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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:53 pm

Noel Mc wrote:
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What is the furthest, starting at round one, that two games have got, being identical in their selections.

- With letter/number order in a round important
- Without letter/number order in a round important
No two letters selections on Countdown have ever been exactly identical (same letters in the same order). Nine selections match nine other selections in their first eight letters, though - for example, round 2 of episode 2085 and round 12 of episode 3853.

If we just look at R1 selections and find the longest matching prefix between two such selections, we find that episodes 1055 and 3721 were identical in their first seven letters, as were episodes 3948 and 4827.

If we disregard the order of the letters within a selection, there are loads of episodes with the same R1 selection as some other episode (I make it 444, if you count each occurrence of the same R1 selection separately).

There is only one instance of two episodes having the same R1 selection and the same R2 selection. These were episodes 153 and 154, so it was probably a shuffling failure rather than a remarkable coincidence.

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Post by Noel Mc » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:59 pm

You're like a wizard.

Statistically, it shouldn't be surprising that there have never been two identical rounds, but somehow it is.

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Post by Matt Morrison » Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:47 am

Graeme Cole wrote:
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There is only one instance of two episodes having the same R1 selection and the same R2 selection. These were episodes 153 and 154, so it was probably a shuffling failure rather than a remarkable coincidence.
And worth mentioning the two R3s were 8/9 matching. Utter madness. Someone got shuffling in the first numbers round.

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Post by Tom S » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:56 am

3 of Conor Travers' prelim opponent's have since re-appeared as contestants on the show. Is this the most re-appearing contestant's from a particular octochamp's prelim run?

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Post by Sam Cappleman-Lynes » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:15 pm

Has there ever been an episode in the 15-round era in which every letters selection contained only 3 vowels?

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Post by Graeme Cole » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:41 pm

Tom S wrote:
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3 of Conor Travers' prelim opponent's have since re-appeared as contestants on the show. Is this the most re-appearing contestant's from a particular octochamp's prelim run?
I first misinterpreted this question as "which opponent of an octochamp has had the most separate runs", so I might as well answer that, which is Barbara Wylde with 3 appearances.

The answer to the actual question asked here is that there are two octochamps for whom three of their prelim opponents later reappeared - they are Kevin Thurlow (Shelagh Addis, Philip Jarvis, Peter Lee) and Richard Pay (Sue Babb, Kirk Bevins, Sue Booton).

Perhaps I'm missing something - as far as I can tell only two of Conor's prelim opponents returned (Jane Capie and Judy Bursford). Who's the third?

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Post by Graeme Cole » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:55 pm

Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote:
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Has there ever been an episode in the 15-round era in which every letters selection contained only 3 vowels?
There have been six:

http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_3876
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_3954
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_4381
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_4682
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_4956
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_7002

In all of these except episode 3954, the conundrum also had no more than three vowels. In episode 4956 it only had two.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Tom S » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:22 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:41 pm
Tom S wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:56 am

Perhaps I'm missing something - as far as I can tell only two of Conor's prelim opponents returned (Jane Capie and Judy Bursford). Who's the third?
Andrew Christley, but he went on on his 2nd appearance as Andy Christley. Don't think the wiki notes it.

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Post by Rhys Benjamin » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:00 pm

Tom S wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:22 pm
Graeme Cole wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:41 pm

Perhaps I'm missing something - as far as I can tell only two of Conor's prelim opponents returned (Jane Capie and Judy Bursford). Who's the third?
Andrew Christley, but he went on on his 2nd appearance as Andy Christley. Don't think the wiki notes it.
Are you sure? The image on the wiki looks too young. If that's confirmed for sure I will happy merge the two articles.
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:48 pm

What is the longest DC guest run? Phil Hammond just did eight.

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Post by Johnny Canuck » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:09 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
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What is the longest DC guest run? Phil Hammond just did eight.
Kenneth Williams’ gig in Series 1 and 2 comes to mind but that might not be it.
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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Tom S » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:25 pm

Johnny Canuck wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:09 pm
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:48 pm
What is the longest DC guest run? Phil Hammond just did eight.
Kenneth Williams’ gig in Series 1 and 2 comes to mind but that might not be it.
Paul Zenon is to do 10 in a row soonish.

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Post by Ben Wilson » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:37 pm

Gyles surely had the longest continuous run sometime in the eighties?

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Post by Adam Dexter » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:01 pm

What is the longest run of teapots there have been? There have been 5 in a row (and counting) at present.

