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Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:35 am
by Graeme Cole
Thomas Carey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:00 am
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Position Name Prediction Points Total Points
3 Graeme Cole ZS (5) 78 231
Bwahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha
Thomas Carey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:26 am
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Position Name Prediction Points Total Points
12 Graeme Cole MH (15) -60 171
hahaha
Thomas Carey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:33 am
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Position Name Prediction Points Total Points
16 Graeme Cole AM (5) -19 152
ha
Thomas Carey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:51 am
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17 Graeme Cole NM (45) -68 84
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:02 pm
by L'oisleatch McGraw
The OP reads like ESL.
There's something about a -75, but it's not explained.
Also, with the margins scoring, it says there is an extra 1pt added per number closer than 10pts out, but in the given example, it seems some sort of exponential method is used...
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:43 pm
by Thomas Carey
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:02 pm
The OP reads like ESL.
There's something about a -75, but it's not explained.
Also, with the margins scoring, it says there is an extra 1pt added per number closer than 10pts out, but in the given example, it seems some sort of exponential method is used...
Since you predicted Paul and me to win, you're essentially pretending Zarte is Paul on Thursday. They basically look the same anyway. The -75 thing is for games where you've guessed both of the wrong players to be there (so everyone who guessed Stephen and Paul to win now has that for the me-Zarte game). Margins - the exponential (actually quadratic) thing is for guesses within 10 of the actual margin, flat linear point loss system for guesses further than 10 out, which gets a steeper gradient (double points lost) if you're more than 40 out on the margin.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:56 pm
by L'oisleatch McGraw
Thomas Carey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:43 pmThey basically look the same anyway.
Fair point. Paul is the Clark Kent version...
Tx for the explanation. Clears up a few things I was unsure about.
The only bit that's still confusing is this:
Is that an automatic -75 you score if neither of your picks from earlier matches appear opposite one another in a later match?
And if so, is there a points penalty for having one wrong player in a match?
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:05 pm
by L'oisleatch McGraw
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:56 pm
The only bit that's still confusing is this:
Actually, never mind. I think I have it now.
-75 as a penalty for having both wrong players in a match,
but no penalty applies as long as one of the players is the person you predicted to be there.
And as that system will carry on all the way to the final, the most accurate sets of predictions, like cream before them, will rise to the top. V nice.
It's a decent and interesting scoring system.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:45 pm
by Thomas Carey
JONATHAN I STILL HAVE YOUR JUMPER I'LL GIVE YOU IT AT COLIN also PHILIP IS BACK AGAIN
Eoin, myself: take a bow. Very surprised nobody else expected this, Philip's bloody good. Hopefully the opponent column is self explanatory, it'll become more interesting later. The 18 point win for Philip had one bang on guess, one one away and then the next closest were Gev and Robbo down the bottom, interesting outcome.
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Position Name Prediction Opponent Points Total Points
1 Tim Down JW (11) PA -19 418
2 Thomas Carey PA (17) JW 95 406
3 James Laverty JW (6) PA -14 384
4 Eoin Jackson PA (18) JW 105 383
5 Tom Ssssss JW (15) PA -23 363
6 Tom Cappleman JW (15) PA -23 354
7 Zubair Patel JW (6) PA -14 351
8 Bradley Horrock JW (16) PA -24 346
9 Rhys Benjamin JW (7) PA -15 327
10 Jen Steadman JW (7) PA -15 307
11 Mark Murray JW (25) PA -36 304
12 Toby McDonald JW (7) PA -15 294
13 Owen Carroll JW (25) PA -36 279
14 Zarte Siempre JW (12) PA -20 263
15 Gavin Chipper JW (1) PA -9 257
16 James Robinson JW (1) PA -9 202
17 Graeme Cole JW (30) NM -46 38
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:04 pm
by Thomas Carey
cow gets MASHED by BRADLEY'S HORROCKS a SECOND TIME
3 point victory for our Bradley! Most people thought it was going to be Bradley vs Ann, but sadly that wasn't to be, so some of the results got bashed around a bit. We also got the first of many -75 scores, but the low winning margin generally meant that nobody lost too much. Tim massively extends his lead while a lot of Ann voters including Horrock slip down a bit.
