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Post by Maxine Silkstone » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:27 pm

SAMOYED
as in the breed of dog
Listed in ODE
Samoyednoun1a member of a group of mainly nomadic peoples of northern Siberia, who traditionally live as reindeer herders.
2[mass noun] any of several Samoyedic (Uralic) languages of the Samoyeds
3a dog of a white Arctic breed

Now given that saluki just a page away has no capitalization, I would've thought that samoyed would be ok too. Like flowers and plants they are all uncapitalized, yes?
Nope!
It seems that if your dog is named after a place eg Labrador, Alsatian it is a proper noun with a capital if not eg labradoodle, dachsund it's just an ordinary noun and doesn't!

so where does that leave the Dulux Dog?

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Post by Kai Laddiman » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:51 pm

GAUZES should defo be in, as in the gauzes you put on tripods for Bunsen burners, and also I was very surprised to find that the plural of RENEGADO is RENEGADOES, not RENEGADOS.
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Post by Charlie Reams » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:14 pm

CLOVERS is the most ridiculous omission, although in the last few days I've noticed the absence of AMPHETAMINES and VOLLEYBALLS, both of which are pretty puzzling.

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Post by Jon Corby » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:56 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:CLOVERS is the most ridiculous omission, although in the last few days I've noticed the absence of AMPHETAMINES and VOLLEYBALLS, both of which are pretty puzzling.
Yeah, Susie has actually ruled against CLOVERS offered by a contestant on the show, which caused me to spit out my tea at the time.

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Post by Darren Carter » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:28 pm

How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked.

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Post by Charlie Reams » Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:17 pm

On the theme of X words, INBOX was a surprising exclusion that arose recently. I suspect the new edition (early 2010?) will drop a lot of hyphens so that might well be a new addition.

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Post by Phil Reynolds » Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:22 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:On the theme of X words, INBOX was a surprising exclusion that arose recently. I suspect the new edition (early 2010?) will drop a lot of hyphens so that might well be a new addition.
Yep, the current one already has BRAINBOX, which has no hyphens at all but presumably means a receptacle for incoming mammary support garments.

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Post by Marc Meakin » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:01 pm

AIRBAG should be in

Also PLAUDIT
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Post by Charlie Reams » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:22 pm

CONMAN/CONMEN surprises a lot of people by its absence. Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit."

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Post by Phil Reynolds » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:40 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit."
Presumably that's what you get if there's only one audient.

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Post by D Eadie » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 am

COALMINE
DELUXE
AIRHOLE / S
BEASTING
GULLIBLE

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Post by Kai Laddiman » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:48 am

D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
That's strange, I thought that was in.
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Post by Stuart Arnot » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:48 am

Kai Laddiman wrote:
D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
That's strange, I thought that was in.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Jeffrey Burgin » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:54 am

Darren Carter wrote:How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked.
You're not the only one. ;)

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Post by Darren Carter » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:01 am

Jeffrey Burgin wrote:
Darren Carter wrote:How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked.
You're not the only one. ;)
Shhh I think that's bordering on a spoiler...... ;)

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Post by Darren Carter » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:30 am

I'm suprised MUNTER isn't in yet as well.

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Post by Eoin Monaghan » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:29 pm

The amount of times my name has come up at the start of a selection must be a record, although that's because I pick VVVCCCCC(V OR C). And they are also common letters, couldn't find any relative topic to post this in, so I put it here. :)

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Post by Shaun Hegarty » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:25 pm

PLEASER?

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Post by D Eadie » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:31 pm

Kai Laddiman wrote:
D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
That's strange, I thought that was in.

Reeled another one in i see.
Good lord above. :o

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Post by Kai Laddiman » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:02 pm

GLACIATED, GLACIATION... No GLACIATES :(
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Post by Maxine Silkstone » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:12 pm

Kai Laddiman wrote:GLACIATED, GLACIATION... No GLACIATES :(
Maybe it happens too slowly to be present tense!

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Post by Marc Meakin » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:35 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:CONMAN/CONMEN surprises a lot of people by its absence. Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit."
I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural
GR MSL GNDT MSS NGVWL SRND NNLYC NNCT

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Post by Phil Reynolds » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:40 pm

marc meakin wrote:I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural
It is a plural. It just happens to be one that isn't used in the singular form, like TWEEZERS/TWEEZER.

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Post by Marc Meakin » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:47 pm

Phil Reynolds wrote:
marc meakin wrote:I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural
It is a plural. It just happens to be one that isn't used in the singular form, like TWEEZERS/TWEEZER.
I thought TWEEZER was an agent noun
GR MSL GNDT MSS NGVWL SRND NNLYC NNCT

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Post by Marc Meakin » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:54 pm

I tried to play IMBURSE once
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Post by Gavin Chipper » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm

Kai Laddiman wrote:
D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
That's strange, I thought that was in.
An interesting fact - the joke about GULLIBLE being taken out of the dictionary has been taken out of the joke book.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm

HORSEHEAD
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PINCE

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Post by Charlie Reams » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:50 pm

RESPOTTED

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Post by Shaun Hegarty » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:31 pm

Hitman and hitmen.

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Post by Matt Morrison » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:40 pm

Shaun Hegarty wrote:PLEASER?
Someone clever will clear this up, but it's probably only ever used in the phrase "crowd pleaser", never on its own, so invalid.

