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by Fiona T
Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:27 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Which Is Your Favourite Joke?
Replies: 48
Views: 14983

Re: Which Is Your Favourite Joke?

I told my daughter she'd pencilled her eyebrows too high up.

She looked surprised.
by Fiona T
Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:03 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Politics in General
Replies: 1660
Views: 1872350

Re: Politics in General

Had this been a Tory the word “Conservative” would have been in the headline or in the first paragraph at the very least. I dare you to tell me the BBC aren’t biased. https://t.co/iKXdZC9gOb Methinks you're suffering a bit with confirmation bias https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics - none of the cur...
by Fiona T
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:05 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdown adjudication dictionary
Replies: 103
Views: 14380

Re: Countdown adjudication dictionary

James Cleverly wrote:Dear constituent
Hahahahahahah. Now fuck off.
Love, Your MP xxxx
by Fiona T
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:20 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdown adjudication dictionary
Replies: 103
Views: 14380

Re: Countdown adjudication dictionary

Yeah, I'm stupid. Best ignored :)
by Fiona T
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:00 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdown adjudication dictionary
Replies: 103
Views: 14380

Re: Countdown adjudication dictionary

Blimey pretty sure my MP would file my correspondence straight in his trash folder. Seriously though, dictionary detail is hardly the remit of an MP is it? Cycle lanes, loan charge suicides, bees being poisoned, yes, but comparatives of adjectives, not so much... Edit - realised this was probably a ...
by Fiona T
Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:15 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdown adjudication dictionary
Replies: 103
Views: 14380

Re: Countdown adjudication dictionary

Sorry for my bizarre take, but just to be clear re RUINATE: the first definition of ruinate 2 is an exact match as it appears in the OED: - Forms: 1500s rewynate, 1500s–1600s ruynate, 1500s– ruinate, 1600s ruinate (past participle), 1800s– ruinaayte (English regional (Berkshire)), 1800s– ruineyat (...
by Fiona T
Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:58 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdown adjudication dictionary
Replies: 103
Views: 14380

Re: Countdown adjudication dictionary

There’s no perfect solution. I wouldn’t go back to a paper dictionary - so much more convenient to search for words online now. CSW21 already contains its own bizarre content, plus extremely rare plurals of nouns which are commonly mass nouns, so that’s also a no from me. I can understand the reaso...
by Fiona T
Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:32 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Veganism Discussion
Replies: 117
Views: 12389

Re: Veganism Discussion

Marc Meakin wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:27 pm
Strange platform to discuss veganism
c4c?
by Fiona T
Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:30 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdown adjudication dictionary
Replies: 103
Views: 14380

Countdown adjudication dictionary

There have long been whinges and niggles, but this thread http://www.c4countdown.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=15774 would suggest that the online dictionary used by countdown is no longer fit for purpose (especially shocking since they charge for access!) Is it time to go back to the printed copy and penca...
by Fiona T
Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:19 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Jim Bentley, 1971-2022
Replies: 32
Views: 5024

Re: Jim Bentley, 1971-2022

The scale of the abuse (50,000 images) is deliberate and stomach-churning sickening, and can't be dismissed as an occasional lapse - it was sustained and deliberate. Of course the community needs to know if someone with this history is in their midst. However, if someone were to kill themselves as a...
by Fiona T
Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:56 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Getting back on for a second go
Replies: 103
Views: 24983

Re: Getting back on for a second go

Rhys Benjamin wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:31 am
And herein lies the problem with a case by case approach, it creates entitlement.
It doesn't at all. FTOAD I think it's very unlikely they would allow me back for a second crack - and if they did it would probably be so long that I'd be dead or doolally. Fun to hope though :)
by Fiona T
Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:43 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Thursday 2 February 2023 (Series 87, Heat 9)
Replies: 16
Views: 1942

Re: Spoilers for Thursday 2 February 2023 (Series 86, Heat 9)

Did Susie say beige was not an adjective? However, comparatives of colours are tricky because it is pretty well impossible to say what 'redder' and 'beiger' would actually look like. She did, and it’s true: beige is just a noun in Oxford Dictionaries Premium, unlike red which is a noun and adjectiv...
by Fiona T
Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:35 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Getting back on for a second go
Replies: 103
Views: 24983

Re: Getting back on for a second go

Wonder what the deal is for mediocre octochamps/QFs - would love another crack now I've improved, but suspect more than 10 years would be required. If I'm still alive and brain still works, I'll pencil in 2035 :) I think if you've qualified for QFs your hopes of going back on to a normal series are...
by Fiona T
Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:24 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Getting back on for a second go
Replies: 103
Views: 24983

Re: Getting back on for a second go

I don't think returning contestants are stopping new players - AIUI if a new player applies, they get an audition. If they pass that audition, they get to play.
by Fiona T
Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:35 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Getting back on for a second go
Replies: 103
Views: 24983

Re: Getting back on for a second go

Wonder what the deal is for mediocre octochamps/QFs - would love another crack now I've improved, but suspect more than 10 years would be required.

