Apterous Summer Open Week 1

Andrew Feist · Post by **Andrew Feist** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:59 pm

General reminders: All matches are to be Standard 15, best-of-three. Everyone will be scheduled for one match a week for the next five weeks. These are the matches for week 1; post results in this thread please.

Open: (Swiss system, accelerated pairings) (4 games left of 20!)
Kirk Bevins 2-0 James Hurrell
Oliver Garner 0-2 Junaid Mubeen
Jon Corby 2-1 Ben Wilson
Martin May 1-2 Charlie Reams
Innis Carson 2-0 Jack Hurst
Jim Bentley 1-2 Dinos Sfyris
Kai Laddiman 1-2 Neil Zussman
Matt Bayfield 0-2 David O'Donnell
Andrew Hulme - Richard Priest
Ian Volante 0-2 Damian Eadie
Ross Allatt 2-1 Simon Myers
Paul Erdunast 1-2 Donald Gordon
Henry Meier 1-2 Matt Morrison
Mark Harrison 2-0 Jay Murphy
Julie Russell 1-2 James Doohan
Peter Lee - James Levison
Marc Meakin 1-2 Andy Kravis
Aaron Higgs 2-0 Niall Seymour
Ian Dent 1-1 Jeff Burgin
Tom Rowell - Ben Ziek

U1200: (Swiss system) (1 games left of 14)
Barry Evans 0-2 Jeff Burgin
Tom Rowell 0-2 Matthew Green
Ross Allatt 1-2 Paul Erdunast
Simon Myers 2-1 Donald Gordon
Henry Meier 1-2 Daniel O'Dowd
Jay Murphy 0-2 Marcus Hares
Mark Harrison 0-2 Matt Morrison
Peter Crawley 0-2 James Doohan
Tyron Potts - Liam Tiernan
Shaun Hegarty 1-2 Peter Lee
Jeff Clayton 2-1 Rob Thomas
Phil Collinge 0-2 Andy Kravis
Aaron Higgs 2-0 Andy Wilson
Ian Dent 0-2 Lesley Hines

U1000: (Pools with crossover SEE NOTE BELOW)
Liam Tiernan 2-0 Ian Dent
James Hall 2-0 Andy Wilson
Julie Russell 2-0 Phil Collinge
Jason Turner 2-0 James Levison
Shaun Hegarty 2-1 Niall Seymour

U800: (Pools with crossover SEE NOTE BELOW)
Ian Dent 2-0 James Leroux
Gregor Morgan 1-2 Ben Ziek
Maxine Silkstone 2-0 Steve Rogers
Adam Dexter - Supee Juachan

NOTE FOR U1000: Your crossover games are based on rating, not performance; hence an additional crossover game may need to be played in week 5. Beep repaired.

NOTE FOR U800: You will play a round-robin in two pools of four, then crossover matches based on performance (the top two from pool 1 will play the top two from pool 2, and ditto for the bottom two). That means that final rankings will not be based solely on record; the four top-two finishers will finish in the top four places and the four bottom-two finishers will finish in the bottom four places.

Shaun Hegarty · Post by **Shaun Hegarty** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:06 pm

Just so I'm totally clear on it, what exactly is meant by crossover games? Maybe I'm being a bit dim, but I feel like I'm missing something.

Also, cheers for the effort and work you've put into this, seriously.

Andrew Feist · Post by **Andrew Feist** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:28 pm

Shaun Hegarty wrote:Just so I'm totally clear on it, what exactly is meant by crossover games? Maybe I'm being a bit dim, but I feel like I'm missing something.

Also, cheers for the effort and work you've put into this, seriously.

Crossover games are games you play against people in the other pool.

Shaun Hegarty · Post by **Shaun Hegarty** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:43 pm

Ah, that's what I was thinking, but I couldn't figure it out because of the general mixing of people in the pools anyway. Cheers.

Daniel O'Dowd · Post by **Daniel O'Dowd** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:31 am

First results! Very very close games all three, and the third in particular is of merit for its extremely interesting max words.

O'Dowd 2-1 Meier:
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79032
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79052
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79063

ETA: Question: how will you be ranking those on the same number of points: initial ranking, points scored across all games, or spread? (If the latter two, I'm guessing you prefer this as an absolute skill ranking despite potentially some people playing one more game than others in matches)

Andrew Feist · Post by **Andrew Feist** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:51 am

Daniel O'Dowd wrote: ETA: Question: how will you be ranking those on the same number of points: initial ranking, points scored across all games, or spread? (If the latter two, I'm guessing you prefer this as an absolute skill ranking despite potentially some people playing one more game than others in matches)

First tiebreaker is games won/lost percentage, second tiebreaker is points/game.

