never been declared before on the show)
I realise it wouldn't be meaningful to look at this for the early years of the show as the majority of letter maxes would have been pencils... but would you be able to find it out from say, the start of the 15 round era? Or maybe the new 15 round era if there were still loads of pencils being earned by 2001?

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Post by Matty Artell » Sat May 30, 2015 2:09 pm

Sorry if this has been asked before, I had a look through and couldn't find it - what is the percentage of numbers game solved for each numbers pick amongst all contestants?

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Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:54 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:Assuming this hasn't already been asked, who was the "best" number one seed, number two etc. with "best" meaning most wins followed by highest total score. Also can this extend beyond the top eight, so we can see people who missed out. Like "Wow, this guy was only the 12th seed in this series but would have been number 2 in that one!" Maybe down to 16? Also, worst seeds.
I'm going to skip this one for now, but at some point I'll make something to work out everyone's wins and points totals and put them online somewhere.
Jordan F wrote:Because something of a similar nature was mentioned in a spoiler thread, in the 15 round era, how many people have been ahead by 10 or more, picked 1 or 2 large in the final numbers game, and lost? Or is it just something that happens all the time?
28 up to the end of series 71, of which 21 were 1 large. If you change the question to say "ahead by more than 10", which I think was what was being discussed in the other thread, it's 22, of which 6 were 2 large.
Rhys Benjamin wrote:How many wins and points do you need in the 15 round era to qualify for the finals?
Depends how everyone else does. In series 68 the #8 seed had only two wins, but this was a shorter series than normal. In series 47, all eight quarter-finalists were octochamps. The database doesn't actually store seed positions (that's why Gevin's question is hard), they're only stored on the wiki. Looking at the last ten series or so, if you get, say, 6 wins, then you're reasonably likely to qualify, although it's not unusual for the bar to be higher.
Edward Byrne wrote:In what games both 9 round and 15 round did a contestant get 0 maxes
Too many to list, but it happened 203 times in the 9 round era (take this with a pinch of salt, the maxes are calculated with the wrong dictionary) and 22 times in 15-round games.
John Vivian wrote:Hi Graeme. I was wondering if you'd be able to find out which contestants on the show would have earned the most pencils? (i.e. words which are a max in letters rounds which had never been declared before on the show)
I realise it wouldn't be meaningful to look at this for the early years of the show as the majority of letter maxes would have been pencils... but would you be able to find it out from say, the start of the 15 round era? Or maybe the new 15 round era if there were still loads of pencils being earned by 2001?
Something vaguely related to this has been discussed before, but not in this thread. Jon O'Neill did a bit of analysis on this too. A pencil on apterous is a word offered as a max that has not previously been offered as a max, and that's the definition I'm using. Kirk Bevins and Conor Travers share the record for the most pencils, having 73 each. Julian Fell is next with 67, then Harvey Freeman, Chris Davies and Jonathan Rawlinson on 57. Allan Saldanha got 55, Mark Tournoff and Jack Hurst 54, and David O'Donnell got 51. Dodgy maxes disclaimer applies for matches before about 2006.
Matty Artell wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before, I had a look through and couldn't find it - what is the percentage of numbers game solved for each numbers pick amongst all contestants?
In all these figures, I've taken this to mean "of all instances of a contestant attempting a numbers game, what percentage of those attempts resulted in the contestant solving it", for various definitions of "solving". This means if both contestants solve the same numbers game, that counts twice. The figure on the right hand side of each ratio below is twice the number of numbers rounds.

You'd think this mean the number on the right would always be even, but that isn't so - I've excluded declarations that are not known. Occasionally we know what one contestant declared but not the other, e.g. round 8 in this game.

If you meant "of all the numbers games, what percentage were solved by at least one of the contestants", this isn't what I've done.

Got the target exactly:
6 small: 890/2650 (33.6%)
1 large: 11859/22055 (53.8%)
2 large: 2138/4637 (46.1%)
3 large: 390/958 (40.7%)
4 large: 507/1361 (37.3%)

Got the target exactly when this was possible:
6 small: 890/2242 (39.7%)
1 large: 11858/21534 (55.1%)
2 large: 2138/4555 (46.9%)
3 large: 390/906 (43.0%)
4 large: 506/1226 (41.3%)

Despite what the above numbers appear to show, it's not the case that two impossible numbers games were once solved. What's happened here is that one of the scripts I used to populate the database with the "best possible" solution didn't cope very well with rounds where one contestant's declaration is not known.