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Post by Patrick Thompson » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:05 pm

Apologies if it’s already been asked but what is the longest valid word that’s come out in the selection stage?

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Post by James Robinson » Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:40 pm

Patrick Thompson wrote:
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Apologies if it’s already been asked but what is the longest valid word that’s come out in the selection stage?
LOUNGED certainly came out in one of Julian Fell’s games.
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Post by L'oisleatch McGraw » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:42 pm

Are there any Apterous users who have played at least one game every month since August 2008?
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Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote:
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Which octochamp has the smallest range of scores? Which has the smallest coefficient of variation?
And the answer to Sam's implicit question (where is he in the lists), which I'm sure he's already worked out: Joint second on range with 13, and 3rd on CV with 4.24

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Thomas Cappleman wrote:
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Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:20 pm
Which octochamp has the smallest range of scores? Which has the smallest coefficient of variation?
And the answer to Sam's implicit question (where is he in the lists), which I'm sure he's already worked out: Joint second on range with 13, and 3rd on CV with 4.24
What about standard deviation? (The better one.)

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L'oisleatch McGraw wrote:
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Are there any Apterous users who have played at least one game every month since August 2008?
Ian Volante has september 2008 which I assume is the best you'll get
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Post by Sam Cappleman-Lynes » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:40 am

Sam Cappleman-Lynes wrote:
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I also did the same thing for the Nasty large numbers:

4 Large - 27492: 316 = ((62 * 12 - 1) * 37 + 1) / 87
3 Large - 32451: 877 = ((62 * 6 + 1) * 87 - 2) / 37
2 Large - 22950: 918 = (62 * 37 * 10 + 10) / (5 * 5)
1 Large - 10440: 580 = 87 * 8 * (8 + 7) / (9 + 9)

I briefly wondered what the results would be if you were allowed *any* large numbers, Aegilops-style. But a quick estimate tells me it would take a few months to exhaustively check every case. The main problem is that I've had to turn off the optimisation where I throw away partial calculations if there are multiple ways of reaching the same value with the same numbers, because here we genuinely care about the difference between (100 + 75) - 50 and 100 + (75 - 50).
Update: I decided to do the Aegilops version of this question - namely, what is the highest unavoidable intermediate result to a numbers solution when the large numbers can be anything in the range 11-100? The results are:

1 Large - 15600: 975 = 26 * 6 * 10 * 10 / (8 + 8)
2 Large - 93600: 975 = 52 * (9 + 9) * 10 * 10 / 96
3 Large - 106596: 987 = 94 * 81 * (7 + 7) / (99 + 9)
4 Large - 855360: 972 = 96 * 90 * 99 / (89 * 10 - 10)

I almost can't believe the size of the answer to 4L.

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Post by Ian Volante » Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:29 pm

Thomas Carey wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 am
L'oisleatch McGraw wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:42 pm
Are there any Apterous users who have played at least one game every month since August 2008?
Ian Volante has september 2008 which I assume is the best you'll get
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Post by L'oisleatch McGraw » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:54 pm

How many times has an error been made in dictionary corner, whereby they allowed a word not in the relevant dictionary, or disallowed a word that was...?
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Post by Tom S » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:43 pm

Is 82 the biggest range in terms of scores in which a player has got in any 15 rounder? Thinking about how Sam's 1st opponent got 115 the game before and then 33 the next. Wondering if that is the largest range?

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L'oisleatch McGraw wrote:
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How many times has an error been made in dictionary corner, whereby they allowed a word not in the relevant dictionary, or disallowed a word that was...?
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L'oisleatch McGraw wrote:
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How many times has an error been made in dictionary corner, whereby they allowed a word not in the relevant dictionary, or disallowed a word that was...?
44 times a word has been wrongly allowed, I know that much since I've just edited them all in the wiki.
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Post by Rhys Benjamin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:33 pm

How many 9-letter words have appeared on the show exactly once (both including and excluding as a conundrum)? I’m thinking of DIARRHOEA for a start.
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Post by Ben Wilson » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:18 pm

One thing I've been wondering- who's played the most number of old 15 rounders without having ever played any other format? I'd be surprised if it wasn't Jack Hurst. Similarly, who's played the most number of old 9 rounders without having ever played any other format, including 14 rounders or masters games? That one's a bit harder to figure out.