Jon Corby · Post by **Jon Corby** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:48 am

Do you still play the 3rd match if someone's 2-0 up?

JackHurst · Post by **JackHurst** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:28 am

Jon Corby wrote:Do you still play the 3rd match if someone's 2-0 up?

I dont quite know how swiss pairing works, but if its anything similar to what was used in the last aptobash im guessing you might need to play all three games in order to calculate the spread thing. (whatever that is)

Matthew Green · Post by **Matthew Green** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:07 pm

Tom, Im gonna leave my CPU on apterous all day so just challenge me if you wanna play.

Daniel O'Dowd · Post by **Daniel O'Dowd** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:13 pm

Jon Corby wrote:Do you still play the 3rd match if someone's 2-0 up?

Andrew told me that you can if you want, but it won't be counted towards results.

Andrew Feist · Post by **Andrew Feist** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:29 pm

Daniel O'Dowd wrote:
Jon Corby wrote:Do you still play the 3rd match if someone's 2-0 up?
Andrew told me that you can if you want, but it won't be counted towards results.

Right. The goal is to get to two wins, so the results will either be 2-0 or 2-1. The points tiebreaker will be points/game, so you shouldn't fear "only" playing two games.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:49 pm

Martin, I'm online most of the time, match me when you want to play.

David O'Donnell · Post by **David O'Donnell** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:12 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:Martin, I'm online most of the time, match me when you want to play.

I will be doing likewise, Matt.

Ian Dent · Post by **Ian Dent** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:48 pm

Jeff Burgin - when might I find you?

Ben Wilson · Post by **Ben Wilson** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:51 pm

Corby, name your time and your place (except for tomorrow evening that is).

Maxine Silkstone · Post by **Maxine Silkstone** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:20 pm

Calling Steve Rogers.....When's good for you?

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:29 pm

When did public forum posts become the new private messages?

Maxine Silkstone · Post by **Maxine Silkstone** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:40 pm

Matt Morrison wrote:When did public forum posts become the new private messages?

When the new numpties on them have no idea how to do private messages coz none of the clever buggers already in there give any instructions!

Edited: Ok, Ok, I'm a lazy numpty, just had a wade around and figured out PM's (now i know they exist)and a really handy thingy called FAQ. Thanks for the prod, clever bugger! Can I have some custard with my humble pie please?

Ian Dent · Post by **Ian Dent** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:46 pm

No need for that really.
Has any harm been done?

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:40 pm

Maxine Silkstone wrote:just had a wade around and figured out PM's (now i know they exist)and a really handy thingy called FAQ. Thanks for the prod, clever bugger! Can I have some custard with my humble pie please?

Haha! Sorry Maxine, wasn't a prod at you at all! Was just tipsy off my gran's champagne and wanted to have a go at everyone. On a positive note, you've inspired me to develop a page in the apterous help section to cover tips for using the forum. At some point.

Ian Dent wrote:No need for that really.
Has any harm been done?

Less of your cheek Denty.

jason turner · Post by **jason turner** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:46 pm

u1000, section,

Jason Turner 2-0 James Levison

J.Levison · Post by **J.Levison** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:55 pm

Me and Jason Turner have played our U-1000 match. Jason winning all three. Weren't sure as to weather we play all three or not, but thats been cleared up after looking at the other posts in this thread.

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79518
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79531
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79546

Marcus Hares · Post by **Marcus Hares** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:56 pm

Result from round 1:

Marcus Hares 2-0 Jay Murphy

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79547
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79557

James Hurrell · Post by **James Hurrell** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:12 pm

Oh crap. What did I do (or not do) to deserve that draw??

Andrew Feist · Post by **Andrew Feist** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:22 pm

James Hurrell wrote:Oh crap. What did I do (or not do) to deserve that draw??

Look at it this way: at the cost of starting 0-1, you've guaranteed yourself not to have to play Kirk the rest of the way.

Jeffrey Burgin · Post by **Jeffrey Burgin** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:45 pm

Ian Dent wrote:Jeff Burgin - when might I find you?

Usually in the evenings from 8.30-9.30, I'm on now if you fancy it.