Got as close as possible to the target:
6 small: 960/2650 (36.2%)
1 large: 11964/22055 (54.2%)
2 large: 2158/4637 (46.5%)
3 large: 408/958 (42.6%)
4 large: 558/1361 (41.0%)

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Post by Matty Artell » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:15 am

Thanks Graeme :D

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Post by Ben Wilson » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:42 am

Awesome Graeme,

How many games have there been where both contestants got at least 10 maxes?* On a related note, which contestant has faced the most opponents to have achieved 10+ maxes? Just for fun, let's say including AMND excluding the 30BC.

*Obviously I'm only asking about 15 rounders.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:49 pm

Ben Wilson wrote:Awesome Graeme,

How many games have there been where both contestants got at least 10 maxes?* On a related note, which contestant has faced the most opponents to have achieved 10+ maxes? Just for fun, let's say including AMND excluding the 30BC.

*Obviously I'm only asking about 15 rounders.
As of the end of series 71, 56 games have seen both contestants score 10 or more maxes, of which 18 were in the 30BC.

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SERIES    EP TYPE EP ID  DATE          C1                  SCORE MAXES MAXES  SCORE    C2
S47       QF      3273   2002-06-20    Chris Wills           110    11    10     86    Brenda Jolley 
S47       QF      3274   2002-06-21    Mike Pullin            89    10    11    106    Tom Hargreaves
S47       SF      3278   2002-06-27    Kevin Thurlow          93    10    12    109    Tom Hargreaves
CoC XI    CP      3391   2003-01-07    Chris Wills           113    12    11    111    David Williams
CoC XI    CQF     3401   2003-01-21    Graham Nash           120    12    11    109    Julian Fell 
Special   S       S7     2003-09-03    Brett Smitheram        87    11    13    101    Harshan Lamabadusuriya
S52       P       3809   2004-11-04    Steven Moir            91    10    10     87    David Morgans
S52       GF      3840   2004-12-17    Mark Tournoff          92    10    10     89    Paul Gallen
S53       P       3945   2005-06-13    Richard Heald          96    12    10     84    Paul Lyne
S54       SF      4110   2006-05-24    Conor Travers         124    13    12    100    Paul Howe
CoC XII   CP      4119   2006-06-06    Paul Gallen           125    13    10     80    Eamonn Timmins
CoC XII   CP      4120   2006-06-07    Matthew Shore         109    11    11    101    Chris Cummins
CoC XII   CQF     4121   2006-06-08    Matthew Shore         117    11    13    124    Mark Tournoff
CoC XII   CQF     4122   2006-06-09    Paul Gallen           118    13    12     96    John Davies
CoC XII   CSF     4125   2006-06-14    Paul Howe              88    10    11     99    Mark Tournoff
CoC XII   CSF     4126   2006-06-15    Paul Gallen           118    13    11    102    Conor Travers
CoC XII   CGF     4127   2006-06-16    Paul Gallen           111    14    12     93    Mark Tournoff
S55       P       4235   2006-11-15    Phil Matthams          96    11    10     86    Christine Smith
S57       GF      4508   2007-12-21    Craig Beevers         105    13    10     82    Jeffrey Hansford
S58       P       4560   2008-03-19    Andrew Swale           96    10    10    106    Tony Durrant
S58       SF      4625   2008-06-18    David O'Donnell        95    10    10     82    Jonathan Coles
CoC XIII  CQF     4741   2009-01-22    Steve Briers          118    12    12    110    David O'Donnell
S60       QF      4837   2009-06-11    Kirk Bevins           115    13    11     90    Julie Russell 
S61       SF      4952   2009-12-17    Chris Davies          102    12    12     97    Innis Carson  
S62       P       5034   2010-05-10    Lee Graham             86    11    11     90    Gwen Robinson 