If I'm still alive and brain still works, I'll pencil in 2035 :)
by Fiona T
Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:22 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Wednesday 1 February 2023 (Series 87, Heat 8)
Replies: 6
Views: 775

Re: Spoilers for Wednesday 1 February 2023 (Series 87, Heat 8)

Mark Deeks wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:57 pm Harelip is offensive? I thought it was just the name for the thing.
Yeah, I know it was one (of many!) that surprised me when I saw the scrabble list of expurgated words. We live and learn.
by Fiona T
Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:31 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Wednesday 1 February 2023 (Series 87, Heat 8)
Replies: 6
Views: 775

Spoilers for Wednesday 1 February 2023 (Series 87, Heat 8)

HARELIP(S) is labelled as offensive - surprised Susie didn't notice/mention as she did check it. (It was recently removed from the scrabble lexicon - I had no idea before that - was a common enough term back in the dark ages of the 1980s!) Plenty of other 8s they could have asked Cillian to offer in...
by Fiona T
Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:47 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Jim Bentley, 1971-2022
Replies: 32
Views: 5024

Re: Jim Bentley, 1971-2022

FWIW, it was very very considered, and we/I attempted to contact Jim in advance so as to try and mitigate that risk. It was after finding out that every point of contact for him no longer worked that a deeper effort to find out his current circumstances was undertaken, leading to this. Thanks Mark
by Fiona T
Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:24 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Jim Bentley, 1971-2022
Replies: 32
Views: 5024

Re: Jim Bentley, 1971-2022

I'm sorry to hear this news. I am however relieved that it does not seem to be a consequence of his outing and resultant discussion on here - something we should consider if anything like this turns up in the future.

RIP Jim - hopefully people can remember you for the good things you contributed.
by Fiona T
Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:58 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: People you shouldn't trust
Replies: 921
Views: 501774

Re: People you shouldn't trust

Gavin Chipper wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:33 pm Seems weird. Poor behaviour from Strava.
Tried this again and it appears to have worked - did it on the desktop rather than the app, so maybe different behaviour, or maybe they fixed it!
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:40 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdowners in the news
Replies: 244
Views: 160195

Re: Countdowners in the news

The attraction isn't the crime. It's fucked up, but it's not the crime. The acting on it, that's the crime. Or downloading content, which is, also a crime, regardless of acting on it or not. I'm just being pedantic. ( note I did actually spell check this, there's always a first time) Downloading il...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:18 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

I mean personally speaking it's a problem I'd rather not have - but if he were to apply for my event, I'd have a chat with Callum of course, but my instinct would be to allow him if and only if no children were attending. I'm sorry but I can't agree with your instinct at all. Suppose we were to all...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:28 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

The other question, which I don't think has actually been explicitly addressed, is what would we do if e.g. Jim applied to enter anther CO-event? Because realistically, refusing him entry would be more about not wanting to play with / associate with him than an actual safeguarding issue. The same w...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:13 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdowners in the news
Replies: 244
Views: 160195

Re: Countdowners in the news

Interesting article here (albeit a few years old)

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... iles-cured
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:58 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: You Are The Ref
Replies: 355
Views: 180198

Re: You Are The Ref

Yeah I'm adopting the Jack Hurst Shuffle going forward. :)
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:50 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: You Are The Ref
Replies: 355
Views: 180198

Re: You Are The Ref

This happened on ZoomDown - at the time we did a second conundrum but just for player 1. In hindsight we should probably have given player 1 the points, but as they solved the new one no harm done! Should add it was definitely a case of over exuberance, not foul play, and became a classic ZoomDown m...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:41 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: You Are The Ref
Replies: 355
Views: 180198

Re: You Are The Ref

I doubt most people do it deliberately - they're getting carried away in the tension of the game. Perhaps a reminder from the event host at the beginning that you tap the table and offer the answer after the game host has asked you for it? But yep in this case, if the game host believes player 1 tap...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:34 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

Can you make online payments using fake ID, I have no idea? Going back to my idea of having a membership for Focal with a nominal annual fee to cover event costs and running potentially a data base giving every player a rating, based on average game score or games won against ranking like in Scrabb...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:29 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdowners in the news
Replies: 244
Views: 160195

Re: Countdowners in the news

A medical professional can refer to specialists - I guess medication to reduce libido or whatever might be appropriate. Suppressing your sexuality medically is a big ask, but probably better to most than an attraction to children (which if not suppressed could lead to a) abused children and b) long...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:24 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023
Replies: 22
Views: 9433