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Position Name Prediction Points Total Points
1 Tim Down BH (5) AD 86 504
2 Thomas Carey BH (17) AD 46 452
3 Eoin Jackson BH (12) JC 51 434
4 Tom Ssssss BH (10) AD 56 419
5 Zubair Patel BH (8) JC 65 416
6 Tom Cappleman BH (15) AD 48 402
7 James Laverty AD (4) BH 6 390
8 Toby McDonald BH (6) JC 78 372
9 Bradley Horrock AD (2) BH 15 361
10 Gavin Chipper BH (1) AD 86 343
11 Mark Murray BH (25) AD 38 342
12 Rhys Benjamin AD (7) BH 0 327
13 Owen Carroll BH (20) AD 43 322
13 Jen Steadman AD (2) BH 15 322
15 Zarte Siempre AD (0) BH 28 291
16 James Robinson BH (17) AD 46 248
17 Graeme Cole AM (30) AD -75 -37
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:48 pm
by Thomas Carey
TASS vs YET ANOTHER TOM
50 point win for Tom means that everyone got the winner but only Robbo didn't lose margin points. Pretty standard stuff. Cheers maus
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Position Name Prediction Opponent Points Total Points
1 Tim Down TCC (15) MT 26 530
2 Thomas Carey TCC (17) MT 28 480
3 Eoin Jackson TCC (24) MT 35 469
4 Tom Ssssss TCC (17) MT 28 447
5 Zubair Patel TCC (11) MT 22 438
6 Tom Cappleman TCC (20) MT 31 433
7 James Laverty TCC (13) MT 24 414
8 Toby McDonald TCC (18) MT 29 401
9 Bradley Horrock TCC (24) MT 35 396
10 Mark Murray TCC (35) MT 46 388
11 Gavin Chipper TCC (15) MT 26 369
12 Owen Carroll TCC (23) MT 34 356
13 Rhys Benjamin TCC (12) MT 23 350
14 Jen Steadman TCC (15) MT 26 348
15 Zarte Siempre TCC (20) MT 31 322
16 James Robinson TCC (45) MT 71 319
17 Graeme Cole MH (5) MT 12 -25
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:43 pm
by Thomas Carey
THAT GAME
Cheers for all the support! Most people guessed something with a smaller margin that the 28 given how close everything was meant to be because nobody could have predicted that ninefest. Scores were pretty much divided between about 40 and the -75 fest for the Paul vs Stephen predictors. Blame the original creator of this scoring system (and my televised walloper)
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Position Name Prediction Opponent Points Total Points
1 Tim Down ZS (12) TC 44 574
2 Thomas Carey ZS (17) TC 49 529
3 Eoin Jackson PE (0) TC 32 501
4 Tom Ssssss PE (10) TC 42 489
5 Tom Cappleman ZS (0) SR 32 465
6 James Laverty ZS (1) TC 33 447
7 Bradley Horrock PE (10) TC 42 438
8 Mark Murray ZS (5) SR 37 425
9 Owen Carroll ZS (20) SR 53 409
10 Jen Steadman ZS (11) SR 43 391
11 Rhys Benjamin ZS (3) TC 35 385
12 Zubair Patel PE (3) SR -75 363
13 Toby McDonald PE (2) SR -75 326
14 Gavin Chipper SR (1) PE -75 294
15 Zarte Siempre PE (15) SR -75 247
16 James Robinson PE (15) SR -75 244
17 Graeme Cole TC (25) ZS -56 -81
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:39 pm
by L'oisleatch McGraw
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:25 pmAnother prediction about this Champion of Champions...
...the long standing game high score record of 146 will finally be beaten.
Yep!
It only took 17 years.
My new prediction is that 150pts will remain unbeaten for fewer than 3 years.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:03 pm
by Tom S
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:39 pm
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:25 pmAnother prediction about this Champion of Champions...
...the long standing game high score record of 146 will finally be beaten.
My new prediction is that 150pts will remain unbeaten for fewer than 3 years.
Yeah, I've got some funny inkling about that too, but it will not be easy for any player......
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:57 pm
by Thomas Carey
PHILIP VS ZARTE AGAIN AGAIN SMH CHANNEL 4 GET SOME NEW MATERIAL
Yeah, 'everyone' predicted their group of death candidate to win here. -75s causing some issues. Enjoy COLIN, everyone!!