S63       QF      5175   2010-12-14    Scott Gillies          90    11    10     92    Marcus Hares  
S63       GF      5178   2010-12-17    Jack Hurst            113    14    11     85    Eoin Monaghan 
S65       P       5293   2011-06-24    Matt Croy              90    12    12     91    Andrew Halliburton   
S67       SF      5612   2012-12-19    Rose Boyle             91    11    12     95    Paul James    
30BC      30BP    5617   2013-01-09    Mark Deeks            103    11    12    108    Jack Hurst
30BC      30BP    5618   2013-01-10    Ben Wilson             91    11    12    117    Conor Travers
30BC      30BP    5619   2013-01-11    Mark Tournoff         101    11    11    100    Nick Deller
30BC      30BP    5623   2013-01-17    Ed McCullagh           94    12    12    104    Jonathan Rawlinson
30BC      30B1    5629   2013-01-25    Innis Carson          116    13    11     91    Adam Gillard
30BC      30B1    5633   2013-01-31    Graeme Cole            98    13    13    104    Jack Worsley
30BC      30B1    5634   2013-02-01    John Ashmore           92    10    15    130    Kirk Bevins
30BC      30B1    5635   2013-02-04    David O'Donnell       111    13    11     86    Tom Hargreaves
30BC      30B1    5639   2013-02-08    Andrew Hulme           91    11    11     98    Jonathan Rawlinson
30BC      30B2    5641   2013-02-12    Jon O'Neill           122    13    10     91    Darryl Francis
30BC      30B2    5642   2013-02-13    Chris Hawkins          85    11    15    119    Conor Travers
30BC      30B2    5644   2013-02-15    Chris Davies          117    10    10    127    David O'Donnell
30BC      30B2    5645   2013-02-18    Innis Carson          102    13    13    112    Kirk Bevins
30BC      30BQF   5649   2013-02-22    Jon O'Neill           122    15    13    104    Jack Worsley
30BC      30BQF   5650   2013-02-25    Conor Travers         119    15    12     94    Kirk Bevins
30BC      30BSF   5652   2013-02-27    Jonathan Rawlinson    105    11    12    116    Jack Hurst
30BC      30BSF   5653   2013-02-28    Jon O'Neill           102    13    15    120    Conor Travers
30BC      30BGF   5654   2013-03-01    Jack Hurst            111    11    14    146    Conor Travers
S68       P       5686   2013-04-24    Jill Hayward           98    10    10    102    Eileen Taylor 
S68       GF      5721   2013-06-28    Giles Hutchings        95    11    10     86    Andy Platt    
S69       P       5794   2013-10-18    Mark Hartnett         101    10    11    111    Bradley Cates 
S69       QF      5833   2013-12-12    Dylan Taylor          108    14    10     76    Gemma Church  
S69       QF      5834   2013-12-13    Jen Steadman          105    12    12    108    Callum Todd   
S69       SF      5837   2013-12-18    Dylan Taylor          121    12    10    103    Bradley Cates 
S69       GF      5839   2013-12-20    Dylan Taylor          116    13    14    126    Callum Todd   
S70       P       5907   2014-04-17    Mark Murray           112    13    11     95    Peter Steggle 
S71       P       5962   2014-07-23    Jason Turner           82    10    12    100    Tricia Pay 
The second bit: you've "faced an opponent to have achieved 10+ maxes" if you played any televised format against an opponent who had previously achieved 10 or more maxes in a 15 rounder, or who achieved 10 or more maxes in that game and it was a 15 rounder, or who would later go on to achieve 10 or more maxes in a 15 rounder, as of the end of series 71.

Conor Travers leads the pack with 11 (Paul Howe, Matthew Shore, John Brackstone, Paul Gallen, Chris Wills, Ben Wilson, Mark Tournoff, Chris Hawkins, Kirk Bevins, Jon O'Neill, Jack Hurst). Chris Wills and Mark Tournoff played 9 members of the 10-max club. Kirk Bevins and Jack Hurst played 8, David O'Donnell 7, and Tom Hargreaves, Paul Gallen, Charlie Reams, Chris Davies and Jonathan Rawlinson played 6.