Re: Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023

I won't be able to make this one - it's the date of cricket fixtures I've already been double-booked for AND it's the date of the Eurovision Song Contest which I'm hoping to go to as well... Fiona, there is an opportunity to combine the event with a Eurovision watch party afterwards 😊. There must b...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:35 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdowners in the news
Replies: 244
Views: 160195

Re: Countdowners in the news

typed a long considered response to this then lost it in multiquote/preview hell... A medical professional can refer to specialists - I guess medication to reduce libido or whatever might be appropriate. Suppressing your sexuality medically is a big ask, but probably better to most than an attractio...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:19 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: CO:parkrun Recaps
Replies: 604
Views: 399849

Re: CO:parkrun Recaps

Adam Dexter wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:29 pm

Sorry I've been a dumbass. Lower is not better. Oops
aye, you won it!
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:59 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

Cut and paste from the other thread. As far as I can see he's not been on apto, or co-events, so in terms of our community a non-concern. Basically he's just a guy who lost (badly) on countdown. I appreciate the Willie Whitelaw argument here (cross that bridge...), but this surely goes some way for...
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:58 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdowners in the news
Replies: 244
Views: 160195

Re: Countdowners in the news

As far as I can see he's not been on apto, or co-events, so in terms of our community a non-concern. Basically he's just a guy who lost (badly) on countdown. A couple of points I picked up from the article "He [the judge] said he could not begin to imagine how Pooley had got any pleasure ‘from ...
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: CO:parkrun Recaps
Replies: 604
Views: 399849

Re: CO:parkrun Recaps

yep doing both in parallel sounds like a plan :) Nice one Maus!

Gavin - just set your spreadsheet up right :)
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:19 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: CO:parkrun Recaps
Replies: 604
Views: 399849

Re: CO:parkrun Recaps

Adam Dexter wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:53 pm Why would Chris and I swap? Mine is lower than his
You would swap because yours is lower than his :)
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:57 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: CO:parkrun Recaps
Replies: 604
Views: 399849

Re: CO:parkrun Recaps

If this was done by age grade, Fiona would move up from 9th to 2nd, David and Dan would swap places, as would Chris and Adam. Also Fiona would stop whinging that we should order it by age grade ;)
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:52 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023
Replies: 52
Views: 14292

Re: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023

Many thanks for a great weekend Ben!
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:35 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

Arguably, if the event organiser organises a meal/pub meal then that comes under the banner of 'the event'. But I agree that it's a pointless distinction - we're not talking arse-covering legal responsibilities, we're talking about the safety of event attendees. If something untoward happens in the ...
by Fiona T
Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:12 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

It would be very odd to require attendees to be DBS checked. I wouldn't have attended my first event if that had been a requirement, free or not
by Fiona T
Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:36 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

Marc Meakin wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:28 am Children accompanied by an adult equally makes an assumption that that adult is responsible
Well it puts the responsibility for the safety of the child with the accompanying adult/parents rather than the event organiser.
by Fiona T
Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:50 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Safeguarding at and around co-events

Just ban children from Co events for their own safety. DBR checks haven't stopped rogue policemen No that's bollocks. That's equivalent to "women staying home to not get attacked". The problem here isn't the children. I think insisting that u16s are accompanied by an adult might be sensib...
by Fiona T
Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:19 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Countdowners in the news

Q - is a paedophile (someone who is sexually attracted to children) who has committed no offence a danger to children - how would you know? Possibly, yes. And you wouldn't know. The problem I'm trying to address here is the case where someone with this type of conviction works their way into a posi...
by Fiona T
Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:46 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Safeguarding at and around co-events
Replies: 68
Views: 9597

Re: Countdowners in the news

I got my DBS check after London where they needed one if we had under 18s - thought it would save hassle in the future. Up till a conviction, a paedophile would get a clean DBS. You could argue that someone is less dangerous after a conviction and the ones we might need to worry about are the ones w...
by Fiona T
Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:26 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdowners in the news
Replies: 244
Views: 160195

Re: Countdowners in the news

It could literally be any of you now. Which is why the apterous/co:event safeguarding conversations and actions need to happen Spent some time with Jim back in the day at a few COLINs, and got no inkling of this whatsoever. Fuck's sake. I fear that sexual attraction to children is way way more comm...
by Fiona T
Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:43 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: You Are The Ref
Replies: 355
Views: 180198

Re: You Are The Ref

Hypothetical situation - You're entering tournament scores into atropine in a Lincoln style tournament The selection and declarations have been recorded on the score sheet. The R2 selection was FRIGLITES c1 declared girliest x c2 declared GRISTLE You notice that GIRLIEST had been incorrectly allowed...
by Fiona T
Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:32 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Veganism Discussion
Replies: 117
Views: 12389

