the Countdowners Outside Co:Event Meet-ups game (COCMEAT)

[Matt Morrison]

Great stuff Matt. Can't believe you counted Indra though! Cheeky!

[Mark Deeks]

I just went for a steak with Kirk Bevins in Las Vegas.

[Gavin Chipper]

Updated. Dan's at uni, everyone else as above with a few new ones, may still have missed some idk

Joseph Krol, Sophie Krol
Callum T, Jamie M, Zarte, Jen, Andy, Heather S, Mark and Graeme, Matt and Loz, Matty, Giles, Aidan, Sara, Anoush
Jonny Rawlinson
Tanmay
Oli Garner
Dan Byrom

While some of these people may be obvious, you need to surname up these people.

Like, who is Anoush? I don't think this is a standard Countdown person.

[Thomas Carey]

Like, who is Anoush? I don't think this is a standard Countdown person.

Khachik, according to somebody else's list. He's fairly regular on apterous. Edited/updated my post.

[Jennifer Steadman]

Joseph Krol, Sophie Krol (ancient)

No way does this count! Otherwise Sara counts for me (arguably my mum too)

[James Laverty]

Callum Pickering- various times
Jaco Bates- Callum's flatmate who has had an apterous account but hasn't used for ages
Dan McColm- visited Callum once or twice
Jason Turner- Gave me taxi rides a few times at Uni
Jonathan Wynn- visited Callum
Matty Artell- met up when I was in Manchester for a non-CD related thing
Ben Wilson- randomly bumped into him at Lincoln station
Matt Conway(?)- not 100% sure but pretty sure we met at a Forest game once

Whole load of others at CD audiences but don't think we are counting these. I really need to do better

Can add a few

Ian Volante- Korfball
Wes Jardine- Bit of a weird one, bumped into him at Earls Court Tube station (admittingly I was in London for Co:Lon, but he didn't attend so I'm counting it)

[Jennifer Steadman]

Bumper fortnight for COCMEAT.

37. Innis Carson (pre-Christmas meet-up)
38. Aidan Linge (Zarte's birthday, actually we have hung out before but I forgot him from my list)
39. George Armstrong (Zarte's birthday)
40. SJ (SJ's birthday)
41. Phil Collinge (SJ's birthday)
42. Phil Makepeace (SJ's birthday)
43. COLLECTOR'S EDITION: 2019 Charlie Reams (SJ's birthday)
44. Angus Eady, S74 contestant (I know him through mutual friends. this was ages ago I just forgot to include him)

[Gavin Chipper]

Jon O'Neill
Mark Deeks
Matt Morrison
Heather Badcock
Jen Steadman
Heather Styles
Graeme Cole
Adam Gillard
Bjorn Aas

I can also add to this having been at Supee's 50th.

Supee
Phil Collinge
Phil Makepeace
Charlie Reams

Though I feel Phil Makepeace should already be on there. Anyway, he is now so it doesn't matter.

[Matt Morrison]

Fun reading through this. Absolutely bewildering that Mark Deeks used to think audience for Countdown recordings should count. Ridiculous.

Also - Jen - can you expand on your inclusion of Paul Sinha? I think you have to spend time with him after the show for it to count, not just be in the audience for an otherly-famous thing. I'm sure you did, just checking.

I've got a pair of Dans to add to my list:

• Ben Hunter
• Dinos Sfyris
• Charlie Reams
• Mark Deeks
• Jon O'Neill
• Michael Wallace
• CF
• Matt Bayfield
• Michelle Nevitt
• Ryan Taylor
• Adam Gillard
• Phil Makepeace
• Gevin
• Jen Steadman
• Heather Styles
• Graeme Cole
• Tom Barnes
• Bjorn Aas
• Nathan Pace
• Kath Webb
• Dan Vanniasingham
• Dan McColm

[Mark Deeks]

Used to? Still do.