If you remove the 30BC from this (that is, disregard it for the purpose of deciding whether you played someone as well as for deciding whether your opponent ever got a 10-maxer or more, effectively pretending it never happened): Chris Wills and Mark Tournoff played 7, Paul Gallen and Charlie Reams played 6, and Junaid Mubeen, Tom Hargreaves, Eamonn Timmins, Kirk Bevins, Conor Travers, Paul Howe and Matthew Shore played 5.

(Edit: another condition on these is that if you played the same opponent twice and that opponent ever got 10+ maxes in a 15 rounder, that counts twice.)

(For a while I wondered which tournament the AMND was, until I realised it meant "AND".)

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What is the earliest recorded instance of a player correctly solving a conundrum with a time under 1 second? Did this ever happen in the 9-round era?
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Johnny Canuck wrote:What is the earliest recorded instance of a player correctly solving a conundrum with a time under 1 second? Did this ever happen in the 9-round era?
This has happened 81 times, of which 12 were in the 26 years pre-apterous, and 69 were in the 7 years post-apterous.

The earliest recorded case of a conundrum being solved in under 1.0 seconds (so 1.0 seconds exactly doesn't count) is in this Masters game, where future series producer Mark Nyman solved PERCOLATE in (apparently) 0 seconds.

A sub-second conundrum solve also happened in this Masters game, but the match was never broadcast (although that doesn't seem to have stopped us getting a recap of it somehow).

The next sub-second solve was in a CoC quarter-final by future series producer Damian Eadie.

So apparently the rule is that if you solve a conundrum in under a second, you get to be producer of the show. The queue is pretty long, though. Next up after Damian will be Emma Brown.

Other notable Countdowners who can expect to run the show some day are Innis Carson (6 times), Eoin Monaghan, Jack Hurst and Kirk Bevins (5 times), and Conor Travers and Giles Hutchings (4 times). Mark Deeks, among many others, did it twice, but of course since he's going to be the next presenter after Nick we can't expect him to be the producer as well.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:56 pm

I'm surprised you put that much effort into such unreliable statistics!

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Post by Graeme Cole » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:12 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:I'm surprised you put that much effort into such unreliable statistics!
Yes, I should have mentioned that this is all subject to a margin of error. Buzz times of just under one second might easily have been recorded as 1.0 seconds, for example.

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Post by Johnny Canuck » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:57 am

Brilliant as always, Graeme, and quick as well. Thanks very much. I actually don't think tracking sub-second conundrum solves is all that unreliable, given that a segment of the clock will light up only after exactly 1.0s has passed and otherwise the clock will be dark.

Whenever you'd like another question (please, take some time to rest if you need it)...

I was going through Mike Brown's notes for Series 53 and saw that the octochamp Ross Allatt declared DELATIONS twice during his octorun. Has any other contestant ever declared a given nine-letter word multiple times? If the answer is no, how about any given word?
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Post by Jack Worsley » Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:02 am

Johnny Canuck wrote:I actually don't think tracking sub-second conundrum solves is all that unreliable, given that a segment of the clock will light up only after exactly 1.0s has passed
The problem with measuring conundrum solve times accurately is that there's never been any consistent method for when to start the clock. For example, during Jeff's tenure as host, the conundrum board would normally be fully turned over before the clock even started. If you look at people like Innis and Jack Hurst on the wiki, they solved a few conundrums in about "0.1" or "0.2" seconds but in reality, it would be impossible for any human to solve that quickly. Nowadays, the clock tends to start much earlier. I also don't think the system has ever been automated, so there's always going to be inconsistency.

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Post by Johnny Canuck » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:43 pm

I know that no letters selection has ever consisted of a valid 9-letter word that is already spelt out in the correct order. However, have any letters selections ever consisted of a concatenation of multiple valid words spelt out in the correct order (e.g., CATDOGCOW or ABADRADIO)?

EDIT: I suspect that, given the density of 2- and 3-letter words in the dictionary, there may end up being zillions of these, such as ITQIAMOTA = IT-QI-A-MOT-A. If this proves to be the case, I'll save you the trouble and refine the question by asking: have any selections ever consisted of a concatenation of exactly two valid words?
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:13 pm

I only found out that Graeme had this database thing from this thread, so my question is: how did Ryan Taylor know to start this thread in the first place?