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Position Name Prediction Opponent Points Total Points
1 Tim Down ZS (9) JW 36 610
2 Thomas Carey ZS (23) PA 50 579
3 Eoin Jackson PE (3) PA 30 531
4 Tom Cappleman ZS (25) JW 53 518
5 James Laverty ZS (14) JW 41 488
6 Mark Murray ZS (25) JW 53 478
7 Owen Carroll ZS (10) JW 37 446
8 Jen Steadman ZS (17) JW 44 435
9 Rhys Benjamin ZS (5) JW 32 417
10 Tom Ssssss PE (12) JW -75 414
11 Bradley Horrock PE (19) JW -75 363
12 Zubair Patel PE (15) JW -75 288
13 Toby McDonald PE (8) JW -75 251
14 Gavin Chipper SR (1) JW -75 219
15 Zarte Siempre PE (20) JW -75 172
16 James Robinson PE (25) JW -75 169
17 Graeme Cole JW (10) TC -75 -156
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:08 am
by Rhys Benjamin
Ah, I've only just noticed that incorrect predictions have been interpreted as a scale rather than a number... is this right?
For instance, Jen's predicted a 17-point win for Stephen against 'Maus, but there's an argument to say this should be interpreted as "2 away + incorrect result" (36 pts), not "36 away + incorrect result" (-26 pts).
Clarification from Zarte would be useful, especially since I interpreted the rules as the former (right margin, wrong result = 55) - which is why I erred on the side of low margins.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:16 am
by Thomas Carey
Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:08 am
Ah, I've only just noticed that incorrect predictions have been interpreted as a scale rather than a number... is this right?
For instance, Jen's predicted a 17-point win for Stephen against 'Maus, but there's an argument to say this should be interpreted as "2 away + incorrect result" (36 pts), not "36 away + incorrect result" (-26 pts).
Clarification from Zarte would be useful, especially since I interpreted the rules as the former (right margin, wrong result = 55) - which is why I erred on the side of low margins.
Yeah, Jen pointed that out to me, she's on your side (lol). Was with Zarte at the time and he agreed with my interpretation. We asked Graeme and he said it should be ours but it is very ambiguous. I'll redo the scores your way at the end
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:58 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Thomas Carey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:16 am
Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:08 am
Ah, I've only just noticed that incorrect predictions have been interpreted as a scale rather than a number... is this right?
For instance, Jen's predicted a 17-point win for Stephen against 'Maus, but there's an argument to say this should be interpreted as "2 away + incorrect result" (36 pts), not "36 away + incorrect result" (-26 pts).
Clarification from Zarte would be useful, especially since I interpreted the rules as the former (right margin, wrong result = 55) - which is why I erred on the side of low margins.
Yeah, Jen pointed that out to me, she's on your side (lol). Was with Zarte at the time and he agreed with my interpretation. We asked Graeme and he said it should be ours but it is very ambiguous. I'll redo the scores your way at the end
This quote from Zarte (especially the bit about probably losing margins points if you pick the wrong winner) made me think that picking Stephen to beat Tom by 17 when really Tom won by 19 would count as 36 away.
Zarte Siempre wrote:If you predict the wrong winner you can still collect margin points, or more likely, you will still lose margin points. In the event of a tie-break conundrum, this will be taken to be a 0 point win. If you were to predict this for the wrong player, you would still get 55 margin points, cos it’d be a ballsy pick.
I'd say it's not that ambiguous actually.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:11 pm
by Graeme Cole
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:58 pm
Thomas Carey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:16 am
Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:08 am
Ah, I've only just noticed that incorrect predictions have been interpreted as a scale rather than a number... is this right?
For instance, Jen's predicted a 17-point win for Stephen against 'Maus, but there's an argument to say this should be interpreted as "2 away + incorrect result" (36 pts), not "36 away + incorrect result" (-26 pts).
Clarification from Zarte would be useful, especially since I interpreted the rules as the former (right margin, wrong result = 55) - which is why I erred on the side of low margins.
Yeah, Jen pointed that out to me, she's on your side (lol). Was with Zarte at the time and he agreed with my interpretation. We asked Graeme and he said it should be ours but it is very ambiguous. I'll redo the scores your way at the end
This quote from Zarte (especially the bit about probably losing margins points if you pick the wrong winner) made me think that picking Stephen to beat Tom by 17 when really Tom won by 19 would count as 36 away.
Zarte Siempre wrote:If you predict the wrong winner you can still collect margin points, or more likely, you will still lose margin points. In the event of a tie-break conundrum, this will be taken to be a 0 point win. If you were to predict this for the wrong player, you would still get 55 margin points, cos it’d be a ballsy pick.