[Gavin Chipper]

I'm going to rewrite my list:

Jon O'Neill (various, probably the first time was at Chelmsford parkrun)
Mark Deeks (various, probably the first time was on election night in 2015, and he also came to mine with Jen)
Matt Morrison (various, been to his flat several times)
Heather Badcock (various, been to her flat several times)
Jen Steadman (London meet-up, and she also came to mine with Mark Deeks)
Heather Styles (London meet-up)
Graeme Cole (London meet-up)
Adam Gillard (London meet-up)
Bjorn Aas (London meet-up)
Supee (her 50th birthday)
Phil Collinge (Supee's 50th birthday)
Phil Makepeace (various, round the Morricock's, Supee's 50th)
Charlie Reams (Supee's 50th)
Matt Bayfield (came to my local parkrun on Jeff's wedding day)
Lauren Hamer (came to my local parkrun on Jeff's wedding day)
Jeff Clayton (accidental meeting in Tesco's)

[Thomas Carey]

Rewriting my list. (accurate as of lockdown times)

Joseph Krol, Sophie Krol (ancient/childhood friends, also you can add Emily Zhang and Wilf Carey if you count people I know from real life I've dragged to co-events as countdowners)
Callum Todd, Jamie McNeill, Zarte Jones, Jen Steadman, Andy Platt, Heather Styles, Mark Deeks and Graeme Cole, Matt Hayfield and Loz Bamer, Matty Artell, Giles Hucthings, Aidan Linge, Sara Lawson, Anoush Khachik, Tom Cappleman, Ann Dibben, Innis Carson, George Armstrong, Big Steve Anderson, Elliott Mellor, James Haughton (various meets)
Mark Hartnett (edge case I mentioned earlier which I'm gonna count even though I was there with Eddy Bryne and Gerry Tynan. Them too if you want)
Chloe Jones (non countdown related Susie Dent talk which totally counts)
Dan McColm (randomly bumped into a drunk him on the Glasgow subway, then got a drink the next day)
Jonny Rawlinson, Tanmay Dixit, Oli Garner, Dan Byrom, Mervyn Tong, Richard Freeland (uni, also put J. Krol here again)
Jason Larsen (went to his place when I was in Seattle)
Jessica Pratesi (met at events for a non word game we both play)

[Jennifer Steadman]

Also - Jen - can you expand on your inclusion of Paul Sinha? I think you have to spend time with him after the show for it to count, not just be in the audience for an otherly-famous thing. I'm sure you did, just checking.

Almost offended you had to ask. Had a chat with him before one of his shows in London a few years ago (accompanied by my friend Imogen, who played at CO:LON 2017).

If Maus is including people he has brought to Co-events/knew prior to being a part of the community (which I don't rly think should count):
Sara Lawson, Caroline Steadman, Eleni Bohacek, Leah King, Emily Muir, Imogen Birt, James Uffindell

[Gavin Chipper]

People you already knew definitely shouldn't count.

[Thomas Carey]

People you already knew definitely shouldn't count.

Disagree. Why should certain people count for some people but not others? I’m happy to accept that people who don’t really do countdown but got dragged along to the odd event shouldn’t count as countdowners, which is why I put some people in brackets above. But Joseph Krol (for example) is a Countdowner, and I have met him in real life outside of Countdown stuff, so why shouldn’t he count?

[Matt Morrison]

Definitely shouldn't count. This is Countdowners you've met outside Countdown stuff, I think you'd consider family and friends to be family and friends before you categorise them as Countdowners. If that makes sense.

[Thomas Carey]

What about, say, people I first knew through countdown but then met entirely coincidentally through other stuff? Like, Jonathan Rawlinson was my supervisor for a bit, and would have been regardless of either of our involvement in countdown. I knew him through countdown first, so by your rules I can count him, but if one of us had gotten into countdown after we’d first met I shouldn’t be able to? Makes no sense to me. The same also applies to a few other people on my list (Dan B and Jessica for instance) and presumably some other peoples’ lists as well


(Idk why I’m so invested in this either tbh)

[Matt Morrison]

There is definitely lots of interesting discussion to be had here. I think part of the reason that before/after makes such a big difference is because apterous (the real community rather than Countdown I think it's fair to say) is a real word-of-mouth thing. For nearly every example of someone who can say they knew someone else on apterous before apterous, the reason that person is on apterous is usually because of that someone in question telling them about it and encouraging them to get on there. I think in most of these borderline COCMEAT legality cases, it really boils down to the fact that knowing the person, and that person also being part of the community, are not mutually exclusive.

In your Rawlinson case, I'd happily accept that if you had both "found" Countdown/apterous entirely independently (after already having met) then this would still be ok. It would also help that I suppose the role of supervisor is more official than "friend" - I think the chances of "friends" independently finding apterous/Countdown is very very slim, and they would have to be pretty shit friends for Friend A (the first one on the scene) to not really have ever bothered talking about Countdown to Friend B, and thus indirectly encouraging and contributing B's joining the community. Whereas with vague acquaintances, people you have only met once or twice beforehand, both making independent decisions to get involve could still happen legitimately.