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Post by Graeme Cole » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:53 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:I only found out that Graeme had this database thing from this thread, so my question is: how did Ryan Taylor know to start this thread in the first place?
There was this post, which led onto this, which at the time I thought would cover pretty much everything everyone wanted to know about Countdown stats. (I also thought "I'm reasonably confident this is all correct, but I bet Robbo still manages to find a mistake". He did within 24 minutes.)

Then just in case there were any more queries, Ryan started this thread, which passed 1000 replies a few months ago.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:51 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:I only found out that Graeme had this database thing from this thread, so my question is: how did Ryan Taylor know to start this thread in the first place?
There was this post, which led onto this, which at the time I thought would cover pretty much everything everyone wanted to know about Countdown stats. (I also thought "I'm reasonably confident this is all correct, but I bet Robbo still manages to find a mistake". He did within 24 minutes.)

Then just in case there were any more queries, Ryan started this thread, which passed 1000 replies a few months ago.
Excellent, thanks. I was aware of those threads but obviously didn't make the connection.

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Has any game ever had a 0-0 score after two rounds?
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Post by Matty Artell » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:11 pm

I don't know if your db has the data to answer this, but which number of vowels gives the most flat rounds?

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Johnny Canuck wrote:I know that no letters selection has ever consisted of a valid 9-letter word that is already spelt out in the correct order. However, have any letters selections ever consisted of a concatenation of multiple valid words spelt out in the correct order (e.g., CATDOGCOW or ABADRADIO)?

EDIT: I suspect that, given the density of 2- and 3-letter words in the dictionary, there may end up being zillions of these, such as ITQIAMOTA = IT-QI-A-MOT-A. If this proves to be the case, I'll save you the trouble and refine the question by asking: have any selections ever consisted of a concatenation of exactly two valid words?
Quite a few selections were a concatenation of exactly two valid words - 40, according to my (outdated) word list, sometimes with rather obscure fours and fives and sometimes with words people have heard of.

Highlights include LOUNGE DAM (or LOUNGED AM), SNORE IDOL, RIM SEALER, RICK OLIVE and FETID SAPS.
Johnny Canuck wrote:Has any game ever had a 0-0 score after two rounds?
No.

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Graeme Cole wrote:
Johnny Canuck wrote:I know that no letters selection has ever consisted of a valid 9-letter word that is already spelt out in the correct order. However, have any letters selections ever consisted of a concatenation of multiple valid words spelt out in the correct order (e.g., CATDOGCOW or ABADRADIO)?

EDIT: I suspect that, given the density of 2- and 3-letter words in the dictionary, there may end up being zillions of these, such as ITQIAMOTA = IT-QI-A-MOT-A. If this proves to be the case, I'll save you the trouble and refine the question by asking: have any selections ever consisted of a concatenation of exactly two valid words?
Quite a few selections were a concatenation of exactly two valid words - 40, according to my (outdated) word list, sometimes with rather obscure fours and fives and sometimes with words people have heard of.

Highlights include LOUNGE DAM (or LOUNGED AM), SNORE IDOL, RIM SEALER, RICK OLIVE and FETID SAPS.
Johnny Canuck wrote:Has any game ever had a 0-0 score after two rounds?
No.
Brilliant stuff as always, Graeme. Thank you. You're not like some of the fetid saps I know who just ignore my questions.
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Post by Johnny Canuck » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:29 pm

Within each format, what are the lowest scores achieved by someone who scored in every round?
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Graeme Cole wrote:
Johnny Canuck wrote:
Johnny Canuck wrote:Has any game ever had a 0-0 score after two rounds?
No.
I'm a bit surprised about this. How many games have been scoreless after one round, and of all letters rounds ever played, in what percentage of them has neither contestant scored?

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Post by Jennifer Steadman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:08 pm

From Series 67 - 73 (not including 30th Birthday) and excluding those with fewer than 4 wins, who are the 16 players with:

- the highest average score per game
- the highest average maxes score per game
- the highest letters score/max percentage
- the highest numbers score/max percentage
- and the highest conundrum solve percentage?

