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- Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:01 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 4610
Re: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
She kept it mathematical anyway since she was all about the lowest common denominator. One of my favourites for the "Words Changing Meaning" thread. Unless of course you mean she managed to combine all the qualities of all the panellists, which I doubt. No. I did mean she was trying to ap...
- Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:43 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 4610
Re: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
She kept it mathematical anyway since she was all about the lowest common denominator.
- Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:26 am
- Forum: apterous.org
- Topic: Apterous Simulation Of An Entire Series
- Replies: 94
- Views: 13067
Re: Apterous Simulation Of An Entire Series
I'd be up for this but it'd be an organizational nightmare.
- Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:21 am
- Forum: apterous.org
- Topic: Apterous Masters (formerly COMA) 2010
- Replies: 249
- Views: 31557
Re: Apterous Masters (formerly COMA) 2010
Mr Reams 2 - 0 Mr Carson 126-98: Wasn't expecting much from this game, and my old friend the Eye of Apterous did nothing for my confidence by giving me an 8% chance of winning. Much to my surprise, I got off to a dream start as I nailed STONEWARE to lead 18-0, but of course 18 points is nothing aga...
- Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:53 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
- Replies: 37
- Views: 5253
Re: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
Christ, I thought you would have sobered up by now. I would have thought so too but there you go. Actually, I am in an inexplicably good mood so stop trying to piss on my buzz. PESTICIDE ROFL! You absolute [rude c word]! Ok I am going to my shit job now on an absolute downer - happy now?
- Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:29 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Smilie League Table
- Replies: 25
- Views: 2605
Re: Smilie League Table
I only thought I had a lot of free time.
- Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:27 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
- Replies: 37
- Views: 5253
Re: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
Jon Corby wrote:
Christ, I thought you would have sobered up by now.
I would have thought so too but there you go.
Actually, I am in an inexplicably good mood so stop trying to piss on my buzz.
- Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:05 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
- Replies: 37
- Views: 5253
Re: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
I thought Corby already prepared us for the excruciating beauty that is Anna Woodward - I guess such a comment will make any subsequent facebook interactions hideously contrived but she is rather beautiful... and has this competition sooooooooooooooo in the bag that it's over. <finger flick end off...
- Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:09 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
- Replies: 37
- Views: 5253
Re: Most Attractive Female Contestent of S62 So Far
I thought Corby already prepared us for the excruciating beauty that is Anna Woodward - I guess such a comment will make any subsequent facebook interactions hideously contrived but she is rather beautiful... and has this competition sooooooooooooooo in the bag that it's over. <finger flick end off>
- Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:27 pm
- Forum: apterous.org
- Topic: Apterous Masters (formerly COMA) 2010
- Replies: 249
- Views: 31557
Re: Apterous Masters (formerly COMA) 2010
Charlie Reams wrote:Updated and still questionable odds from the Eye of Apterous:
Bevins 8/11
Davies 2/1
Carson 14/1
Levell 60/1
Howe 500/1
Mubeen 1000/1
Everyone else: 10000/1 or longer
I'll have a tenner on Howe in that case.
- Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:52 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Current recaps
- Topic: Thursday 11th February 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 24)
- Replies: 45
- Views: 7134
Re: Thursday 11th February 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 24)
1 large is the safest option. 2 large generates the highest number of solvable problems. Irrelevant unless you're a computer. As already explained, the "safety" aspect is in minimising the chance that your opponent will beat you, not maximising the chance of ten points being attainable. Y...
- Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:50 am
- Forum: Countdown - Current recaps
- Topic: Thursday 11th February 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 24)
- Replies: 45
- Views: 7134
Re: Thursday 11th February 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 24)
2 large generates the highest number of solvable problems.Ian Dent wrote:1 large is the safest option.
- Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:49 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: What languages do you speak?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1985
Re: What languages do you speak?
Hence why You'll have the Tautological Police Of Tautologies on you... You're mellowing Charlie. I recall a similar slip (Martin Gardner) I think and you told him you'd be hitting him right now. What's going on? Is it age-related? Say it ain't so - I love watching you running people out of the foru...
- Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:21 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Tactics
- Replies: 20
- Views: 2216
Re: Tactics
Tetchy! I just mean you are one of the few who could actually pull if off so-to-speak.Kirk Bevins wrote:Piss off.David O'Donnell wrote:Seems like a ridiculously cocky strategy to me, is it Kirk's?
- Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:06 pm
- Forum: apterous.org
- Topic: Apterous Masters (formerly COMA) 2010
- Replies: 249
- Views: 31557
Re: Apterous Masters (formerly COMA) 2010
A rather disturbing image is plaguing my mind since reading this post.Junaid Mubeen wrote:Yes please. Paul Howe, I'm coming for you.
- Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:57 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Tactics
- Replies: 20
- Views: 2216
Re: Tactics
Seems like a ridiculously cocky strategy to me, is it Kirk's?
- Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:55 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: What are you having for dinner?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 4275
Re: What are you having for dinner?
Just had a carbonara which I wrecked slightly as I overcooked the eggs - was still edible.
- Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:10 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Events
- Topic: COLIN 2010 results & feedback
- Replies: 49
- Views: 8628
Re: COLIN 2010 results & feedback
Ben, it can't be said enough, brilliant event, really glad I came, and will keep coming :) Lesley, thanks for the fast but safe driving :) D'od, thanks for the shotgun seat in the return, and also the numerous drinks :) That's ok mate, your dancing gave me a hard-on. Edited for grammatical slip.
- Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:08 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Monday February 1st 2010
- Replies: 39
- Views: 4736
Re: Spoilers For Monday February 1st 2010
I had CENTIMOS in one round and would have offered CRABLOUSE^ in the SCOURABLE^ round.
Damn had given myself a score of 140 too!
Damn had given myself a score of 140 too!
- Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:32 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Events
- Topic: COLIN 2010 results & feedback
- Replies: 49
- Views: 8628
Re: COLIN 2010 results & feedback
I want to also add my thanks to Ben and his mum for some great organisation and plenty of coffee (so that I could stay up for my marathon sex session with Jim). It was nice to meet most of you and you can take that any way you like. I have to really really thank Leslie for not only driving me to and...
- Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:08 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
- Replies: 52
- Views: 5821
Re: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
Big ol' hairy ones: gaze upon them enshrouded in the green hue of envy.D Eadie wrote:bollocks
- Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:25 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
- Replies: 52
- Views: 5821
Re: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
David O'Donnell and David Williams, the two most negative particles in the universe, lock horns. But will they attract or repel? Stay tuned! Just shows. I didn't even think we were being negative or locking horns. But Gavin will be upset not to figure in this negativity hall of fame. ;) I think you...
- Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:01 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
- Replies: 52
- Views: 5821
Re: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
Whatever the outcome I shall be disappointed.Charlie Reams wrote:David O'Donnell and David Williams, the two most negative particles in the universe, lock horns. But will they attract or repel? Stay tuned!
- Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:54 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
- Replies: 52
- Views: 5821
Re: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
I don't read every word here, but if I've got this right, Chris and Kirk are to play in a special in a few weeks. And, as I understand it, neither of them is in full employment right now, so could doubtless do with a bit of cash. Personally I would value their contribution to this special a lot mor...
- Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:00 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
- Replies: 50
- Views: 4296
Re: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
Somebody has to.Josh Hurst wrote: and pleasuring my girlfriend.
- Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:24 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
- Replies: 50
- Views: 4296
Re: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
What a scandalous implication! The challenger was a good player - KEEMA was an impressive spot even though it wasn't the max.Jimmy Gough wrote:Are you related?David O'Donnell wrote:Nice stuff from Ollie - feel bad for the challenger though since he was quality.
- Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:05 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
- Replies: 50
- Views: 4296
Re: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
Nice stuff from Ollie - feel bad for the challenger though since he was quality.
- Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:04 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
- Replies: 50
- Views: 4296
Re: Spoilers For Thursday January 21st 2010
Dodgy tactics from the challenger, risking the agent noun when he should maintain the status quo. Though good tactics from Ollie when he spots DIATOM and sticks with consonants - a valuable 6 points.
- Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:17 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
- Replies: 52
- Views: 5821
Re: A LANDMARK PROGRAMME DUE?
I have to type that I actually like the horses or anything I can gamble on. I really enjoy watching Countdown but it's never had me jumping up and down on my sofa whipping myself on the ass with my belt ... well it did once but that was an exception.
- Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:06 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
- Replies: 25
- Views: 2863
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
2nd numbers, 1 away. 25 x 8 = 200, -10 = 190 190 x 4 = 760, + (8 / 2) = 764 possible? I used the same method, it's actually possible - spend a few hours and you'll eventually get it. You're seethrough DoD. If you hadn't said "spend a few hours" I might have believed you, but I don't even ...
- Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:00 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
- Replies: 25
- Views: 2863
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
TORULAE as an alternative.
- Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:58 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
- Replies: 25
- Views: 2863
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
I used the same method, it's actually possible - spend a few hours and you'll eventually get it.Matt Morrison wrote:2nd numbers, 1 away.
25 x 8 = 200, -10 = 190
190 x 4 = 760, + (8 / 2) = 764
possible?
- Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:55 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
- Replies: 25
- Views: 2863
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday January 20th 2010
I thought I'd beaten Oliver there too. NUCLEON was good too, was well beaten there.Ian Dent wrote:Wow nice spot. Sfumato.
- Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:08 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Events
- Topic: Countdown in Lincoln 2010- Saturday 30th January
- Replies: 204
- Views: 31160
Re: Countdown in Lincoln 2010- Saturday 30th Janua
I was just checking trains from Cardiff to Lincoln and the journey seems rather brutal. Just on the off-chance I was wondering whether I could meet one of you, who are driving, at one of the stops and share travel expenses. I am not an expert on UK geography but I am fairly sure the train route is n...
- Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:11 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Thursday January 14th 2010
- Replies: 36
- Views: 3026
Re: Spoilers For Thursday January 14th 2010
I have to agree, that was awesome.Kirk Bevins wrote:Best spot/word of the series so far. Brilliant!Marc Meakin wrote:ZETETIC Darren of the week
- Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:10 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday January 13th 2010
- Replies: 30
- Views: 2879
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday January 13th 2010
Lol!Chris Philpot wrote:Freakishly topical conundrum!!
Would have went for windfrost^ or frostwind^ myself but then I am fairly shit at conundrums.
Not a dig, Oliver! Well done again - bit more straightforward this time.
- Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:34 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Countdown on Big Brother
- Replies: 78
- Views: 11364
Re: Countdown on Big Brother
Charlie Reams wrote:If that's what they want they should get me as a guest.Martin Bishop wrote: We could have been treated to pre-ad break anecdotes about the size of Dwight Yorke's cock.
- Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:48 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Neither player written solution down
- Replies: 5
- Views: 1199
Re: Neither player written solution down
Yeah it happened in my QF against Ben Hanks.D Eadie wrote:This has always been the case, since year dot, we ask both to write it down then carry on.
- Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:22 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Chris Cummins on Only Connect
- Replies: 14
- Views: 1792
Re: Chris Cummins on Only Connect
Only Connect is brilliant, although I do have quite a soft spot for Victoria Coren, which helps. Likewise though it definitely isn't soft - bit of a turn on that she is actually a professional poker player too. Kinda sexy and dangerous like that niece of the MP that slit the throat of the French bl...
- Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:31 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: sproilers for 12 January 2010
- Replies: 32
- Views: 5424
Re: sproilers for 12 January 2010
Had ECOTONE too but I thought OPERCULA was there in one round too - may have imagined it though. Well done, Oliver!
- Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:04 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Current recaps
- Topic: Monday 11th January 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 1)
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1782
Re: Monday 11th January 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 1)
For today's teasers, the scramble for teaser two was deliberately part of the clue of teaser one. Was this a one-off, or is this going to be a regular occurrance? No - just a one-off, its impossible to do this for every clue, there aren't enough hours in the day. Lol, you lazy bastard. You could at...
- Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:44 am
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Northern Ireland Politics Sex Scandal
- Replies: 4
- Views: 705
Re: Northern Ireland Politics Sex Scandal
I heard that the Rt. Rev. William McCrea MP MLA was going to release a cover version.Andy Wilson wrote:There's a facebook group to try and get Mrs Robinson to no 1 in the charts for next week! Couple of thousand hits should suffice in Ireland!
- Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:49 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Sports / Maths Puzzle(s)...
- Replies: 205
- Views: 23496
Re: Sports / Maths Puzzle(s)...
Hey DOD Can't be a lock hand, as one of the conditions is that you are behind after the turn! You're ahead in your one-outer as well (although that it a sick, sick beat which would have me putting my fist through the screen), so that's not what I'm looking for. For part ii you're not trying to guar...
- Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:00 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Sports / Maths Puzzle(s)...
- Replies: 205
- Views: 23496
Re: Sports / Maths Puzzle(s)...
Nice one Matt - correct answer! Just part ii to go... I got the same percentage as the guys for part 1 but assume that the situation you're taking about has to be a one-outer or roughly 1/44. I knew I had a one-outer from play where a guy completely sucked out on me so here it is: me: Jh8d Villain:...
- Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:45 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Northern Ireland Politics Sex Scandal
- Replies: 4
- Views: 705
Northern Ireland Politics Sex Scandal
The wife of Northern Ireland's First Minister was outed in Spotlight as being romantically involved with a chap who is forty years her junior as well as being involved, and infinitely more troubling, with some financial irregularities. She had the fallout coming since she is a religious zealot who i...
- Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:00 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: DJ Chris Evans
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2400
Re: DJ Chris Evans
Well, the bafflingly popular Sir Michael Terence Wogan KBE should have more free time on his hands, now he is leaving his daily breakfast show to be replaced by Chris. With his loyal band of "TOGs" he could bring a sizeable audience of all ages with him. I see he has been on before in 199...
- Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:56 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Who is more awesome: Kai or Conor?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 3513
Re: Who is more awesome: Kai or Conor?
Youngest ever series champ in what was an extremely tough series (including Paul Howe, Jon Corby and Matt Shore) and now currently studying maths at some oxbridge uni ....