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Post by Kirk Bevins » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:56 pm

POTTABLE

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Post by Matt Morrison » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:58 pm

LAGGY, LAGGIER, LAGGIEST

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Post by Ben Wilson » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:31 pm

STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage.

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Post by Phil Reynolds » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:35 pm

Ben Wilson wrote:STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage.
Is it (in common usage)? I've never heard it used as a verb, and the only derivative I've ever encountered is STRIMMER, which is in.

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Post by Jon Corby » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:54 pm

Phil Reynolds wrote:
Ben Wilson wrote:STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage.
Is it (in common usage)? I've never heard it used as a verb, and the only derivative I've ever encountered is STRIMMER, which is in.
Strimming, as well as in the gardening sense, is also a term used by coin-op manufacturers for defrauding such devices. Obviously not that common usage, but if you've been involved in that field you'll have come across it plenty.

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Post by Jon O'Neill » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:56 am

STRIM is mine too.

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Post by David Williams » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:37 pm

Going back to the first post, SOMEDAY is in, SAMOYED is out.

There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?

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Post by Kai Laddiman » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:42 pm

David Williams wrote:There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
McDonalds?
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Post by David O'Donnell » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:55 pm

I remember ROADSIDE wasn't in the NODE or due to some NODE technicality couldn't be accepted.

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Post by Tyron Potts » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:34 pm

Is it RINGROAD?

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Post by Michael Wallace » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:00 pm

Kai Laddiman wrote:
David Williams wrote:There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
McDonalds?
Don't be silly.

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Post by Craig Beevers » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:14 pm

One particularly ridiculous omission is SHITTER. It isn't in CSW either. I'd have expected it to be allowed as a 1-syllable adjective in ODE.

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Craig Beevers wrote:One particularly ridiculous omission is SHITTER. It isn't in CSW either. I'd have expected it to be allowed as a 1-syllable adjective in ODE.
Good point. When I read that I didn't think of the adjective, was thinking more of the noun, as in "well that's a bit of a shitter isn't it?"

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Post by Michael Wallace » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:18 pm

Oh yeah, and obviously MODDING should be in by now, and LOSSIER (although that has an anagram, so it's less of a big deal from a Countdown perspective).

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Post by Darren Carter » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:45 pm

SHITFACE is in, but no SHITFACED.....

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Post by David Williams » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:48 pm

David O'Donnell wrote:I remember ROADSIDE wasn't in the NODE or due to some NODE technicality couldn't be accepted.
No, that was the earlier dictionary that left out compound words whose meaning was obvious, in order to save space.

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Post by David Williams » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:51 pm

Tyron Potts wrote:Is it RINGROAD?
No.

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Post by Maxine Silkstone » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:15 pm

I always believed the plural of Quorum to be Quorae, apparently not, Quorums it is.
Is this because the archaic Latin bits are being fazed out or does my 30 year old Latin grammar escape me?

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Post by Peter Mabey » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:01 am

Maxine Silkstone wrote:I always believed the plural of Quorum to be Quorae, apparently not, Quorums it is.
Is this because the archaic Latin bits are being fazed out or does my 30 year old Latin grammar escape me?
Yes (assuming you meant 'phased' - classical Greek's going, too ;) ) and yes: the plural of QUORUM would be ^QUORA, taking it as 2nd Declension, neuter, though as it's not actually a Latin noun, QUORUMS is OK.

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Post by Craig Beevers » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:37 pm

Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.

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Post by Charlie Reams » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:52 pm

Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?

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Post by Jon Corby » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:54 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?
*makes up a sentence hilariously using summate to be "some ate" like the classic 'my coat has 10 buttons but I can only fascinate'*

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Post by David Williams » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:39 pm

David Williams wrote:There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
Given the total lack of interest, I can reveal that although there are several meanings for REMOVAL in the NODE, including one about moving house, there is no hint that it is anything other than a mass noun, so REMOVALS is not allowed. One assumes the sides of furniture vans are not included in the British National Corpus.

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Post by Craig Beevers » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:42 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?
It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it.

Or are you just angling for Thesaurus Project so you can take a big black marker pen to a copy of ODE?

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Post by Phil Reynolds » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:52 pm

Craig Beevers wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:
Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?
It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it.
I notice you've answered neither of Charlie's questions...

It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in?

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Post by Jeffrey Burgin » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:58 pm

Jon Corby wrote:*makes up a sentence hilariously using summate to be "some ate" like the classic 'my coat has 10 buttons but I can only fascinate'*
Four plus four, summate.

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Post by Craig Beevers » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:10 pm

Phil Reynolds wrote:
Craig Beevers wrote: It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it.
I notice you've answered neither of Charlie's questions...

It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in?
Dozens of the more popular ones online. As for Collins it depends which one you use, regardless it's probably worse than a randomly chosen online source. And yes I've heard it used, probably in a maths lecture where they like to throw in less simple words for the sake of it. Doesn't alter how irrelevant those two questions are.

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Post by Jimmy Gough » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:17 pm

Kirk Bevins wrote:POTTABLE
Yeah, but TABLETOP is so much nicer.

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Post by Paul Howe » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:42 pm

PALATISE

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Post by Phil Reynolds » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:46 pm

Craig Beevers wrote:
Phil Reynolds wrote:It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in?
Dozens of the more popular ones online.
So the answer to my question "could you perhaps name" them is no? Just so we're clear.

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