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Post by Rhys Benjamin » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:56 am

Ben Wilson wrote:
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who's played the most number of old 9 rounders without having ever played any other format, including 14 rounders or masters games? That one's a bit harder to figure out.
I thought I'd have a go at this myself, manually... (i.e. I'm going to have a guess and get it wrong).

My immediate thought was the Supreme Championship, but since almost all of those players have done a GF, Coc GF, a Masters, or a 2003-15 special, then they're more or less out.

What you want, really, is a 9-round octochamp that got to the semi final, returned for a COC and, again, got to a semi final, since as far as I can work out there's no one at all in the SC other than Satbir Gupta who didn't play any other format.

So with that in mind, I'm going to make a guess at 12, tied between Terry Knowles, Simon Pryde (on account of the fact a lack of an 8th heat game is made up for by having a then non-standard 16-player COC), Suzanne Miles, and Lindsay Denyer.

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Post by Thomas Carey » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:08 am

Ben Wilson wrote:
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One thing I've been wondering- who's played the most number of old 15 rounders without having ever played any other format? I'd be surprised if it wasn't Jack Hurst. Similarly, who's played the most number of old 9 rounders without having ever played any other format, including 14 rounders or masters games? That one's a bit harder to figure out.
new 15 has to be zarte right, surely?
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Post by Tom S » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:44 am

Was looking at this game: http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_6645, and the champ stops scoring from R7-onwards. Has any champ stopped scoring points before that point?

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Tom S wrote:
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Was looking at this game: http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_6645, and the champ stops scoring from R7-onwards. Has any champ stopped scoring points before that point?

I would say this game is more notable for the winning word in rd 8.

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JackHurst wrote:
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Tom S wrote:
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Was looking at this game: http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_6645, and the champ stops scoring from R7-onwards. Has any champ stopped scoring points before that point?

I would say this game is more notable for the winning word in rd 8.
If I recall correctly, Noel was completely composed when he was declaring it. Think you'd have to be if you were a secondary school teacher declaring FAPS! :)

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Post by Noel Mc » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:08 pm

JackHurst wrote:
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I would say this game is more notable for the winning word in rd 8.
Spotted it after about 2 seconds. Spent the next 28 seconds panicking, desperately trying to find something else.

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Noel Mc wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:08 pm
JackHurst wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:19 pm
I would say this game is more notable for the winning word in rd 8.
Spotted it after about 2 seconds. Spent the next 28 seconds panicking, desperately trying to find something else.
Brilliant. Good job there wasn't another F for SPAFF

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Post by Charlie Reams » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:26 pm

I would be interested to see some stats along the lines of "max % for top seed versus max % for the other seven seeds" for each series. This might be one way to evaluate players who were most "ahead of their time" in comparison to other strong players from the same era.

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Charlie Reams wrote:
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I would be interested to see some stats along the lines of "max % for top seed versus max % for the other seven seeds" for each series. This might be one way to evaluate players who were most "ahead of their time" in comparison to other strong players from the same era.
It might just suggest a weak series. To be ahead of their time, they'd have to be breaking new ground for max % compared to previous series. I don't think looking at someone's own series in isolation tells you that much. If you look at octochamps, you've probably got Harvey Freeman, Julian Fell and Elliott Mellor as the best examples.

But octoruns don't tell the whole story. Elliott Mellor didn't really break new ground in terms of performance overall, because of Conor Travers's performances in the 30th birthday thing. Also I think Helen Grayson actually had a higher max % than Freeman (and was before him) but wasn't an octochamp. She was number one seed though, so it fits your criterion actually. But then with such a low max available to her (apparently the eight games starting with her first (in her second run, because she retired early from series 1) had the lowest max ever - which is a pretty freaky coincidence), perhaps it's arguable that it's easier to get a high percentage of that max. And Allan Saldanha's overall performance in the supreme championship looked ahead of its time, even though he lost to Harvey Freeman (who had played worse in the tournament overall) in the final.

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Post by Rhys Benjamin » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:50 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
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I would be interested to see some stats along the lines of "max % for top seed versus max % for the other seven seeds" for each series. This might be one way to evaluate players who were most "ahead of their time" in comparison to other strong players from the same era.
This is actually how I tend to predict series winners, and led to me correctly predicting Ed McCullagh would beat Adam Gillard.
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Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:17 pm

Johnny Canuck wrote:
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What is the longest DC guest run? Phil Hammond just did eight.
Kenneth Williams’ gig in Series 1 and 2 comes to mind but that might not be it.
This is it. Kenneth Williams was the DC guest in 39 episodes in a row spanning most of series 1 and some of series 2.