Aaron Higgs · Post by **Aaron Higgs** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:16 pm

Me vs Andy Wilson (U1200)

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79635
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79643

Me vs Niall Seymour (Open)
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79656
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79663

Andy Wilson · Post by **Andy Wilson** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:24 pm

Ian Dent wrote:No need for that really.
Has any harm been done?

Well, it does mean Andrew has to scroll through some irrelevant stuff to find results. Perhaps we should yap about it in another thread and leave this one just for results, to make it a little easier on the Feisty one.

Matt Bayfield · Post by **Matt Bayfield** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:58 am

David O'D: I tend to be on apterous between 8 am and 9 am, noon and 1 pm, and 5 pm and 6 pm. If I haven't spotted you online after a couple of days, please look out for me.

Cheers--
Matt

Lesley Hines · Post by **Lesley Hines** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:35 am

Hi - here are the results between me an Ian Dent:

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79845
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79850
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79859

It was a close run thing! Really enjoyed it thanks Ian.

Andy Kravis · Post by **Andy Kravis** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:53 pm

Results from my games with Marc Meakin (open):

http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79981
http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79990
http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80003

Three very close games indeed.

Marc Meakin · Post by **Marc Meakin** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:00 pm

Andy Kravis wrote:Results from my games with Marc Meakin (open):

http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79981
http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=79990
http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80003

Three very close games indeed.

Yeah well played Andy

The fact that you got all three conundrums explains why I tend to lose the close ones

Ian Volante · Post by **Ian Volante** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:53 pm

Tough battles, but Damian sunk me in the end:

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80032
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80041

If only I'd not missed an easy seven early in the first game, I'd have got beat on a tiebreak instead...

Donald Gordon · Post by **Donald Gordon** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:02 pm

Results from my games with Paul Erdunast (2-1 to me) from the open:

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80024
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80034
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80045

some great games, cheers paul, especially the first one with a max of 160!

Andrew Feist · Post by **Andrew Feist** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:31 pm

I've edited in the results that I've got noted.

Also: I realized that I did not quite say what I meant regarding the first tiebreaker. For example, two people might be tied at 4-1 in match play; one could have a game record of 9-4, while the other a record of 8-3. For my purposes, those two players are still tied as far as game record goes (even though the first has a permillage of 0.692 and the second 0.727). A more accurate claim would be that the first tiebreaker is "games above .500" or "net games" or even "treat the record like a subtraction problem". Sorry for the confusion.

Matt Bayfield · Post by **Matt Bayfield** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:05 pm

In the open category

Matt Bayfield 0 - 2 David O'Donnell

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80065
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80076

Matthew Green · Post by **Matthew Green** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:15 pm

Where you at Tom? Come and face me, son of Jor-El, kneel before Fritzl!

James Doohan · Post by **James Doohan** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:05 pm

Open result

James Doohan 2-1 Julie Russell

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ke ... 1153330689
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ke ... 6886089096
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ke ... 4177737017

Tough contests, always a tough game versus Julie

James Hall · Post by **James Hall** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:30 pm

James Hall 2 - 0 Andy Wilson
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80304
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80286

Two well-fought games for this match.

Matt Bayfield · Post by **Matt Bayfield** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:11 am

Oh pants. I'm really sorry about this, but I think I'm going to have to withdraw from the competition.

Because of an unexpected development at work (one of my job hazards is having to move at ultra short notice), this afternoon I will move to an office where I will have no access to apterous. This means I won't be around for the foreseeable future, at least until I get net access at home again (which might be a while since I currently don't own a working computer).

Apologies Andrew, for messing up your tourney... and if I'm not around for a while, then thank you to the apto-people I've played over the month or two I've been here. It might take a while, but I'll be back as soon as I get the opportunity.

Best wishes all.
--Matt

Jeffrey Burgin · Post by **Jeffrey Burgin** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:25 am

U1200
Jeffrey Burgin 2 - Barry Evans 0

Game 1: http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80447
Game 2: http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80450

Shaun Hegarty · Post by **Shaun Hegarty** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:39 pm

(U1000) Shaun Hegarty 2 - 1 Niall Seymour

Deciding game had a tough crucial conundrum, was a tad scary.

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80470
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80483
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80497

Andrew Feist · Post by **Andrew Feist** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:33 pm

Matt Bayfield wrote:Oh pants. I'm really sorry about this, but I think I'm going to have to withdraw from the competition.