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Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:03 pm

Johnny Canuck wrote:I was going through Mike Brown's notes for Series 53 and saw that the octochamp Ross Allatt declared DELATIONS twice during his octorun. Has any other contestant ever declared a given nine-letter word multiple times? If the answer is no, how about any given word?
A contestant offering the same word twice is very common. For example, in my games I offered LIVELY, GIAOURS and URBANISE twice each, and literally hundreds of other contestants have offered a word they'd offered before.

However, only two contestants have repeated the same nine letter word. You've mentioned Ross Allatt, and the other was Jack Hurst, who offered CATENOIDS twice in the 30th Birthday Championship.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:06 pm

Matty Artell wrote:I don't know if your db has the data to answer this, but which number of vowels gives the most flat rounds?
The db doesn't store every word that was available in every round. Intuitively I'd say four vowels as that tends to give the longest words, but I could be wrong.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:19 pm

Johnny Canuck wrote:Within each format, what are the lowest scores achieved by someone who scored in every round?
All of them are reasonably high scores...

9 rounder: Mark Jeary with 55.
Old 15 rounder: Brian Selway and David Stainer with 102.
New 15 rounder: Eileen Taylor, Ann Robinson and Neil Green with 111.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:34 pm

Jack Worsley wrote:
Graeme Cole wrote:
Johnny Canuck wrote:Has any game ever had a 0-0 score after two rounds?
No.
I'm a bit surprised about this. How many games have been scoreless after one round, and of all letters rounds ever played, in what percentage of them has neither contestant scored?
Only 53 games have been scoreless after the first round.

Of the 51,941 letters rounds where both scores are known, 584 were scoreless. So as a percentage that's about 1.12%.

So it's not very surprising that we've never seen a game which is 0-0 after round 2. Based on the above, and assuming everything's uniform and at random (i.e. players don't play safer in R2 if they've had a word disallowed in R1, which in real life they might), if you saw 53 games where the score after round 1 was 0-0, the probability of any one of those games being 0-0 after round 2 would be about 60%.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:37 pm

Jennifer Steadman wrote:From Series 67 - 73 (not including 30th Birthday) and excluding those with fewer than 4 wins, who are the 16 players with:
In the following tables, only games between series 67 and 72 count. Series 73 isn't complete so isn't in the database.
Jennifer Steadman wrote: - the highest average score per game

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Dylan Taylor          119.91              
Jen Steadman          117.44              
Dan McColm            117.36              
Giles Hutchings       115.91              
Tom Cappleman         114.45              
Glen Webb             113.40               
Andy Platt            110.00               
Zarte Siempre         109.33              
Mark Murray           108.27              
Bradley Cates         108.10               
Tricia Pay            106.00               
Gerry Tynan           104.90               
Abdirizak Hirsi       103.33              
Antoinette Ryan       102.73              
Mark Davies           102.44              
Andy Noden            102.44              
Jennifer Steadman wrote:- the highest average maxes score per game

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Dylan Taylor          12.73               
Jen Steadman          12.33               
Dan McColm            12.09               
Giles Hutchings       11.55               
Tom Cappleman         11.45               
Andy Platt            10.82               
Andy Noden            10.44               
Bradley Cates         10.30                
Glen Webb             10.20                
Zarte Siempre         10.17               
Mark Murray           10.09               
Tricia Pay            10.00                
Abdirizak Hirsi       9.67                
Samir Pilica          9.50                 
George Ford           9.30                 
Gerry Tynan           9.20
Jennifer Steadman wrote: - the highest letters score/max percentage

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Jen Steadman          94.65               
Dylan Taylor          94.39               
Dan McColm            92.98               
Andy Noden            92.21               
Tom Cappleman         89.16               
Andy Platt            88.40                
Giles Hutchings       88.31               
Mark Davies           85.88               
Tricia Pay            84.68               
Glen Webb             83.81               
Paul James            83.71               
Tracey Mills          83.17               
Gerry Tynan           83.03               
Mark Murray           82.93               
Samir Pilica          82.72               
Zarte Siempre         82.38
Jennifer Steadman wrote: - the highest numbers score/max percentage