Sorry Kai (and this time it's not because I have been swearing like a sailor) my vote would be Conor.
Sorry Kai (and this time it's not because I have been swearing like a sailor) my vote would be Conor.
Re: Religion
Well, atheists are just those who oppose God in their hearts. That's why they are invariably troubled and feel the need to speak loudly about their (lack of) beliefs. Everyone knows God exists, because that is how they live, but some manage to pretend to themselves that they don't believe in God, b...
- Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:14 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Farewell to Phil Reynolds
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1145
Re: Farewell to Phil Reynolds
Hi, Damian! First off, just so you know I'm on good terms with everyone so please don't worry about anything. I am sure that's a load off his mind. Also, where did Phil go? Not far I bet, he probably does more business now as a lurker than he ever did as a ubiquitous forum poster (which is really s...
- Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:01 am
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Friday December 18th 2009 Grand Final
- Replies: 66
- Views: 11228
Re: Spoilers For Friday December 18th 2009 Grand F
Unlucky Andrew, well done Chris. Corby pointed out to me that we haven't really given Andrew sufficient praise for being the highest scoring octochamp of all time and I think he has a valid point so here's to ya Andrew! Also, you conducted yourself very well, never really taking it all too seriously...
- Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:47 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Thursday December 17th 2009
- Replies: 118
- Views: 12598
Re: Spoilers For Thursday December 17th 2009
Just want to say lads (if you're reading) for drama that was one of the best contests I have ever watched: you didn't disappoint and lived up to the hype. I was gutted for Innis (I had him as favourite) and I think that nerves had a part to play in the last numbers. Anyway, hats off to Chris - you h...
- Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:08 pm
- Forum: apterous.org
- Topic: Bug reports
- Replies: 2157
- Views: 519476
Re: Bug reports
My system keeps crashing during the number rounds for some odd reason - probably my computer but I thought I'd have a bitchy little moan here anyway because you love it you tart.
- Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:41 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Why are so many people leaving the forum lately?
- Replies: 68
- Views: 10348
Re: Why are so many people leaving the forum lately?
The last prominent person to leave the forum was SE. The rest are hardly more than n00bs and I for one couldn't give a fuck if somebody decides to take the huff because they got insulted on an Internet forum -- FFS get a grip!
- Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:17 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: What are all done pass time whileApterous is down?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1625
Re: What are all done pass time whileApterous is d
Yeah, I dig him. Asturias is probably his most famous piece and it sounds dead flash when you bang it out on your guitar.Richard Brittain wrote:Dave, I was just listening to 'Asturias' by Isaac Albeniz. I understand you're a fan of his.
- Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:52 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: What are all done pass time whileApterous is down?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1625
Re: What are all done pass time whileApterous is down?
He has taken this post from about a year ago which meant that he has been combing the archives of this forum which is kinda lol but more lol@u than with you. Oh. He also set up a thread "as requested" for like the millionth time even though nobody requested it and nobody particularly want...
- Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:49 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Who Do You Think Will Win Series 61?
- Replies: 33
- Views: 5610
Re: Who Do You Think Will Win Series 61?
I went for Innis based on how I played against the three favourites on TV performances alone (from my rather more comfortable position) . Online I think Chris has a slight edge over Innis but you wouldn't ever take him for granted (as my huge negative score against him attests). As for Andrew, he la...
- Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:41 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Largest non-max
- Replies: 24
- Views: 4464
Re: Largest non-max
I suppose I'll also dump this here (my absolute favourite is HNEYPOTS* - who would've thought that collection of letters would give a 9 with AEIO? They are PANTYHOSE, NEOPHYTES, HYPNOTISE and of course HONEYPOTS). That is cool. DO'D was advertising one like this in the green room at CoC, can anyone...
- Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:25 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: What are all done pass time whileApterous is down?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1625
Re: What are all done pass time whileApterous is down?
He has taken this post from about a year ago which meant that he has been combing the archives of this forum which is kinda lol but more lol@u than with you.Kirk Bevins wrote:Who deleted DOD's post?
- Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:09 am
- Forum: Countdown - Current recaps
- Topic: Monday 7th December 2009 (Series 61, Prelim 101)
- Replies: 21
- Views: 2250
Re: Monday 7th December 2009 (Series 61, Prelim 10
I suppose they would have had to accept trifectas as an alternative for the conundrum?
This discussion probably took place in the spoiler thread but I am avoiding spoilers since am so behind on the show.
This discussion probably took place in the spoiler thread but I am avoiding spoilers since am so behind on the show.
- Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:54 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Who would you like to see attacked next?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 3213
Re: Who would you like to see attacked next?
With Phil and Sue both unhappy at their treatment on the forum and taking a step back, this has left us desperately short of whipping boys. Who should be next? Nominate here, and I'll make a poll. You can include a reason for nomination if you like, but to be honest who needs a reason? Personally I...