The next longest run is 17, on two occasions, both by Gyles Brandreth. They were in series 4 and series 8.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:46 pm

Adam Dexter wrote:
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What is the longest run of teapots there have been? There have been 5 in a row (and counting) at present.

Getting rather expensive in the porcelain dept!
If you only count heat games and ignore intervening finals, seven teapots in a row is the record. It's happened on three occasions:
These all happen to be after the teapot was introduced as a prize in about 1998 or so, but the answer is unchanged if you also look at before then. I'm counting a teapot as being awarded if a player won a heat game and that was the first episode of their run.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:50 pm

James Robinson wrote:
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Apologies if it’s already been asked but what is the longest valid word that’s come out in the selection stage?
LOUNGED certainly came out in one of Julian Fell’s games.
I don't have a definitive word list, but I'd expect this is it (round 8 in this game), possibly along with other equally-long words. If there had been an eight-letter tnetennba I think it would have been remarked upon when transcribing the historical recaps years ago.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:54 pm

L'oisleatch McGraw wrote:
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How many times has an error been made in dictionary corner, whereby they allowed a word not in the relevant dictionary, or disallowed a word that was...?
I can't claim credit for this, but I think what you want here is the category on the wiki entitled Episodes affected by administrative errors. However, this includes all kinds of mistakes unrelated to word adjudication like when a vowel comes out of the consonant box.

There's also a narrower category called Episodes critically affected by administrative errors, when an error affected the result of the game or the seedings for the finals.

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Post by Matt Morrison » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:59 pm

cool page. someone add Heather's! http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_4984

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Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:03 pm

Tom S wrote:
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Is 82 the biggest range in terms of scores in which a player has got in any 15 rounder? Thinking about how Sam's 1st opponent got 115 the game before and then 33 the next. Wondering if that is the largest range?
According to the database which only goes up to series 81, the largest min-max range by a player in new 15-rounders was 76 by Jill Thwaites (103 and 27), so the range of 82 this series is the new record.

In old 15-rounders it was 80 (134 and 54) by Hamish Williamson.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:26 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
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How many 9-letter words have appeared on the show exactly once (both including and excluding as a conundrum)? I’m thinking of DIARRHOEA for a start.
I'm taking "appeared on the show" to mean "either or both of the contestants offered the word", mainly because I can't do it if I define it as anything else - the database doesn't record DC offerings. If both contestants offered it in the same round, that only counts as once.

Disregarding conundrums, there are 641 valid nine-letter words which have been offered in exactly one round ever, up to the end of series 81.

If we count conundrums as well (an "appearance" is when the word was the conundrum's solution, regardless of whether it was solved), there are 1,948.

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Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:35 pm

Ben Wilson wrote:
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One thing I've been wondering- who's played the most number of old 15 rounders without having ever played any other format? I'd be surprised if it wasn't Jack Hurst. Similarly, who's played the most number of old 9 rounders without having ever played any other format, including 14 rounders or masters games? That one's a bit harder to figure out.
Exclusively 9 rounders: Lindsay Denyer, Suzanne Miles, James Martin, Simon Pryde, Bhavin Manek and Terry Knowles (12).
Exclusively old 15 rounders: Mark Tournoff and Jack Hurst (17).
Exclusively new 15 rounders: Zarte Siempre (21).

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Thomas Carey » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:43 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:
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Ben Wilson wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:18 pm
One thing I've been wondering- who's played the most number of old 15 rounders without having ever played any other format? I'd be surprised if it wasn't Jack Hurst. Similarly, who's played the most number of old 9 rounders without having ever played any other format, including 14 rounders or masters games? That one's a bit harder to figure out.
Exclusively 9 rounders: Lindsay Denyer, Suzanne Miles, James Martin, Simon Pryde, Bhavin Manek and Terry Knowles (12).
Exclusively old 15 rounders: Mark Tournoff and Jack Hurst (17).
Exclusively new 15 rounders: Zarte Siempre (21).
Well timed, since Jack's about to lose this 'record' in a couple months
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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:44 pm

Tom S wrote:
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Was looking at this game: http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_6645, and the champ stops scoring from R7-onwards. Has any champ stopped scoring points before that point?
If you're talking about 15-round heat games and only counting players not in the first game of their run, no. That's the only 15-round game where a champion scored nothing after R7.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Tom S » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:44 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:44 pm
Tom S wrote:
Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:44 am
Was looking at this game: http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_6645, and the champ stops scoring from R7-onwards. Has any champ stopped scoring points before that point?
If you're talking about 15-round heat games and only counting players not in the first game of their run, no. That's the only 15-round game where a champion scored nothing after R7.
Thanks- was what I was inferring at.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:01 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:26 pm
I would be interested to see some stats along the lines of "max % for top seed versus max % for the other seven seeds" for each series. This might be one way to evaluate players who were most "ahead of their time" in comparison to other strong players from the same era.
I think this is vaguely similar to what you want...