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Dylan Taylor          98.62               
Tom Cappleman         97.24               
Zarte Siempre         96.20                
Dan McColm            93.55               
Giles Hutchings       92.24               
Laurence Killen       91.67               
Jen Steadman          91.04               
Andy Platt            90.91               
George Ford           89.34               
Bradley Cates         87.91               
Antoinette Ryan       86.96               
Gerry Tynan           86.84               
Glen Webb             86.08               
David Barnard         85.37               
Mark Murray           85.35               
Callum Todd           84.80 
Jennifer Steadman wrote: - and the highest conundrum solve percentage?

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Rod Chatfield         100.00               
Tricia Pay            88.89               
Dan McColm            81.82               
Giles Hutchings       81.82               
Andy Noden            77.78               
Tom Cappleman         72.73               
Glen Webb             70.00                
Neil Green            70.00                
Bradley Cates         70.00                
Joe McGonigle         70.00                
Zarte Siempre         66.67               
Jen Steadman          66.67               
Callum Todd           66.67               
Sean Fletcher         66.67               
Roy Taylor            66.67               
Paul James            63.64               
Mark Murray           63.64 
Jennifer Steadman wrote:Not asking for much here. (Sorry.)
As a bonus, here are two more lists showing percentage of letters rounds maxed (so number of rounds maxed divided by number of rounds played, rather than letters score divided by potential letters score)...

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Dylan Taylor          84.55               
Jen Steadman          83.33               
Dan McColm            79.09               
Andy Noden            75.56               
Giles Hutchings       74.55               
Tom Cappleman         70.91               
Andy Platt            70.18               
Samir Pilica          70.00                
Mark Murray           66.36               
Glen Webb             66.00                
Neil Green            65.56               
Bradley Cates         65.00                
Tracey Mills          62.73               
Tricia Pay            62.22               
Abdirizak Hirsi       61.67               
Zarte Siempre         60.00  
...and percentage of numbers rounds maxed...

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Dylan Taylor          95.45               
Tom Cappleman         90.91               
Zarte Siempre         87.50                
Dan McColm            84.09               
David Barnard         83.33               
Jen Steadman          83.33               
Andy Platt            82.50                
Laurence Killen       82.50                
Giles Hutchings       81.82               
George Ford           80.00                
Gerry Tynan           80.00                
Bradley Cates         77.50                
Abdirizak Hirsi       75.00                
Callum Todd           72.73               
Glen Webb             72.50                
Tricia Pay            72.22  
... and people who appear on every one of these lists...

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Tom Cappleman
Giles Hutchings
Dan McColm
Zarte Siempre
Jen Steadman
... and people who are needlessly worrying too much that they won't qualify for the CoC. :-D

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Jen Steadman
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:21 pm

Heather Styles has pretty much stated that she doesn't think Jen should qualify. It's going to be an awkward train to CONOT.

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Graeme Cole wrote: In the following tables, only games between series 67 and 72 count. Series 73 isn't complete so isn't in the database.
Pretty sure your lists didn't include series 72 :P

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Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:28 pm

Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Graeme Cole wrote: In the following tables, only games between series 67 and 72 count. Series 73 isn't complete so isn't in the database.
Pretty sure your lists didn't include series 72 :P
Grargh. No, well spotted, they don't. This is because, while the database contains games up to series 72, a pretty important table that deals with when players' octoruns were doesn't. I'll fix that.

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Post by Heather Styles » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:34 am

No need for awkwardnesses, Gavin. It would be unthinkable for Jen to miss out on CoC of any discernible quality.

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Post by Johnny Canuck » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:40 pm

Heather Styles wrote:No need for awkwardnesses, Gavin. It would be unthinkable for Jen to miss out on CoC of any discernible quality.
Was the omission of an "a" intentional there?
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Post by Heather Styles » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:22 pm

Dunno ;)

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Post by Matty Artell » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:54 pm

In the 15-round ear, what is the average score from challengers when 0 nines, 1 nines, and 2 nines are available? What about for octochamps?

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Post by Matty Artell » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:54 pm

Also, I'd like to know about the 15-round era as well as its ear.

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