Re: Veganism Discussion

I've seen lab grown meat talked about for a while. It's a matter of bringing the cost down so that's it's reasonable for people to actually buy. Hopefully mass production will bring the cost down. If it tastes as good as chicken then people will buy it I thought the joke was that everything tastes ...
by Fiona T
Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:25 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023
Replies: 52
Views: 14292

Re: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023

A lift would be amazing from either Adam or Fiona. I'm very excited for what will be my first ever parkrun! :D Going to make sure to go slow so I can improve at future events hehe I'm not staying at the Travelodge - I'm not too far away so happy to meet people there to head over, but was wondering ...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:07 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023
Replies: 52
Views: 14292

Re: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023

I assume you mean me. I'm happy with whatever's easiest, especially since I've now broken my never repeat a course streak lmao, so doddington is fine. But up to you lot I'm happy with either. Nice to do a new one, but Doddington Hall is a nice run so happy to do it again. Ran a good time last time ...
by Fiona T
Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:31 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023
Replies: 52
Views: 14292

Re: COLIN XVIII- Countdown in Lincoln, 28-29 January 2023

By the way, the Strava event page has us down as doing Doddington Hall parkrun. There is also Lincoln nearby, which I mention because some messaged me about possibly doing that one. I think Doddington Hall is the better course and also slightly nearer and easier to get to traffic-wise (it can be jo...
by Fiona T
Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:00 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Politics in General
Replies: 1660
Views: 1872350

Re: Politics in General

Also, the BBC's reporting of this Boris Johnson "had a guarantor on a loan" is such a non-story compared to the Zahawi affair which is way more serious - it just shows they had an agenda against Boris, and still do. Well, the main story is Zahawi. But if Boris is getting a guarantor on a ...
by Fiona T
Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:24 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Champion of champions seedings
Replies: 40
Views: 9537

Re: Champion of champions seedings

Given Gev drinks tap water, I'd take that deal!
by Fiona T
Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:57 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Friday 20 January 2023 - The 16th Championship of Champions Grand Final
Replies: 47
Views: 5583

Re: Spoilers for Friday 20 January 2023 - The 16th Championship of Champions Grand Final

The whole thing has been phenomenal. I genuinely feel quite emotional! Honoured to have been included, albeit on the periphery. Couldn't have asked for more from a final - what a nailbiter! Ahmed is such a deserved winner, and such a humble player and lovely and interesting man - so happy for his su...
by Fiona T
Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:58 am
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Thursday 19 January 2023 - CoC XVI, SF 2
Replies: 21
Views: 2725

Re: Spoilers for Thursday 19 January 2023 - CoC XVI, SF 2

It might sound crazy, but out of all my fourteen games on TV, despite losing this one, it's the one I'm most proud of, and the one where I left the studio happiest! I really was buzzing and on a big high when I left the studio! I couldn't ask for anything more. I played Countdown to the absolute pe...
by Fiona T
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:52 pm
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023
Replies: 22
Views: 9433

Re: Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023

**** IMPORTANT ****

When paying via paypal, please ensure you select the family and friends option. Paypal charge a massive fee otherwise which will impact our ability to put on a good event - I'd rather the money went on prizes and goodies than paypal's pockets!
by Fiona T
Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:06 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023
Replies: 22
Views: 9433

Re: Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023

Should be done before 6 (probably earlier - think we kicked off the final at about 5 last year)
by Fiona T
Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:08 am
Forum: Countdown - Events
Topic: Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023
Replies: 22
Views: 9433

Co:Brighton - 13 May 2023

Lesley and I are delighted to announce the return of Co:Brighton for 2023 When is it? 13 May 2023. Doors will open at 11:30, with the first round draw taking place shortly after. Please arrive by 11:45. Where is it? Lewes Road United Reformed Church, a 20 minute walk from Brighton station. Map Brigh...
by Fiona T
Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:57 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Monday 16 January 2023 - CoC XVI, QF 3
Replies: 46
Views: 5184

Re: Spoilers for Monday 16 January 2023 - CoC XVI, QF 3

"dougla Caribbean (chiefly Trinidad, Tobago, and Guyana). Sometimes (especially in early use) considered derogatory or offensive" Probably countdown need a way of dealing with words they don't want to broadcast that doesn't leave the viewer scratching their head - not sure how you'd do tha...
by Fiona T
Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Colin Murray’s future at Countdown
Replies: 34
Views: 5507

Re: Colin Murray’s future at Countdown

There is a huge iceberg coming down the road in this situation, which is when Damian stops producing it - they’d better have a successor in place, or else it’ll suffer the fate Doctor Who did in 1989, when it was only eventually cancelled because they couldn’t find someone to succeed John Nathan-Tu...