This table is for all series since the 15-rounder started (series 46). First column is the series number, second column is the top seed's name, third column is their max percentage for their heats, fourth column is the average max percentage for the other seven seeds in that series. The "other seven seeds" are all the players who played a quarter-final in that series except the top seed, so anyone who would have qualified for the finals but didn't turn up for whatever reason isn't counted.

A maxed round is when the player scored the most points possible in the round (including, say, unbeaten 2-away numbers solves when the max was 1-away).

"Average max percentage" of the other seven players is worked out by dividing the total number of rounds those players maxed divided by the total number of rounds those players played, so players who played fewer than 8 heats have less weight in the average. Only the heat games for the relevant contestant run are considered.

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                             SEED 1  SEEDS 2-8
 SER  TOP SEED                MAX %    MAX %
  46  Ben Wilson            46.6666     44.0
  47  Chris Wills           65.8333  49.1666
  48  Julian Fell           78.3333  50.8641
  49  John Davies           51.6666  42.2764
  50  Chris Cummins         59.1666  47.8014
  51  Stewart Holden        71.6666  46.4052
  52  Paul Gallen              65.0  49.6296
  53  John Brackstone       54.1666  51.7283
  54  Conor Travers         66.6666  50.1818
  55  Steven Briers         55.8333  40.9696
  56  Aaron Webber          58.3333  44.4444
  57  Craig Beevers         74.1666     47.5
  58  David O'Donnell       68.3333  44.1509
  59  Charlie Reams         55.8333  45.6296
  60  Kirk Bevins           70.8333  48.5714
  61  Andrew Hulme          63.3333  51.7283
  62  Oliver Garner            65.0  42.1794
  63  Jack Hurst            75.8333  54.8809
  64  Adam Gillard             65.0  52.1088
  65  Mark Deeks            55.8333  43.2142
  66  Jonathan Rawlinson    74.1666  43.8095
  67  Paul James            55.8333  44.4047
  68  Giles Hutchings          77.5     50.0
  69  Dylan Taylor          84.1666  58.3030
  70  Mark Murray           69.1666  47.3202
  71  Dan McColm            79.1666  52.9696
  72  Thomas Cappleman      78.3333  51.9753
  73  Thomas Carey          78.3333  57.8616
  74  Paul Erdunast         70.8333  44.0522
  75  Martin Hurst          53.3333  40.1282
  76  Stephen Read          70.8333  45.4761
  77  Tom Chafer-Cook       68.3333  43.3333
  78  Zarte Siempre         74.1666  45.1572
  79  Martin May               52.5  39.4047
  80  Elliott Mellor           85.0  39.7333
  81  James Haughton           65.0  40.3571


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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Charlie Reams » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:50 pm

Very interesting, thank you. So the biggest absolute differences are Elliott Mellor (+45%), Jonathan Rawlinson (+30%), and Zarte (+29%). My expectation was that more recent series are generally stronger and therefore it would be harder for the top players to maintain such a large advantage, but there's clearly no correlation. In fact the correlation between max rate and series number is very weak, so my whole premise is probably wrong.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by L'oisleatch McGraw » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:55 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:
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DJ Marky Mark wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:03 am
Hi Graeme, Remembering my wife's amazing comeback against Neil Stephenson, 21 behind with 4 rounds to go and winning by 22 points, is there any other players that have come from behind better than that. :D :) ;)
The biggest ever comeback in terms of the biggest deficit in the game by the eventual winner was by Richard Pay in this game, where he won despite being 40 points behind with 6 rounds left.

The furthest behind the eventual winner has been with four rounds left is 33 by Rory Coleman against Graham Harrison. For three rounds left, it's 26, in the same game. [url=http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_2163]
So if Paul had buzzed in with DECANTING before the human dictionary got it, he'd now hold the "3 rounds to go" record... Gotta be a candidate for one of the greatest "if onlys".
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