Because of an unexpected development at work (one of my job hazards is having to move at ultra short notice), this afternoon I will move to an office where I will have no access to apterous. This means I won't be around for the foreseeable future, at least until I get net access at home again (which might be a while since I currently don't own a working computer).

Apologies Andrew, for messing up your tourney... and if I'm not around for a while, then thank you to the apto-people I've played over the month or two I've been here. It might take a while, but I'll be back as soon as I get the opportunity.

Best wishes all.
--Matt

I guess I will then step in to take the extra place.

Phil Collinge · Post by **Phil Collinge** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:51 pm

U1000
Julie Russell 2-0 Phil Collinge

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80652
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80673

Maxine Silkstone · Post by **Maxine Silkstone** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:33 pm

U800
Maxine Silkstone v Steve Rogers
3-0
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80668
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80680
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80686

James Doohan · Post by **James Doohan** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:42 pm

U1200 Result

Peter Crawley 0-2 James Doohan

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ke ... 7491417692
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ke ... 0677918636

Jeff Clayton · Post by **Jeff Clayton** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:41 pm

U1200 result
Jeff Clayton 2-1 Rob Thomas

68-75
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80705

87-60
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80723

92-53
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80737

Junaid Mubeen · Post by **Junaid Mubeen** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:42 pm

Me 2-0 Oliver:

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80738
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80747

I am mightily relieved.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:43 pm

Christine Russell wants to play if you have a vacancy.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:29 pm

Three good games with Martin in which we both scored over 90 every time and he nailed all 3 conundrums:

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81058
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81065
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81068

Shaun Hegarty · Post by **Shaun Hegarty** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:08 pm

Peter Lee 2 - 1 Moi
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81402
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81388
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81297

Simon Myers · Post by **Simon Myers** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:08 pm

Good match against Donald Gordon in the U1200 bracket, which I managed to scrape through 2-1 despite my broken niner-radar:

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81170
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81382
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=81395

Matthew Green · Post by **Matthew Green** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:33 pm

http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80985
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=80997

Matt Green 2-0 Tom Rowell

Jon Corby · Post by **Jon Corby** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:58 pm

Ben Wilson 103 - 99 Jon Corby
Ben Wilson 78 - 89 Jon Corby
Ben Wilson 93 - 103 Jon Corby after a second crucial conundrum. Exciting stuff!

Simon Myers · Post by **Simon Myers** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:24 am

Jon Corby wrote:Ben Wilson 103 - 99 Jon Corby
Ben Wilson 78 - 89 Jon Corby
Ben Wilson 93 - 103 Jon Corby after a second crucial conundrum. Exciting stuff!

Apt final two conundrums!

James Hurrell · Post by **James Hurrell** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:58 am

Kirk - some time before 4 today would be good - don't think I'll be able to fit this in otherwise. I am usually on around 12:30-2

Kirk Bevins · Post by **Kirk Bevins** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:12 am

James Hurrell wrote:Kirk - some time before 4 today would be good - don't think I'll be able to fit this in otherwise. I am usually on around 12:30-2

I've sent you a private message - I'm at school teaching and we can't get apterous to work - it's blocked. On an evening or at a weekend is best for me. Can't you play on Saturday or Sunday say?

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:58 am

Kirk Bevins wrote:I'm at school teaching and we can't get apterous to work - it's blocked.

Kirk, has it always been blocked just because it's a java game, or has it specifically been outlawed since your Countdown fame, so as not to distract any kids who want to follow in your footsteps?

Kirk Bevins · Post by **Kirk Bevins** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:06 pm

Matt Morrison wrote:
Kirk Bevins wrote:I'm at school teaching and we can't get apterous to work - it's blocked.
Kirk, has it always been blocked just because it's a java game, or has it specifically been outlawed since your Countdown fame, so as not to distract any kids who want to follow in your footsteps?

Has always been blocked.

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:08 pm

Kirk Bevins wrote:
Matt Morrison wrote:
Kirk Bevins wrote:I'm at school teaching and we can't get apterous to work - it's blocked.
Kirk, has it always been blocked just because it's a java game, or has it specifically been outlawed since your Countdown fame, so as not to distract any kids who want to follow in your footsteps?
Has always been blocked.

You would have thought that Mr. IT would happily unblock it for you on a specific case basis to play in your lunchbreak. Unless the other staff don't trust you.