I'd say it's not that ambiguous actually.
Yes, this quote (specifically, the "more likely") is what made me think that a predicted margin includes a direction. It's not explicitly stated, but the "more likely" thing certainly points more to that interpretation than the other one. It's possible to pick the wrong winner and still win margin points (if you predicted C1 to win by 1, but C2 won by 1, you're 2 away), but less likely than if you picked the right winner.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:02 pm
by Thomas Carey
TOM AND BRADLEY AGAIN BUT THIS TIME THE OTHER GUY WIN WOOOOOH SPOOKY ALSO DUNK DUNK ETC
The Tim is dead. Long live the... me?!
After the big scoring system debacle (I'll post standings with the other system also, but they won't count) and an even bigger COLIN, we have this thing again. And we finally got a one point margin, which created some interesting point gains. However, the margin went the wrong way to what everyone guessed... except once again me and Eoin, the same two who said Philip to beat Jonathan! (Also Lav sort of but like not really, lol)
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Position Name Prediction Opponent Points Total Points
1 Thomas Carey BH (25) TCC 36 615
2 Tim Down TCC (8) BH 1 611
3 Eoin Jackson BH (7) TCC 60 591
4 James Laverty AD (8) TCC 56 544
5 Tom Cappleman TCC (20) BH -11 507
6 Mark Murray TCC (15) BH -6 472
7 Owen Carroll TCC (10) BH -1 445
8 Rhys Benjamin TCC (4) AD 15 432
9 Jen Steadman TCC (12) AD -3 432
10 Tom Ssssss TCC (10) BH -1 413
11 Bradley Horrock TCC (11) AD -2 361
12 Zubair Patel TCC (3) BH 21 309
13 Toby McDonald TCC (9) BH 0 251
14 Gavin Chipper TCC (10) BH -1 218
15 Zarte Siempre TCC (8) AD 1 173
16 James Robinson TCC (30) BH -21 148
17 Graeme Cole MH (25) AM -75 -231
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:18 pm
by Gavin Chipper
Just looking at the scoring for today's game, it does seem strange that you get 50 points (plus whatever you get for margins) for predicting Ann Dibben to beat Tom Chafer-Cook, whereas you get -75 if neither of your players are in the game. I actually kind of assumed that you would only get the win points for a game if you actually predicted the winner correctly. It seems strange that you get full game rights for having one player in the game rather than half game rights, and then nothing at all for having neither player in.
Is this definitely the right interpretation? To be clear, I think you should only get the 50 win points in today's game if you specifically predicted Bradley Horrocks to win.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:37 pm
by Thomas Carey
THE FINAL
I called all but one game correctly, albeit with some shocking margins. Can't really go wrong there. (Tim in second called twelve, but was a lot less than a hundred behind...)
33 point win for Zarte, boom boom. At least he won the contest that mattered, I guess...
Cheers for taking part, everyone. I'll put results up with some different scoring systems soon, to see how you'd all have done with less confusion. (@Gev's last point, that was how I interpreted the rules, so I just went with it).
Cheers for playing everyone!!
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Position Name Prediction Opponent Points Total Points
1 Thomas Carey ZS (36) BH 78 693
2 Tim Down ZS (7) TCC 34 645
3 James Laverty ZS (12) AD 39 583
4 Eoin Jackson BH (0) PE -23 568
5 Tom Cappleman ZS (0) TCC 27 534
6 Owen Carroll ZS (10) TCC 37 482
7 Jen Steadman ZS (13) TCC 40 472
8 Rhys Benjamin ZS (5) TCC 32 464
9 Mark Murray TCC (5) ZS -28 444
10 Tom Ssssss PE (10) TCC -75 338
11 Bradley Horrock PE (15) TCC -75 286
12 Zubair Patel TCC (7) PE -75 234
13 Toby McDonald PE (2) TCC -75 176
14 Gavin Chipper SR (6) TCC -75 143
15 Zarte Siempre PE (10) TCC -75 98
16 James Robinson PE (0) TCC -75 73
17 Graeme Cole MH (35) JW -75 -306
The theoretical max here is 1575.
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:04 pm
by Gavin Chipper
At least I beat Graeme's random guesses!
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:49 pm
by Tom S
Cheers, thanks for running
Re: The CoC Predictions Game
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:09 am
by Tim Down
Denied by rodent. It was fun, thanks for running it.